Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XI: We can read between the lines

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Who we'd rather have is a non-issue at this point, because Smith and Shattenkirk already got the dollars. The ship has sailed.

Goes back to my point that it's super confusing that Gorton was throwing money around in July and is trading his #1 defenseman in January.

I'm completely on board with what you're saying but at the same time, JG didn't think about this before throwing money at these 2 dimwits?
Much like getting rid of our 2 top line centers without adequate replacements.
I really hope JG proves me wrong but I just feel it in my gut...This is going to be quite a shit show..
 
At least a second round pick.

The Blues are definitely trying to drum up interest in a guy like Kyrou as a trade chip for any moves they make. Not that I see them moving him for Nash or Grabner, but they definitely intend to be aggressive if they can.
Gotta get more than that no Edge. Especially for Nash if we retain. What if we trade them both together?
 
Its so extremely backwards to be — loyal — to Shatty over someone like Zucc... This team have one Cup in 75 years, that type of thinking is a very good reason for it. Shatty is paid 6.9m per, it’s basically what he is worth. We are loyal to someone taking money instead of having left it all on the ice for us year in and year out...

Compare the depth we have at wing to our depth for Shattys role with DeAngelo and Pionk. DeAngelo need to get PP time to develop, he is a young kid who is cheap. Exactly what we are looking for. He also have little read value being on so many teams. We waste him, and probably Pionk too, if we keep Shatty.

Shatty isn’t getting better, it’s downhill from here. Close to 30, not that fast feets. We are selling of trying to get younger. Shatty has zero history on this team. Why shouldn’t Shatty be the — first — player we start to auction around the league after the draft? His value is at the lowest now, sure wait and see how he looks next year on a team without McD, Nash an Zucc...

What does loyalty have yo do with the price of tea in China?

If the NYR GM makes the moves that are rumored to be in the works, who gives a rats ass what this team looks like next year of the year after?

The scenario that I hope plays out gets this team back in the P.O. picture in 3 years and a lot better than what we are right now
 
Trading McDonagh to try and find one of the 10-12 better defenseman than him through the draft is still ****ty asset management.

We're opening up a hole we have no plan to fill.

Holding onto McDonagh for too long and then paying him for the back 9 of his career (or letting him walk for nothing) when this team is in no position to contend is the definition of shitty asset management.

Who ever they get back/pick doesn't even have to be as good as he is right now.
 
Who we'd rather have is a non-issue at this point, because Smith and Shattenkirk already got the dollars. The ship has sailed.

Goes back to my point that it's super confusing that Gorton was throwing money around in July and is trading his #1 defenseman in January.

You still need players. Shattenkirk signed for 2nd pairing money. There’s nothing confusing about that.

By the way, I keep seeing $7.5m to resign McDonagh. Pipe dream. He’s going to command closer to $9m.
 
I'm completely on board with what you're saying but at the same time, JG didn't think about this before throwing money at these 2 dimwits?
Much like getting rid of our 2 top line centers without adequate replacements.
I really hope JG proves me wrong but I just feel it in my gut...This is going to be quite a **** show..

Gorton thought he had all the problems solved and was building another contender, not realizing that the problem is behind the bench.

If he had gotten rid of AV, I'd gladly give him a mulligan on that. But AV still here and he's further gutting the roster.

That's scary and doesn't give me any faith in Gorton.
 
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Holding onto McDonagh for too long and then paying him for the back 9 of his career (or letting him walk for nothing) when this team is in no position to contend is the definition of ****ty asset management.

Who ever they get back/pick doesn't even have to be as good as he is right now.

And when exactly are they going to be in position to contend again with no #1 defenseman and no #1 center?

When will they find those pieces? Hey, who the f*** knows but at least we'll have cap space!
 
Trading McDonagh to try and find one of the 10-12 better defenseman than him through the draft is still ****ty asset management.

