Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[bernmeister]

It's ludicrous no matter what word salad you throw at it.

well, I'm sorry to have to say that if you insist on going with 'it's ludicrous, regardless of objective review, because I say so', you give me no choice but to acknowledge you have chosen to disqualify yourself as to any discussion based on merit.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It is an interesting move.

I look at the trade as Chytil and a 1st round pick (Laf) for Zegras.

I do not know the correct answer. I think Chytil is really coming around but I worry about injury.

Will Zegras be around 65 points again? Or will he reach another level? Zegras is fun to watch but if he stays around 65 points then we overpaid.

Zegras is getting first line time and putting up 65 points and being really weak defensively.
Chytil is getting low 2nd line time, and putting up 45 points and being above average defensively.

Im not adding a first to that.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It absolutely is. I believe Laf+ Chytil will match the point production Zegras has this season. All your adding to that Is a likely high 2nd. That's not enough to pry a face of a franchise player away from another team. (Unless Zegras ever wants out)

Not undervaluing, just being realistic. No reason duck's would make that trade

If Lavi follows through on the shit he's said (this is the caveat) and laf and chytil stick with panarin for more than 5 games.
And Chytil and Laf only put up 90 points and match zegras, I will 100% back trading them both.

But my expectation if they stick around on that line and he balances pp time as we'd like to see then, Laf + chytil will top 150 points.

I recognize I'm bullish on Laf but this is a clear make or break year.

Everyone is much higher on kakko after last season, and the gap in numbers wasn't that big between the two, and Kakko is a full year older. So lets give Laf that same time.

 

[bleedblue94]

If Brooks was being their PR mouthpiece I think if anything he'd be putting out the opposite info...that they're disappointed in his training, he didn't put in the work, etc, and especially not that Brooks put out an article saying "just play the guy on the top line and let him cook"
It's weird people will contort themselves to fit a narrative like some of ya'll

If he does that it all becomes a bigger story and IF they are listening to offers then those offers keep dropping. It's not contorting, it's basic pr and manipulation of the media.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[RGY]

It makes no sense to trade any hefty package for Zegras. While he is offensively gifted, he has not rounded out his game. I would rather have Chytil (who is rounding out his game and is on the rise), Lafreniere and all struggles (although he has been a 40 point player with MINIMAL PP time, having great ES numbers), and the 1st round pick.

 

[Taluss]

I must be too high on Zegras cuz I completely disagree with that.

 

[egelband]

Othmann to the AHL is the right play. Let him get the minutes and be the guy.

Excited to see Cuylle up with the boys. Hoping the adrenaline doesn't were off but it's possible we could see him bouncing back and forth this year, which is not a bad thing. This team finally has some depth where we don't have to force young guys in the lineup.

Also, as many others have said Gus is going to greatly improve the defense. I'm happy Drury took the PMD approach, and not the tough guy approach

And i love Jones working on both sides so he can step in as soon as we have an injury or otherwise a spot opens. I think he’ll organically get 50 games and that’s perfect for a young defenseman.

 

[Claxton]

Panarin goes and this team starts to play like a team again. The guy is too egotistical to make it work here. The first year was great when he was working his ass off and trying to fit in, but now its become "his team". It almost worked with Lundqvist because hes a goalie, but not seeing it with Panarin, unless he has truly changed with the shaved head and all that. I guess we'll see how it plays out this season, but so far its not looking promising.

 

[CLW]

I like that Lavi talks about "bearing down" and "more speed, more attitude, more directness" in the offensive team game.

 

[JCProdigy]

Oh so he’s played that card before when he refuses to play with certain players like he did with Kakko a year or so ago. Locker room cancer.

That's weird that you say that because:

A) Atkinson is a winger while Duchene is a center.
B) The vast majority of his time for the 2 years he was with the CBJ he played with Atkinson and PLD (both Reg- and Post- season) .
C) Panarin was the Blujackets leading scorer both years. Oh that includes the playoffs with 18pts in 16gp.
D) Dzingle was laughing saying that Torts was having some "Weird, fake issues with them"

 

[RangersFan1994]

Jesper Boqvist would be a good waiver pick up. He'd be a better option than Bonino. Only 24 years old. Adds speed

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

It absolutely is. I believe Laf+ Chytil will match the point production Zegras has this season. All your adding to that Is a likely high 2nd. That's not enough to pry a face of a franchise player away from another team. (Unless Zegras ever wants out)



Not undervaluing, just being realistic. No reason duck's would make that trade

The reason they would make that trade is because it’s decent value for a kid who may not want to be there for very long. If he wanted to be there, he would have signed much sooner than he did.

Throw in his comments about seeing how the team does and it’s starting to look like he may be the kind of guy that forces his way out. Teams almost never get full value when it gets to that point, so it may be worth it for them to move him now for good value. It doesn’t make much of a difference for them in the short term as they’re still deep in rebuild, and they’ll get cost controlled assets and futures. The chances Zegras is still there after his current contract are minuscule.

