Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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You guys hype on Zegras, he would be eaten alive by the NY fans and media for his defensive game and how he takes bad penalties.

Verbeek never wanted to sign him long term because he is not a complete player and wanted him to prove himself first. Also, Leo Carlsson is looking like the real deal. So that put another monkey wrench into things who I think as early as this season could take over the 1C spot in Anaheim.
 
If the team falters this season under the new staff ..... before we move any players, fire any more coaching staff or trainers or skate sharpeners or whatever.....fire DRURY first and foremost . Let a more astute/ savvy GM figure things out .He made bad deals from start to finish and also pulled the rug out from under Gallant last season at the deadline with his stupid deals . Get his ass out of here and get a GM that understands what is needed for a playoff battle and one that can communicate with his coaching staff and not work against them .

The results this season are all on Drury .
As others have said, Drury has done fantastic job with trades mid-season.
Copp/Vatrano/Motte ended up getting us to the ECF
Tarasenko/Mikkola/Motte

Drury has had two trade deadlines in a row where he was able to identify "need" and didnt go overboard in paying for it.
Drury getting wheeler for pennies on the dollar? Even if wheeler puts up 35 points, he's making 850k.
Drury also identified that if the team is going to advance it wasnt going to be gallant.

You guys hype on Zegras, he would be eaten alive by the NY fans and media for his defensive game and how he takes bad penalties.

Verbeek never wanted to sign him long term because he is not a complete player and wanted him to prove himself first. Also, Leo Carlsson is looking like the real deal. So that put another monkey wrench into things who I think as early as this season could take over the 1C spot in Anaheim.
I think Carlsson will be the better player, I also think Anahiem will regret passing on fantilli.
 
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I think Carlsson will be the better player, I also think Anahiem will regret passing on fantilli.

Fantilli is going to look like the better player right out of the gate but I think Leo ends up being the better all around player, once he fully grows into his body.

I don’t think they will regret the pick at all. Both players will be very good.
 
As others have said, Drury has done fantastic job with trades mid-season.
Copp/Vatrano/Motte ended up getting us to the ECF
Tarasenko/Mikkola/Motte

Drury has had two trade deadlines in a row where he was able to identify "need" and didnt go overboard in paying for it.
Drury getting wheeler for pennies on the dollar? Even if wheeler puts up 35 points, he's making 850k.
Drury also identified that if the team is going to advance it wasnt going to be gallant.


I think Carlsson will be the better player, I also think Anahiem will regret passing on fantilli.
Fantilli looks amazing on video. CBJ may have got really lucky.
 
No he wouldn't. Laf and Chytil combined for 90 points and are both 1st rounders. Zegras had a total of 65 points and is a bit overrated by some here.
Thats not how it works.

Also, Ducks were second to last with 5 on 5 goal production, and second to last in powerplay percentage. If they move Zegras, it's because he's most likely pushed to the wing anyway with their top 2 centers set. So why are they taking Chytil to play 3c or wing, and Laf?
 
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Thats not how it works.

Also, If they move Zegras, it's because he's most likely pushed to the wing anyway with their top 2 centers set. So why are they taking Chytil and Laf?
It's still an overpay by the Rangers. Zegras had 65 points getting 1st line minutes and PP time. He also can't play a lick of defense. Why wouldn't they take Chytil and Laf?
 
It's still an overpay by the Rangers. Zegras had 65 points getting 1st line minutes and PP time. He also can't play a lick of defense. Why wouldn't they take Chytil and Laf?
I added more to my post. If you trade Laf I think you get draft capital or some player in a similar situation. I don't think any team is giving up something more established with the risk being Lafs hype working out. The value here is Chytil, which they don't really need at all.
 
More word salad. Show me the last 7+ player deal involving multiple marquis players, including possibly the best player in the world at his position (Shesterkin), that isn't on NHL '23.

I'll wait.

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2. In the NFL beyond a swap of entire franchises, there was a precedent of like 11 players for 1 [or a couple, if I remember, Elroy Hirsch]
My prop of 7 is not that lopsided, and were it necessary, could be broken down into multiple smaller transactions.

3. If we are going to be honest about it, if we did erroneously consider your standard, the factually correct approach would be to take into account follow ups which the original deal prompted.
So instead of adding a cap dump to an initial suggestion, that means a separate transaction for that purpose. As that applies here, 2 or 3 smaller deals easily totaling 7 or more players would, I expect to be found w/some research.

