Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Machinehead]

Yes, Hertl had a full NMC at the time.

Just because something hasn't happened before, or hasn't happened frequently, doesn't mean it can't happen. All Mika has to do is express a desire to play elsewhere and the NMC becomes less of an issue.

Hertl's decision to waive his NMC, or Sundin's decision not to when the Leafs tried to trade him, have absolutely nothing to do with Mika's decision. The purpose of the NMC is to give the player full control of where he plays. If he wants to leave, he will. It's really that simple.

Hertl waived his NMC because the Sharks were pretty open about being an AHL team for a few years. I recall the Leafs being pretty bad as well.

The Rangers just won't be that bad. I don't see it on paper.

If we want to go this route, we have to give Zibanejad a reason to be unhappy. He expressed concerns about his ice time this year. I would put real pressure on that if I were in charge. Not some half-assed 1:15 reduction. Let him play legit third line minutes and watch a couple of games when he really sucks.

Lose him on the bench now and then like Gallant used to lose Kakko.

 

[McRanger92]

Trouba needs to be off this team. Holding the Rangers hostage because he wont be happy away from NY. Give me a break. Newsflash picasso, your play has been shite for years. Larry suggested Stammer for Trouba. Trotz seems like the old school type to love a trade like that. No state income tax in Tennessee. Maybe Trouba will be happy if he gets a pay bump before Christmas?

 

[Machinehead]

Trouba needs to be off this team. Holding the Rangers hostage because he wont be happy away from NY. Give me a break. Newsflash picasso, your play has been shite for years. Larry suggested Stammer for Trouba. Trotz seems like the old school type to love a trade like that. No state income tax in Tennessee. Maybe Trouba will be happy if he gets a pay bump before Christmas?

At this point, we would have his list, no?

 

[McRanger92]

At this point, we would have his list, no?

Correct. The only reason Trouba continues to be here is Drury's mercy/cowardice.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Drury could make it happen, a ‘trade’ of Kreider, Trouba, Lindgren and Smith for assets followed by the signing of someone like Bennett would look pretty good, depending on the returns.

How much do we think he gets as a UFA? $6m?

 

[Machinehead]

Correct. The only reason Trouba continues to be here is Drury's mercy/cowardice.

I think it gets done eventually. This is the second time his name came up.

Waiting until the deadline where the dreamers start overpaying for grit probably isn't the worst idea in terms of maximizing value.

 

[McRanger92]

If Drury could make it happen, a ‘trade’ of Kreider, Trouba, Lindgren and Smith for assets followed by the signing of someone like Bennett would look pretty good, depending on the returns.

How much do we think he gets as a UFA? $6m?

Id rather hold Kreider tbh. He's one of the guys who I think really cares and wants to be here. His contract also isnt a problem.

Trouba, Lindgren, Smith, Miller, Kakko and honestly Igor are guys I would not mind being used to add players that fit more with Drury's vision for the team.

 

[Machinehead]

Unrelated: if this league ever wanted to be fun (LMAO!!) move the trade deadline to after the first round.

Have the last eight teams just get into a nuke war with no salary cap.

 

[McRanger92]

I think it gets done eventually. This is the second time his name came up.

Waiting until the deadline where the dreamers start overpaying for grit probably isn't the worst idea in terms of maximizing value.

If you wait until the deadline you run the risk of the season slipping away. I dont think Drury and Laviolette can afford that. They need to do something. It will probably be calling up Mancini and Rempe before this 4 game stretch against beatable teams tomorrow. Bandaid on a bullet wound. Drury is showing the same hesitance he did in the Eichel trade negotiations and not even trying for Matt Tkachuk.

 

[Machinehead]

If you wait until the deadline you run the risk of the season slipping away. I dont think Drury and Laviolette can afford that. They need to do something. It will probably be calling up Mancini and Rempe before this 4 game stretch against beatable teams tomorrow. Bandaid on a bullet wound. Drury is showing the same hesitance he did in the Eichel trade negotiations and not even trying for Matt Tkachuk.

I will say, going after a star player is quite different from getting rid of a bad one, but you're not wrong. I would like for our front office to be more creative.

Florida made the jump on a blockbuster trade. Vegas doesn't give one single f*** and pretty openly cheats. They both got Cups out of it.

 

[McRanger92]

I will say, going after a star player is quite different from getting rid of a bad one, not you're not wrong. I would like for our front office to be more creative.

Florida made the jump on a blockbuster trade. Vegas doesn't give one single f*** and pretty openly cheats. They both got Cups out of it.

Those teams have leaders who will do anything to win. The Rangers captain is openly apathetic and just punching the clock, and their star goalie wants to reset the market based on the idea that all his teammates are sad sacks.

Fans, players, GM, coaches, and the entire league know the Rangers aren't winning the Cup. Every day they do nothing is just delaying the inevitable if they ever want to actually compete again.

 

[Machinehead]

Those teams have leaders who will do anything to win. The Rangers captain is openly apathetic and just punching the clock, and their star goalie wants to reset the market based on the idea that all his teammates are sad sacks.

Fans, players, GM, coaches, and the entire league know the Rangers aren't winning the Cup. Every day they do nothing is just delaying the inevitable if they ever want to actually compete again.

"Reset the market."

My brother in Christ, your career save percentage is like .912 if you take out that one year.

 

[McRanger92]

"Reset the market."

My brother in Christ, your career save percentage is like .912 if you take out that one year.

