Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[bernmeister]

There's zero reason to trade him this year. A case might be made for next at the trade deadline but I think we need to get a year+ older first.

We literally have no one to replace him at the moment.

It is a fair argument to say we have no one to replace, but that is op and not fact.
The opinion that Garand could step in if Martians kidnapped Shesty is also valid.

There is no rationale debate on when a deal get us more.
Shesty w mo term > Shesty w/less term

 

[Savant]

It is a fair argument to say we have no one to replace, but that is op and not fact.
The opinion that Garand could step in if Martians kidnapped Shesty is also valid.

There is no rationale debate on when a deal get us more.
Shesty w mo term > Shesty w/less term

Also you can get a replacement in a trade

 

[bernmeister]

....

Once again, a whole lot of words and not a whole lot of substance.
Sez you, once again,, erroneously.

You've got Garand as your starter? A 21 year old goalie that needs more time in the oven and that couldn't beat out a washed up 38 year old as your backup? I mean, that alone sinks your ship.
Whether or not Garand could benefit from more time is secondary; primary here is can he step in, and answer suggests yes.
As to Quick, that was obv beyond stupid and Drury may be forced to reverse this like yesterday. There are limits to what even Alaire can do.
Obv Quick beat out NOBODY

Shesterkin in his prime is your best bet to win a Stanley Cup. You've got two years left on a very fair contract.
That is why you deal him NOW to get max return.
Learn from stupidity of holding on to Buch too long.

Sanderson, a whole season under his belt, locked up for 8 years @ 8+M is your primary target? Sophomore slump? What kind of message does this send to Miller?
You grossly and criminaly underrate Sandy.
Message to KAM is play high end, you get paid high end.

You're trading away the two best forward prospects, BY A MILE, in the organization (Cuylle is on the roster so I'll lose the word prospect for him) in an organization that typically has trouble drafting the right people at forward - and these are two the Rangers likely got right for once.
Maybe up there, but necessary b'c Sens don't give up stud youth w'o youth going back.
Also, while Oth, unlike LaF shows a motor, both he and Per have an Achilles heel -skating/speed.
Have you learned nothing?

Pinto has all of 43 points in 99 games in 3 years in the NHL. Clearly a must have.
Sufficiently high enuf upside, def worth the risk, has more physical ability than either.

Grieg another must have with 20 games under his NHL belt.
Nice throw in, cheap fit, upgrades Vesey, etc

Whose spots are these two Centers taking? Trocheck? Zibanejad? Chtyil? Bonino on the 4th line? For once the Rangers are pretty deep at center and these are the guys you're targeting?
At this point, Chytil + Zib + Tro are your pivots, but there is room for competition as to who is C based on things like FO strength, etc., w/room for somebody to slide to W.

What's Ottawa doing here? Taking a step back when they clearly want to take a step forward by trading four starters for a goalie, Goodrow, and two prospects? NO.
Goodrow is out in the oorrected version due to Sanderson stll at elc $$ this yr.
Sens are saying Shesty is Vez good, we add 2 young elc Fs to replace young rfa Fs we gave up.

Tarasenko? Let's sign Kane for peanuts instead.
He is a stop gap throw in on this for cap balance.

It's asinine. It's ludicrous. It'll never happen. It's an awful proposal for both clubs with 8 moving parts that make little to no sense for either team.
Your erroneous opinion x 4.

I'm done here. I've taken the time, there are my points, and this is finished
fine by me
peace out

 

[bernmeister]

Also you can get a replacement in a trade

Yes, but I think if a deal like this went thru and Garand thrust into it, he deserves chance to go through it warts and all, if any.
Has distinguished himself vs high level international competition and done ok+ on AHL team that was nothing to brag about.

But yes, replacement via trade is a fall back option

 

[LokiDog]

So we just announced we’re rolling with a captain and 5 alternates. Why do we do embarrassing shit like this? 1/3 of the skaters on the roster are captains? That’s a lot of “leadership” on a team that has questionable leadership.

Trouba and Fox, Goodrow, Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

And what world does Panarin deserve a letter in? All he does is dodge interviews and pretend it’s cute while playing a completely unstructured game however he wants to play.

