Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[leetch99]

Yeah, I think that element of the game is there once we move onto a younger group.

This team needs some f***ing talent.

We can't complete consecutive passes and we're still worrying about who will start scrums.

Gotta build the cart before you hitch the horses...

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Flabbergasted

Why does it not feel like that left side is anywhere close to correct?

 

[haohmaru]

Well, we have a Dolan problem then.

Absofreakinglutely.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Why does it not feel like that left side is anywhere close to correct?

The right side is damning and easily believable, the left side just throws me completely for a loop.

 

[haohmaru]

Flabbergasted

Is this a typo? WTF?

 

[Siddi]

Flabbergasted

So we are...good?

New defensive coach and we good to go?

 

[zlev]

gotta think the offensive numbers are severely skewed by the first 6 games where it looked like they could score 10 every night. i'd like to see what those numbers look like starting with the Florida game.

 

[will1066]

Didn't he just coin him the King of One Timers? Why can't we get this Ray on ESPN?

Steve Levy came up with the term. Ray's just an idiot.

 

[jay from jersey]

Honestly, looking at body language all over the ice, they just look like they don’t think they have to work hard, and they don’t think they SHOULD have to work hard. They look like a group that thinks they “belong” in the ECF and the regular season is some slog they want to fast forward through - but it doesn’t work that way and the reason the Cup is the hardest trophy to win is because you do have to slog through the regular season and battle through the playoffs. This team has no battle in their DNA. Mika looks like it’s such a disappointing shocker when he fans on a one-timer or hits the outside of the net. Like it was “supposed to” just go in like it used to. Fox looks bored and irritated when he has to actually skate back to retrieve a puck. They look as if they believe they’re entitled to success because they’ve been close a few times.

Meanwhile, for better or worse, they committed to Shesterkin for 8 years. He’s almost 29. Goalies typically start a bit later and last a bit longer. This is the new window. The next 4-5 years. Anyone older than Shesterkin should be gone. Start over. New window around your new franchise player. You chose to make him the franchise player, now build around him. Don’t try to shoehorn the guys from the old window - Mika, Bread, Kreider, etc. into the new window. Cut bait and make the goal being as competitive as possible in years 2-6 of Igor’s extension. It was Breae, Kreider and Zib’s team. For better or worse, it’s Shesterkin/Fox/Laf’s team now. If they think they’re going to keep running it back with this core, there is - quite literally - no reason to keep watching. It’s time for a new core.

I’d keep Trochek… you need a few vets and his play and his leadership off the ice have both been more than I expected…. Plus if we somehow move Zibby, the 1-2 center are Tro and an unreliable chytil…..
Commuting the years and $$ to shesty prob wasn’t the ideal situation, but for how good he his and what we have in the system, no real other alternatives….
There are good teams that scramble for years to find a reliable steady goalie.
Shesty has proved he can play well in NY and in playoffs, so I can’t say I’m too torn up about it. Plus he didn’t have a heavy workload at a super young age.
The mileage on his body shouldn’t be crazy…..
I’d wager he’s a top 3-5 goalie in the league for at least another 4-5 seasons. May see at decline at that point imo. I want guys that are high energy and abrasive like you do too. Injecting cheap youth is key.
I’d let Panarin walk tbh, unless he really loves it here and takes a team friendly 2 year deal or something low years and doesn’t break the bank.
Uber talented, but playoffs are a different animal.
The physicality and compete level doesn’t let him play like he does in the reg season.
The high risk plays and fancy passes really get highlighted while he’s in the playoffs. Yes he’ll put up some points, but largely he’ll be a non-factor.

