Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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I remember when we drafted Kravtsov, and he talked about how he spent so much time watching videos of Gretzky and Lemieux and dreaming about being a superstar in NHL. Too bad he never put in the proper amount of work required to go along with those dreams.
 
I think those line combos are about the best set of combinations you can hope for, and if Cuylle doesn’t perform well enough to stick you can just move Vesebone up there, we know he can play with Panarin.
 
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Interesting that Cuylle is getting looks in the top six. Figured it would have been Othmann if that’s the hole they want to fill. Guess Cuylle is further along than I appreciated.
 
Brining up Kravtsov in the Rangers discussion thread…

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For most of NHL history it would be a silly discussion. But in the cap era, it is at least worthy of a conversation.

I'm not on team "clubs with star goalies making $$$ can't win a cup" but there's one of two outcomes here...

1) Igor has another okay season and gets 8x7 on the market.

2) Igor has another .930 gangbusters season and needs 8x11 on the market

Neither are 'no brainers'

It's also a 7 player blockbuster that involves a rookie that just got paid by the team before he even became a star....

Not to mention, 3US Presidents advisors give the go 😂
 
Interesting that Cuylle is getting looks in the top six. Figured it would have been Othmann if that’s the hole they want to fill. Guess Cuylle is further along than I appreciated.
I feel like Cuylle brings something to that top-6 that is severely lacking sadly.

Maybe I'm too high on the kid for his pre-season, but his work ethic during games is clearly evident & something almost every one of our forwards can learn something from.

Also "dirty" goals
 
Today’s Media Availability. Don’t play the drinking game when the word “Obviously” is mentioned or you’ll need a new liver:




 
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Want to blame someone? Blame every single person involved in drafting every top 10 pick in the last 15 years.

The scouts, the staff, and probably most of all... The players.

Teams don't go very far when they bust on 100% of top 10 picks.

This team looks a lot different if even one of Laf, Kravtsov, Kakko, Andersson, hell even McIlrath, turn out to be all star players.

Going zero for five here is a travesty. The cheap talented youngsters on team friendly long term contracts never materialized. Guess what? This window is basically closed because of that.

Blaming the symptoms (having to trade/lose expensive players for next to nothing) is dumb.
Great post

YOUN CAN NOT MISS CONSTANTLY when picking that high & shanking. You won't succeed.

Maybe there's still hope for KK?
 
1. First and foremost, we are not required to capitulate to the status quo; other than what is technically doable, we are confined only by our imaginations.
Will you try to change things, with the power that you have, the power of a million new ideas?
Robert Lamm, Chicago

2. In the NFL beyond a swap of entire franchises, there was a precedent of like 11 players for 1 [or a couple, if I remember, Elroy Hirsch]
My prop of 7 is not that lopsided, and were it necessary, could be broken down into multiple smaller transactions.

3. If we are going to be honest about it, if we did erroneously consider your standard, the factually correct approach would be to take into account follow ups which the original deal prompted.
So instead of adding a cap dump to an initial suggestion, that means a separate transaction for that purpose. As that applies here, 2 or 3 smaller deals easily totaling 7 or more players would, I expect to be found w/some research.

4. As to a high end guy arguably among the top at his position, Tkaczuk.

5. If you want to properly dispute my premise for this trade, attack it on grounds that are fair and reasonable, even if you are limited as to how much objectivity you are able to apply. IMO locking up Sanderson for 8 max term is worth sacrificing Shesty, esp since we have Garand. If you don't like Pinto vs what we give up, that's fine have an honest debate there.
But if you continue w/unsubstantiated "word salad" bs, you leave me no choice but to call you out.

Once again, a whole lot of words and not a whole lot of substance.

You've got Garand as your starter? A 21 year old goalie that needs more time in the oven and that couldn't beat out a washed up 38 year old as your backup? I mean, that alone sinks your ship.

Shesterkin in his prime is your best bet to win a Stanley Cup. You've got two years left on a very fair contract.

Sanderson, a whole season under his belt, locked up for 8 years @ 8+M is your primary target? Sophomore slump? What kind of message does this send to Miller?