 

[Savant]

Yes, but I think if a deal like this went thru and Garand thrust into it, he deserves chance to go through it warts and all, if any.
Has distinguished himself vs high level international competition and done ok+ on AHL team that was nothing to brag about.

But yes, replacement via trade is a fall back option

For sure. Competition not the worst thing either. Don’t need to trade him for a prospect just need to reset the cap and buy some extra years

 

[frozenrubber]

So we just announced we’re rolling with a captain and 5 alternates. Why do we do embarrassing shit like this? 1/3 of the skaters on the roster are captains? That’s a lot of “leadership” on a team that has questionable leadership.

Trouba and Fox, Goodrow, Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

And what world does Panarin deserve a letter in? All he does is dodge interviews and pretend it’s cute while playing a completely unstructured game however he wants to play.

Letters on a jersey are a farce.

Beyond ceremonial purposes, captains/alternates are supposed to be the only on-ice players interfacing w/ refs. Outside of a few guarded conferences by the scorekeeper's booth, EVERY player in the league is constantly complaining and in the ear of refs.

Rotating leadership assignments are fine. Voices get stale and new player responsibilities are a good way for teams/individuals to grow. However, wish it wasn't prescribed at the beginning of the season, but I also realize the distraction of changing assignments based on perceived merit/performance would cause. Instead, the only positive reinforcement of play we see is a grody locker room hat.

 

[Fitzy]

It’s a little bit weird but not worth losing any sleep over to be sure

 

[bernmeister]

For sure. Competition not the worst thing either. Don’t need to trade him for a prospect just need to reset the cap and buy some extra years

I agree no trade for sake of making a trade.
Also, just an ordinary elc to help reset cap is not worth surrendering elite talent
But what I ask be recognized, is Sanderson, a 5OA who is a hit not a miss, is elite emerging w/star-> elite upside, so HE IS worth it

 

[LokiDog]

It’s a little bit weird but not worth losing any sleep over to be sure

Of course not, just such a head scratcher. Trouba is the captain. Put letters on Zib and Kreider if you want to follow status quo, otherwise give them to Kreider and Lindy or Fox and call it a day. Do we really need 1/3 of the roster wearing letters and is giving Bread one anything other than placating and pandering to a selfish player?

 

[Machinehead]

I don't think it's a big deal or a deal at all but it triggers my ADHD and I for that reason, I hate it.

 

[haohmaru]

I mean, you can get a replacement in the trade. But the Rangers can’t afford his next extension and frankly they should have learned from Lundqvist not to sink that much cap into a goalie. I’d rather do it now then lose value dealing him as a rental

Whoever the replacement is, he won't be nearly as good.

Also, the Rangers window (and you can make whatever argument you want about their odds) is right now. This year and next. If this year is a horror story, there's a better argument to be made for getting high value for him next summer.

 

[LokiDog]

Whoever the replacement is, he won't be nearly as good.

Also, the Rangers window (and you can make whatever argument you want about their odds) is right now. This year and next. If this year is a horror story, there's a better argument to be made for getting high value for him next summer.

In general this is a pretty pivotal year. At the end of this season Shesterkin will have one year left before a big pay day after. Laf will either have shown something or continued to just be there. Trouba and Kreider become tradeable (or is that the following summer)? If Panarin has another no show playoffs you have to imagine his name starts coming up in rumors. Does Chytil take another step to build off of last year and cement himself? This year could really heavily impact the future.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't care if we get anything or not. Don't give Shesterkin his next contract at all costs.

 

[Tob]

The Lars Shocheknerbg award feels more like a curse at this point.

 

[Avery16]

I’m down with Trouba as C and Zib, Kreids and Fox as As. I’d support Lindgren getting an A, but he’s on the ice when Fox is on the ice.

I don’t think Panarin shows leadership, and I still like Panarin.

I don’t get Goodrow having one at all.