4. As to a high end guy arguably among the top at his position, Tkaczuk.

5. If you want to properly dispute my premise for this trade, attack it on grounds that are fair and reasonable, even if you are limited as to how much objectivity you are able to apply. IMO locking up Sanderson for 8 max term is worth sacrificing Shesty, esp since we have Garand. If you don't like Pinto vs what we give up, that's fine have an honest debate there.
But if you continue w/unsubstantiated "word salad" bs, you leave me no choice but to call you out.


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I added more to my post. If you trade Laf I think you get draft capital or some player in a similar situation. I don't think any team is giving up something more established with the risk being Lafs hype working out. The value here is Chytil, which they don't really need at all.
My original point was responding to a post that said the Rangers trading Chytil, Laf and a 2nd rounder for Zegras is an underpay. I think it would be an overpay and the Rangers would never do it regardless of what Anaheim valued.
 
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If the team falters this season under the new staff ..... before we move any players, fire any more coaching staff or trainers or skate sharpeners or whatever.....fire DRURY first and foremost . Let a more astute/ savvy GM figure things out .He made bad deals from start to finish and also pulled the rug out from under Gallant last season at the deadline with his stupid deals . Get his ass out of here and get a GM that understands what is needed for a playoff battle and one that can communicate with his coaching staff and not work against them .

The results this season are all on Drury .
Want to blame someone? Blame every single person involved in drafting every top 10 pick in the last 15 years.

The scouts, the staff, and probably most of all... The players.

Teams don't go very far when they bust on 100% of top 10 picks.

This team looks a lot different if even one of Laf, Kravtsov, Kakko, Andersson, hell even McIlrath, turn out to be all star players.

Going zero for five here is a travesty. The cheap talented youngsters on team friendly long term contracts never materialized. Guess what? This window is basically closed because of that.

Blaming the symptoms (having to trade/lose expensive players for next to nothing) is dumb.
 


But someone needs to team Cuylle he can’t play RW.


I actually really like those lines. I think Cuylle will complement Fil and Bread nicely.

People are going to be upset to see Laf on the third line “not getting a chance” but that’s where he belongs on this roster if he is unwilling or unable to play RW.

Vesey not having a spot in the lineup is weird to me. Wonder if he’s sick or hurt.

Would still much rather have someone other than Bonino on the 4th line.
 
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Even though I'm concerned about the injury risk I like that Chytil is playing with speed. He is one of very few Rangers I see not only skating with speed but moving his hands with speed. We need more players that play at a higher pace. The only fans that say we do not need speed are fans of teams without speed. :D
 
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So, we should trade Igor, according to 3 US President advisors now?

God I love this forum.

For most of NHL history it would be a silly discussion. But in the cap era, it is at least worthy of a conversation.

I'm not on team "clubs with star goalies making $$$ can't win a cup" but there's one of two outcomes here...

1) Igor has another okay season and gets 8x7 on the market.

2) Igor has another .930 gangbusters season and needs 8x11 on the market

Neither are 'no brainers'
 
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I actually really like those lines. I think Cuylle will complement Fil and Bread nicely.

People are going to be upset to see Laf on the third line “not getting a chance” but that’s where he belongs on this roster if he is unwilling or unable to play RW.

Vesey not having a spot in the lineup is weird to me. Wonder if he’s sick or hurt.

Would still much rather have someone other than Bonino on the 4th line.
Wheeler is a big boy. He protects the puck and can win those behind the net battles to maintain possession. It might not be a bad thing for Laf to let somebody else control play and be more of a net front guy himself.
 
Now we have people laughing when players are injured? Yikes.
But at least they are not rooting against him… hahaha.

Not gonna lie there was a point where I was tending to read this board a LOT less frequently, the negativity is just so pervasive, thick and exaggerated. But luckily it has gotten SO over the top it has gone into “absurdist humor” for me. Hahaha. I know some people are purposeful in that, and I thank them, but some people are dead serious… and I also thank THEM, because that is even funnier.
 


If Fil can stay healthy he can have a monster year playing with Panarin. Him getting 2nd line duty is a long time coming. Just needs to win some faceoffs =/
 
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Also have to say I love the lines.

Chytil will give Panarin some decisiveness.

Zib and Kreider shouldn't take advantage of Kakko. They're smart enough to find a way to work his skills into their typical schemes.

Laf-Tro-Wheeler is a wild card in terms of how they work, but I can see it as a solid cycle line with some puck shielding and grit. That line is going to get into the blue paint a lot. Trocheck can lug the puck if they're getting backed up.

Rather see Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow but Pitlick had a good camp.
 
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