You can sum up Panarins playoff play exactly in how that last FLA game went….
Largely invisible all game.. when team needs a momentum shifting goal or pass at a key time in the game, it’s not there… then he loses to 1 v 1 puck battles because he’s scared/unwilling to make play needed and pay the price physically.
Then after he’s largely embarrassed, he’ll score a useless goal on an amazing laser shot after he’s actually mad enough to not avoid a bit of body contact…..
Great, he got his point on the stat sheet, but not when they needed him to…. And fans will defend and say he’s not part of the problem and point to the stat sheet that he got a goal/assist that was largely useless at that stage in a tight physical game….
You all know the 10 minute sequence I’m talking about. It’s burned into our memories forever.
Gimme a Brady TKachuk over that 10 outta 10 times.
I’d rather have a 80-90 PT BT then 110 pt Panarin tbh.
He’ll likely never ever have a 110-120 pt season, and may top out around PPG, but the influence and the way he affects the entire game as a whole as well as the emotion from crowd/teammates with a hit, fight, scrum, goal, etc is invaluable stuff: it goes a long way……
Panarin only has that influence on a sweet pass or goal. Nothing else
When you see Laf go end to end, thru his legs down dead center and rip a writer top corner it’s beautiful…
Panarin has that talent, but not that will or moxy or balls whatever you’re preferred vernacular.
So let Panarin walk, trade Mika, trade kreider( this one hurts a bit), and Lindgren…
Smith is a goner….
I’d move chytil as well, some rather keep him in the mix….
Use that cap and sign our young guys. Laffy and Cuylle to long term good deals.
Give Kakko a longer deal and top 6 minutes or move on. He’s going to want a larger role. If not with NYR, he’ll likely want out.
Bring up Othmann, hopefully Perrault can make the jump without going to the A 1st. If he stumbles as a rookie, you can always send him back down.
Keep Berard up. Let him get NHL minutes and experience this year.
He’s a keeper. That hustle is contagious when the team is firing on all cylinders..
Same with Edstrom.
Next season, Laf and Cuylle should have more minutes and larger roles and responsibility. Laffy should be a staple on 1PP most of the rest of this season and start on it next.
If Kreider dealt, Cuylle should too imo…. A lot of fans are selling him short. He has a Really deceptive wrist shot that beats goalies clean along with everything else he does…. I think he’s a top 6 30 goal 60+ point PF depending on time/linemates/special teams play, over the next 3 or so years.
Use that cap from trades to beef up C depth with good young hungry players. Hopefully with size.
Get a bonafide top 2-3 in UFA or trade to partner with Fox
Sign 2-3 vets on good deals that aren’t boat anchors that can move around the line up if/when needed.
Be hungry/fast/versatile and grow a sack. Don’t be so easy to score on and defend against…. This country club attitude along with the Trouba cause-celebra that started in the summer and dragged into the season has really got me pissed this year…
Chmelar is my sleeper…. I hope he gets a 4-5 game look at some point this year and never goes down again. 6’5 with good wheels that does the little things and chips in on the offensive side too.
Laba is intriguing as well.
Honestly, I hope to see a similar roster to this next year,

Cuylle/kreider-Trochek-Laffy
Cuylle/kreids-Fil/UFA/Trade-kakko/Oth
Othmann/Kakko-Fil/UFA/Trade-perrault
Edstrom-Carrick-Berard

I expect/hope for chmelar to be in the mix for a bottom 6 wing spot next year.
If 1 or More of the above is traded for upgrade, fill in accordingly….

The above roster might not be as crazy name wise with talent, but is has skill and balls and is very very versatile…
Can move a lot of guys left/right on the wings and all around top 9….
I’m a big henrik Zetterlund fan. I’ve wanted this team to try and trade for him for a while now…
He’s in the age range of this next core, his next contact won’t be insane, though not a giant man, plays a larger man’s game. Hes like a bowling ball of non-stop hustle. Has enough skill to be a 20-25 goal scorer potentially more….
Maybe a young C like Shane Pinto???
Or 1 of the many talented Dallas young centers they seem to pull out of the sky on a co stint basis?
All are good smart young options and rangers have ammo to get them.

 

[I Eat Crow]

So we are...good?

New defensive coach and we good to go?

Have said it since last year that this defense needs to be overhauled. Adding Jones and punting Trouba is a great start. Get Lindgren out of here and we're passable.

 

[will1066]

While we are in 1982, Remember Toxic Shock Syndrome?

Mika?

The 80s was a fun decade.

 

[Cusedog]

This season so far is eerily beginning to remind me of the David Quinn era where the veterans are now refusing to buy into the system while the young players are too slow in developing/improving even with more ice time . Unfortunately, I don't think Lavi has this locker room.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

If the rangers are #1 in the league in xGf 5 on 5, they also must be #1 in goals below expected 5 on 5 no?

 

[Siddi]

If the rangers are #1 in the league in xGf 5 on 5, they also must be #1 in goals below expected 5 on 5 no?

This is all so confusing man.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[Fitzy]

So we are...good?

New defensive coach and we good to go?

You shouldn’t just let one statistic tell you what to think about any given team or player

 

[Siddi]

Is this a typo? WTF?

 

[noupf]

It's f***ing not lmao. Matthew is the better player, end of f***ing story. Not particularly close either.

Don't get me wrong, I would probably like Brady on this team. But he's not Matthew.

He's also 2 years younger, so sure, he's not as good as his older brother who's been playing in the league two years longer. Lets see where BT is at in two years. My guess, very close to MT's numbers using the same time frame.