The national audience sees Igor 15 times a year and think he's a living god, but anyone who watches him nightly knows he is nowhere near Henrik (who in his own right was perpetually disrespected during his career)

 

[Machinehead]

The national audience sees Igor 15 times a year and think he's a living god, but anyone who watches him nightly knows he is nowhere near Henrik (who in his own right was perpetually disrespected during his career)

The goalie market oughta be reset in the other direction, but if they didn't get it after Pittsburgh won TWO Cups with a homeless man they found outside the arena, they never will.

 

[McRanger92]

The goalie market oughta be reset in the other direction, but if they didn't get it after Pittsburgh won TWO Cups with a homeless man they found outside the arena, they never will.

Igor for Rantanen and Fourgiev, just for the laughs. Stranger duos than Old Man Quick and Alexandar have won Cups in the past.

 

[Machinehead]

Igor for Rantanen and Fourgiev, just for the laughs. Stranger duos than Old Man Quick and Alexandar have won Cups in the past.

Yeah, like garbo ass Binnington and whatever poor bastard was bad enough to be Binnington's backup.

 

[TominNC]

Or you could just look up examples for yourself.... yes Hertl had a full NMC.

I'm not the one posting that "they should just trade Mika". I don't think it happens often with a full NMC

 

[bernmeister]

Hertl waived his NMC because the Sharks were pretty open about being an AHL team for a few years. I recall the Leafs being pretty bad as well.

The Rangers just won't be that bad. I don't see it on paper.

If we want to go this route, we have to give Zibanejad a reason to be unhappy. He expressed concerns about his ice time this year. I would put real pressure on that if I were in charge. Not some half-assed 1:15 reduction. Let him play legit third line minutes and watch a couple of games when he really sucks.

Lose him on the bench now and then like Gallant used to lose Kakko.

only not giving a like and mild dissent is b'c here you are too generous my friend

up to me, zib would be at 4th line [not 3rd] and maybe not even C, maybe RW
and that is when he would be let off the leash to play

hey we gotta pay you, we don't have to play you
you don't like it,
waive

 

[Machinehead]

only not giving a like and mild dissent is b'c here you are too generous my friend

up to me, zib would be at 4th line [not 3rd] and maybe not even C, maybe RW
and that is when he would be let off the leash to play

hey we gotta pay you, we don't have to play you
you don't like it,
waive

Ok, bern. We're not playing Sam Carrick over Mika Zibanejad.

 

[TominNC]

Hertl waived his NMC because the Sharks were pretty open about being an AHL team for a few years. I recall the Leafs being pretty bad as well.

The Rangers just won't be that bad. I don't see it on paper.

If we want to go this route, we have to give Zibanejad a reason to be unhappy. He expressed concerns about his ice time this year. I would put real pressure on that if I were in charge. Not some half-assed 1:15 reduction. Let him play legit third line minutes and watch a couple of games when he really sucks.

Lose him on the bench now and then like Gallant used to lose Kakko.

Last place to a playoff team. OK I can see the Hertl waive. Also San Jose to Vegas. Now someone explain Mika waiving.

 

[Savant]

Trouba needs to be off this team. Holding the Rangers hostage because he wont be happy away from NY. Give me a break. Newsflash picasso, your play has been shite for years. Larry suggested Stammer for Trouba. Trotz seems like the old school type to love a trade like that. No state income tax in Tennessee. Maybe Trouba will be happy if he gets a pay bump before Christmas?

If we are trying to take one of the buyer’s remorse contracts off Nashville, they should be going for Skjei

If Drury could make it happen, a ‘trade’ of Kreider, Trouba, Lindgren and Smith for assets followed by the signing of someone like Bennett would look pretty good, depending on the returns.

How much do we think he gets as a UFA? $6m?

If they are moving those guys out there’s no reason they should be doing anything but dumping cap.

If they want to do another half measure retool (barf) there’s no way they should give Drury the keys to do so

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we are trying to take one of the buyer’s remorse contracts off Nashville, they should be going for Skjei


If they are moving those guys out there’s no reason they should be doing anything but dumping cap.

If they want to do another half measure retool (barf) there’s no way they should give Drury the keys to do so

I'd be pretty pissed if they just dumped Kreider for cap.

He has actual value. The other 3? Not so much (though Trouba probably has some.)

 

[Savant]

I'd be pretty pissed if they just dumped Kreider for cap.

He has actual value. The other 3? Not so much (though Trouba probably has some.)

I mean they move out Kreider and they can keep Kakko and Jones and have whatever futures they get for him. It doesn’t make sense to move Kreider in a hockey trade because you are probably just getting a worse version of Kreider

They need to not double and triple down chasing this like the NY Jets did to try and make the Rodgers thing work when it was clearly never going to work/is not working. This is also clearly not working

 

[mike14]

Yeah, like garbo ass Binnington and whatever poor bastard was bad enough to be Binnington's backup.

Pretty sure it was Jake Allen, who lost his starting spot to Binnington...

 

[DanielBrassard]

Trouba needs to be off this team. Holding the Rangers hostage because he wont be happy away from NY. Give me a break. Newsflash picasso, your play has been shite for years. Larry suggested Stammer for Trouba. Trotz seems like the old school type to love a trade like that. No state income tax in Tennessee. Maybe Trouba will be happy if he gets a pay bump before Christmas?

I’d rather just let Trouba run out the clock on his contract than take back Stamkos. Only way I’d do that is if Nashville took zibanejads contract.