We're opening up a hole we have no plan to fill.
Yo don’t know what we will be getting back. You don’t know who we draft with our picks. Shoot I like McD but he is declining steadily and due a big contract with maybe 4 more good years and a lot of miles on his body. What if we get back 3 first round picks and flip them to the lottery winner for the first overall pick and take Dahlin. Plus we still have our own first rounder. We need to move on. It’s time for a major purge of this roster starting with our most attractive assets.
 
And when exactly are they going to be in position to contend again with no #1 defenseman and no #1 center?

When will they find those pieces? Hey, who the **** knows but at least we'll have cap space!

I can't give you the answer you're looking for but they've got to give themselves a better shot at landing these guys (either through trade or the draft) rather than trying to keep going for it with the group that they've assembled that hasn't been good enough to get it done.

How much longer is McDonagh going to play at a #1 level? Maybe he ages well, but I'm not betting 8.5-9 mill a year on that.
 
I was just attempting comic relief... I have no intention of backing up that statement as a legitimate argument.

In your defense, just about any human is better than anything in our system at this point, that much is true.

I have doubts over whether Girardi is human. It would explain his durability!
 
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I can't give you the answer you're looking for but they've got to give themselves a better shot at landing these guys (either through trade or the draft) rather than trying to keep going for it with the group that they've assembled that hasn't been good enough to get it done.

How much longer is McDonagh going to play at a #1 level? Maybe he ages well, but I'm not betting 8.5-9 mill a year on that.
Ha ha. We posted the same response at the same time
 
Gorton thought he had all the problems solved and was building another contender, not realizing that the problem is behind the bench.

If he had gotten rid of AV, I'd gladly give him a mulligan on that. But AV still here and he's further gutting the roster.

That's scary and doesn't give me any faith in Gorton.

I have to believe that AV is out come the off season but mean while, I can't figure out for the life of me why JG would compound the team's problems by bringing in the wrong pieces to the puzzle.
Right now, I'm hating on JG way more than AV.
 
Yo don’t know what we will be getting back. You don’t know who we draft with our picks. Shoot I like McD but he is declining steadily and due a big contract with maybe 4 more good years and a lot of miles on his body. What if we get back 3 first round picks and flip them to the lottery winner for the first overall pick and take Dahlin. Plus we still have our own first rounder. We need to move on. It’s time for a major purge of this roster starting with our most attractive assets.

The lottery winner wouldn't trade us the Dahlin slot for our entire organization and every draft pick we have until 2040. He's McDavid on defense.

The only suitable return for McDonagh is a near can't miss franchise D like Makar. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
 
I tend to agree with the confusing moves, get an extra pick for Brassard, use it in conjunction with another pick to rent Smith, buyout Girardi, sell Stepan for futures, sign two relatively expensive, 4 year UFAs, one of which is Smith, now he may be trading players for futures.

That is why I am hesitant to put much faith in them having any structured long term plan.

If I were to do some mental gymnastics, perhaps they felt even in transition, Smith for his snarl, and Shattenkirk for the PP, were better things to have during a transition period. Perhaps feeling he can move them at some point during their contracts for more assets of need based on those traits.

However I think it's more likely he is changing course depending on how the team is doing, how he feels they can do if he makes a move, at whatever date is circled on the CBA's schedule.

I have a feeling if this team strings together a decent winning record over the next 13 games until the deadline, the talk, including that of the media, of them being sellers changes quite a bit.
 
I can't give you the answer you're looking for but they've got to give themselves a better shot at landing these guys (either through trade or the draft) rather than trying to keep going for it with the group that they've assembled that hasn't been good enough to get it done.

How much longer is McDonagh going to play at a #1 level? Maybe he ages well, but I'm not betting 8.5-9 mill a year on that.

Frankly, who cares about the 8.5-9 million?

High-end players in prime positions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cap space.

Chciago and Pittsburgh proved that winning six Cups with four different rosters.