Yes it’s a bit of speculation, but there’s a world where it makes sense, and we should be doing our due diligence

 

[Flan the incredible]

I doubt Zegras get traded anytime soon.

Personally the better play is Vancouver and Pettersson.

They have the Laf connection, they should rebuild as I can't see them having a good season. EP hasn't committed to them yet.

The question is price. One year left and then RFA and needs a contract. Does Chytil and Laf get it done? Add a pick?

Zibs, EP and Tro down the middle would be pretty sweet.

 

[Avery16]

4. If there is a particular concern coming out of camp, it relates to Jonathan Quick’s three outings in which the netminder recorded a .807 save percentage and 5.07 GAA in just over two full game’s worth of minutes.

The Blueshirts were generally lousy in front of the Connecticut Yankee, but they sure did not distinguish themselves in front of their other three goaltenders, either, and Igor Shesterkin went .913, 1.88; Dylan Garand went 1.27, .947 and Louis Domingue went 1.26, .923.

Quick starts the season with a clean slate, too, but the 37-year-old is attempting to transition to a full-time backup role for the first time in a decorated 16-year-career while coming off his worst season in which his numbers were among the NHL’s worst.

Will Cuylle seized moment to secure Rangers’ roster spot

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jesper Boqvist would be a good waiver pick up. He'd be a better option than Bonino. Only 24 years old. Adds speed

Buffalo going to carry three goalies?
Hmm

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Imo this team is more in need of a new Callahan than a Zegras type.

 

[egelband]

Panarin goes and this team starts to play like a team again. The guy is too egotistical to make it work here. The first year was great when he was working his ass off and trying to fit in, but now its become "his team". It almost worked with Lundqvist because hes a goalie, but not seeing it with Panarin, unless he has truly changed with the shaved head and all that. I guess we'll see how it plays out this season, but so far its not looking promising.

I feel like there are reasons to trade Panarin. And I also agree Panarin’s playing style hasn’t been a good match the last year or so. He has fallen into some bad habits and he hasn’t found good chemistry with his linemates. But I think it’s unfair to present him as a malcontent. He may be stubborn but I also think there’s no reason to think he’s not on board with the broader push to implement more of a system and more accountability. I’ve always thought most of the really top players want more structure rather than less.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Imo this team is more in need of a new Callahan than a Zegras type.

I agree. I was hoping for Ryan Hartman at the deadline but he resigned with the Wild. Rangers need that type of player. A tenacious forchecker with speed and skill

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Rempe wasn’t making the lineup.

Neither was Harpur.

 

[leetch99]

If the team falters this season under the new staff ..... before we move any players, fire any more coaching staff or trainers or skate sharpeners or whatever.....fire DRURY first and foremost . Let a more astute/ savvy GM figure things out .He made bad deals from start to finish and also pulled the rug out from under Gallant last season at the deadline with his stupid deals . Get his ass out of here and get a GM that understands what is needed for a playoff battle and one that can communicate with his coaching staff and not work against them .

The results this season are all on Drury .

 

[RangersFan1994]

If the team falters this season under the new staff ..... before we move any players, fire any more coaching staff or trainers or skate sharpeners or whatever.....fire DRURY first and foremost . Let a more astute/ savvy GM figure things out .He made bad deals from start to finish and also pulled the rug out from under Gallant last season at the deadline with his stupid deals . Get his ass out of here and get a GM that understands what is needed for a playoff battle and one that can communicate with his coaching staff and not work against them .

The results this season are all on Drury .

Dolan will just hire another puppet. Nothing will change until Dolan is gone.

 

[haohmaru]

well, I'm sorry to have to say that if you insist on going with 'it's ludicrous, regardless of objective review, because I say so', you give me no choice but to acknowledge you have chosen to disqualify yourself as to any discussion based on merit.

More word salad. Show me the last 7+ player deal involving multiple marquis players, including possibly the best player in the world at his position (Shesterkin), that isn't on NHL '23.

I'll wait.

L-U-D-I-C-R-O-U-S

 

[GAGLine]

More word salad. Show me the last 7+ player deal involving multiple marquis players, including possibly the best player in the world at his position (Shesterkin), that isn't on NHL '23.

I'll wait.

L-U-D-I-C-R-O-U-S

Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world Bern.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

If the team falters this season under the new staff ..... before we move any players, fire any more coaching staff or trainers or skate sharpeners or whatever.....fire DRURY first and foremost . Let a more astute/ savvy GM figure things out .He made bad deals from start to finish and also pulled the rug out from under Gallant last season at the deadline with his stupid deals . Get his ass out of here and get a GM that understands what is needed for a playoff battle and one that can communicate with his coaching staff and not work against them .

The results this season are all on Drury .

Kane may have been overkill but how was getting Tarasenko, Mikkola, and Motte pulling the rug out from Gallant? They were all major needs on this team. Stop blaming Drury for everything. His teams have had 110 and 107 point seasons and his draft choices have been solid. This year he added to the roster with cheap additions of Gust and Wheeler for 800k each. This is a good roster. If this team fails this year it will be more on the players and coach IMO.