 

[leetch99]

God, I would’ve loved the 80s. Probably be dead, but it would’ve been a ride

LOL....the 80's were a great time to be alive . I was 18 ....and I made the most of it ! It sure goes by fast . For those of you in here at that 18-30 age....enjoy yourselves while you can without doing stupid stuff . Don't get all down over a hockey team....the bad times will pass.

 

[Siddi]

You shouldn’t just let one statistic tell you what to think about any given team or player

Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You shouldn’t just let one statistic tell you what to think about any given team or player

Agree that said, I think it’s pretty interesting considering it flies in the face of what most people on this site(including myself) post about a lot. There’s a ton of talk about how the rangers don’t generate enough 5 on 5. This is directly contradictory to that notion.

 

[bleedblue94]

2 Wins in the last 10 games. Team is completely flat. Like driving on blown-out tires. I just don't see how calling him up for a game or two hurts them.

If Drury can't move players out on deals now, then use what you have. Good to see Berard get a chance, but i don't see the harm in bringing up the kid.

Didn't say it would hurt the team, said that the management didn't want a young kid to have to be the one to bring the life to the team.The whole point here is that I put it on a kid's feet to be the one to get your team's on court and the rest of the roster energized? They should be able to do that themselves as professionals

 

[jay from jersey]

While the others get to the dirty areas, Panarin does more for that line than they do for Panarin.

The line works as a whole….
2 /3 rule

Can’t have a passenger on 1 side or in the middle… both laffy and tro do the things Panarins game is missing. They pay the price to make plays along the boards/down low/etc. the places where panarin doesn’t like going… his vision and talent certainly are a huge part of the success they’ve had together……
The combo actually creates a lot of open ice for their linemates… it’s just works and has since they were set as a line together….
Laffy and Tro aren’t battling down low along the boards/ in front of the net for loose pucks and shouldering large majority/all of the physical load Panarin gets less time and space to thread the needle on his passes or get off a stutter step wrist shot from up high near the blue line to score… they both also create a lot of traffic/screens in front of opposing goalies and work to get themselves in good scoring positions cause they know Panarin can get it on their stick from some crazy angles where it l looks impossible.
If Zibby is destined to be here, I want 2 guys on either wing that largely do what Laf/Tro do for that line….
give me a cuylle-Zibby-Berard/kakko/othmann or a Zetterlund type guy in a trade

 

[bernmeister]

Why exactly is is stupid? Are you watching the games? Country Club Kreider is checked out. Guy does absolutely nothing and the rest of the team takes after his lazy attitude.

It IS stupid to trade CK b'c while almost everybody is down in varying degrees, Kreider is less so than t=he others. He is trying and the vortex that is zib is pulling him down. That is evident by the 9 or 10 or whatev Gs he has and so few assists.

Chris is on a good short term deal.
We can go 1 yr at a time, likely on a slightly decreasing cap hit going forward.
Father time catches up to everyone, but CK has another 5 or so yrs
pushing him out the door is misguided

Yes, if you get a ridiculous offer that is too much to turn down, that's dif.
But going on what one expects, no it is not worth it.
We should focus energy/resources on moving the actual deadwood

And we have fallback position to reassess new roster post deadwood and see both where we are and what his market as a rental looks like.

Finally, fug the living sheeiite out of Zib, I don't want him accommodated by kicking CK off the team to get him to waive.

I want his ass to see Rs did this MY way, not his, he sits until he waives, he does not displace Kreider or anyone else.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It IS stupid to trade CK b'c while almost everybody is down in varying degrees, Kreider is less so than t=he others. He is trying and the vortex that is zib is pulling him down. That is evident by the 9 or 10 or whatev Gs he has and so few assists.

Chris is on a good short term deal.
We can go 1 yr at a time, likely on a slightly decreasing cap hit going forward.
Father time catches up to everyone, but CK has another 5 or so yrs
pushing him out the door is misguided

Yes, if you get a ridiculous offer that is too much to turn down, that's dif.
But going on what one expects, no it is not worth it.
We should focus energy/resources on moving the actual deadwood

And we have fallback position to reassess new roster post deadwood and see both where we are and what his market as a rental looks like.

Finally, fug the living sheeiite out of Zib, I don't want him accommodated by kicking CK off the team to get him to waive.

I want his ass to see Rs did this MY way, not his, he sits until he waives, he does not displace Kreider or anyone else.

He’s trying? At what? He has been complete ass for a full month. He barely throws a hit a game. Zero emotion at all. For a team looking for a leader he hasnt shown up in the slightest.