You can gut the rest every year if you need to if you have a #1 center and a #1 defenseman. Now we have neither. Instead we have a bunch of picks and cap space, and an organization that's never been able to manage those two things.
 
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The lottery winner wouldn't trade us the Dahlin slot for our entire organization and every draft pick we have until 2040. He's McDavid on defense.

The only suitable return for McDonagh is a near can't miss franchise D like Makar. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
You don’t know till you try. We’ve tried with this group and this player for five years. I for one want a fresh start.
 
The Rangers are in a super awkward position in regards to McDonagh. He’s a number 1 defenseman now. Top 15 guy in the league. The team is going backwards and needs a reset. He’s going to cost $8.5-$9m to sign in another year.

Even if they draft a future number 1 center, or did last year, that player isn’t going to be a number 1 center until McDonagh is 30 or 31. That gives you a 1 or 2 year window to try to contend with McDonagh as your 1D, provided the rest of the pieces line up.

That’s the same level of risk that trading him for a young potential #1D is, but without the huge price tag.
 
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As frustrated as I have been with Mac this year, i do not believe we should be moving him unless it was an overpayment. I think this team has the opportunity to truly rebuild on the fly, kinda how the Yankees did it, through a number of shrewd and smart moves while keeping part of the group around such as Gardner, CC, Betances, etc.

Keep McDonagh and Shatty. Keep Kreider, Hayes, and Buch. Miller i would love to keep if he got his head out of his ass and continued his progression. They have help on the way in DeAngelo, Chytil, and Andersson. Gropp can be a depth winger eventually. Same with Lettieri and Nieves as part of your bottom 6 with Fast. Maybe you can bring Nash back after trading him on a team friendly deal. Look to move Staal or keep him. Keep Smith for the last pair. Trade Holden.

Roll with:

McDonagh-Skjei
Staal-Shattenkirk
Smith-ADA

That is a worthy defense. It is. Although i think this team will continue to fail under AV. He is the root of the problem with the Team defense which leads to wide open attackers, shooting lanes, odd man rushes, etc. Hank has been his saving grave, he has masked all the holes with AVs system
 
I tend to agree with the confusing moves, get an extra pick for Brassard, use it in conjunction with another pick to rent Smith, buyout Girardi, sell Stepan for futures, sign two relatively expensive, 4 year UFAs, one of which is Smith, now he may be trading players for futures.

That is why I am hesitant to put much faith in them having any structured long term plan.

If I were to do some mental gymnastics, perhaps they felt even in transition, Smith for his snarl, and Shattenkirk for the PP, were better things to have during a transition period. Perhaps feeling he can move them at some point during their contracts for more assets of need based on those traits.

However I think it's more likely he is changing course depending on how the team is doing, how he feels they can do if he makes a move, at whatever date is circled on the CBA's schedule.

I have a feeling if this team string together a decent winning record over the next 13 games until the deadline, the talk, including that of the media, of them being seller changes quite a bit.

Shattenkirk kind of fell into their lap so I don't know if signing him really falls into a lack of a long term plan.

Either way they need bodies. Its entirely possible that JG didn't want to tear it down completely and decided that he would want to see where the team was at before doing anything further.

I don't think they'll be buying at the deadline no matter what happens and I'd put a good amount of money on them moving the UFA's regardless of where they're at in the standings.
 
Frankly, who cares about the 8.5-9 million?

High-end players in prime positions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cap space.

Chciago and Pittsburgh proved that winning six Cups with four different rosters.

You can gut the rest every year if you need to if you have a #1 center and a #1 defenseman. Now we have neither. Instead we have a bunch of picks and cap space, and an organization that's never been able to manage those two things.
McD from 30-37 yrs old at 8+ million = :headache::nopity:

And no loyalty comments. As I said earlier Jerry Seinfeld put it best when he said we root for laundry not players. Give me young exciting players. I know wha we have now, including McD. He’s not young, he’s not exciting. He’s good but declining
 
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