You're trading away the two best forward prospects, BY A MILE, in the organization (Cuylle is on the roster so I'll lose the word prospect for him) in an organization that typically has trouble drafting the right people at forward - and these are two the Rangers likely got right for once.

Pinto has all of 43 points in 99 games in 3 years in the NHL. Clearly a must have.

Grieg another must have with 20 games under his NHL belt.

Whose spots are these two Centers taking? Trocheck? Zibanejad? Chtyil? Bonino on the 4th line? For once the Rangers are pretty deep at center and these are the guys you're targeting?

What's Ottawa doing here? Taking a step back when they clearly want to take a step forward by trading four starters for a goalie, Goodrow, and two prospects? NO.

Tarasenko? Let's sign Kane for peanuts instead.

It's asinine. It's ludicrous. It'll never happen. It's an awful proposal for both clubs with 8 moving parts that make little to no sense for either team.

I'm done here. I've taken the time, there are my points, and this is finished.
 
Panarin playing with 2 big hustlers and shooters.

Lanes should be wide open for Panarin with that, him moving his feet and defense activating as the “4th forward”

I don’t want to expect another 2019 performance but he should be closer to that than the past gallant seasons at 5v5
 
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Panarin playing with 2 big hustlers and shooters.

Lanes should be wide open for Panarin with that, him moving his feet and defense activating as the “4th forward”

I don’t want to expect another 2019 performance but he should be closer to that than the past gallant seasons at 5v5

That's what I thought too. Shades of PLD and Atkinson with Panarin. We've talked about it but the Rangers have never found the combination until now (hopefully).
 
Once again, a whole lot of words and not a whole lot of substance.

You've got Garand as your starter? A 21 year old goalie that needs more time in the oven and that couldn't beat out a washed up 38 year old as your backup? I mean, that alone sinks your ship.

Shesterkin in his prime is your best bet to win a Stanley Cup. You've got two years left on a very fair contract.

Sanderson, a whole season under his belt, locked up for 8 years @ 8+M is your primary target? Sophomore slump? What kind of message does this send to Miller?

You're trading away the two best forward prospects, BY A MILE, in the organization (Cuylle is on the roster so I'll lose the word prospect for him) in an organization that typically has trouble drafting the right people at forward - and these are two the Rangers likely got right for once.

Pinto has all of 43 points in 99 games in 3 years in the NHL. Clearly a must have.

Grieg another must have with 20 games under his NHL belt.

Whose spots are these two Centers taking? Trocheck? Zibanejad? Chtyil? Bonino on the 4th line? For once the Rangers are pretty deep at center and these are the guys you're targeting?

What's Ottawa doing here? Taking a step back when they clearly want to take a step forward by trading four starters for a goalie, Goodrow, and two prospects? NO.

Tarasenko? Let's sign Kane for peanuts instead.

It's asinine. It's ludicrous. It'll never happen. It's an awful proposal for both clubs with 8 moving parts that make little to no sense for either team.

I'm done here. I've taken the time, there are my points, and this is finished.
I have no problem trading Igor, but not for this
 
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So, we should trade Igor, according to 3 US President advisors now?

God I love this forum.
let's not slop together what I actually said and mcuk it up

We don't need Igor, we have Quick.
We need Igor, but like everyone else, everyone should be expendable if the reutrn is too good to say no to.
Thankfully Garand looks like real enuf, worth the risk.

It's also a 7 player blockbuster that involves a rookie that just got paid by the team before he even became a star....
Not to mention, 3US Presidents advisors give the go 😂
rookie is a 5OA wh projects as a real, dominant, complete shutdown LD.
The 8 per, which kicks in not this yr but next, is mostly covered by moving Trouba next yr
At mid-later part of that term, his market value > 8m.

The single advisor to 3 Prez'es was pertinent to OP discussing money, bern and the world.
Again let's not mash stuff together
 
There's zero reason to trade him this year. A case might be made for next at the trade deadline but I think we need to get a year+ older first.

We literally have no one to replace him at the moment.
I mean, you can get a replacement in the trade. But the Rangers can’t afford his next extension and frankly they should have learned from Lundqvist not to sink that much cap into a goalie. I’d rather do it now then lose value dealing him as a rental
 
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