 

[bernmeister]

In general this is a pretty pivotal year. At the end of this season Shesterkin will have one year left before a big pay day after. Laf will either have shown something or continued to just be there. Trouba and Kreider become tradeable (or is that the following summer)? If Panarin has another no show playoffs you have to imagine his name starts coming up in rumors. Does Chytil take another step to build off of last year and cement himself? This year could really heavily impact the future.

general agree, and while some of what I said is properly open to debate, one pt I made is indisputable: we get a lot more dealing Shesty now w/another yr on term instead of waiting til next season.
end wrong win now mindset
learn from mistake of dealing Buch too late

 

[DialUp]

In general this is a pretty pivotal year. At the end of this season Shesterkin will have one year left before a big pay day after. Laf will either have shown something or continued to just be there. Trouba and Kreider become tradeable (or is that the following summer)? If Panarin has another no show playoffs you have to imagine his name starts coming up in rumors. Does Chytil take another step to build off of last year and cement himself? This year could really heavily impact the future.

This excites me. The letter was a long time ago, none of us (or the players) are getting any younger. I have no faith that this is a cup team. Blow it up again, keep Fox, K'Andre, Kakko, let Othmann get a try. Otherwise, who cares.

 

[Savant]

I agree no trade for sake of making a trade.
Also, just an ordinary elc to help reset cap is not worth surrendering elite talent
But what I ask be recognized, is Sanderson, a 5OA who is a hit not a miss, is elite emerging w/star-> elite upside, so HE IS worth it

Yeah, but Ottawa isn’t doing it

Whoever the replacement is, he won't be nearly as good.

Also, the Rangers window (and you can make whatever argument you want about their odds) is right now. This year and next. If this year is a horror story, there's a better argument to be made for getting high value for him next summer.

Won’t get high value for a goalie rental. Doesn’t matter if the replacement is “as good”. You don’t need an elite goalie to win the cup. If anything Igor papering hovering the cracks on this team.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Drury should claim Martin jones if they somehow could get out of the Quick contract. Benny would get more out of him than Quick

 

[mike14]

In general this is a pretty pivotal year. At the end of this season Shesterkin will have one year left before a big pay day after. Laf will either have shown something or continued to just be there. Trouba and Kreider become tradeable (or is that the following summer)? If Panarin has another no show playoffs you have to imagine his name starts coming up in rumors. Does Chytil take another step to build off of last year and cement himself? This year could really heavily impact the future.

You are correct with CK and Trouba having to submit no-trade lists form next season. Between them and UFA Shesty, next season's TDL could be a doozy if we are struggling

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

we dont even play until thursday?

alread ythe worst season ever smh

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So we just announced we’re rolling with a captain and 5 alternates. Why do we do embarrassing shit like this? 1/3 of the skaters on the roster are captains? That’s a lot of “leadership” on a team that has questionable leadership.

Trouba and Fox, Goodrow, Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin.

And what world does Panarin deserve a letter in? All he does is dodge interviews and pretend it’s cute while playing a completely unstructured game however he wants to play.

He makes people laugh, laughs, and grunts. Basically he's a cross between Roger Rabbit and Dave Grohl on the ice.

 

[bernmeister]

Drury should claim Martin jones if they somehow could get out of the Quick contract. Benny would get more out of him than Quick

that's going from loser to loser
pass

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I actually really like those lines. I think Cuylle will complement Fil and Bread nicely.

People are going to be upset to see Laf on the third line “not getting a chance” but that’s where he belongs on this roster if he is unwilling or unable to play RW.

Vesey not having a spot in the lineup is weird to me. Wonder if he’s sick or hurt.

Would still much rather have someone other than Bonino on the 4th line.

Agree on all points.

Vesey will find his way because he adheres to the system. Maybe it’s a bigger adjustment for him but he’s smart.

Laf just needs to play hard wherever they put him. Kind happy they didn’t just hand over a top 6 spot to him considering his camp. If he plays well and earns it, then you bump him up. You need to see a push. Until then it is what it is.

Need to see more from Bonino but was never in love with this signing. Pay attention to his dzone draws. They haven’t been great. Would prefer more speed as well.

that's going from loser to loser
pass

Would be a slight upgrade. That’s how bad Quick has been and likely will be. Always thought Jones had some raw tools that were never refined enough. Same with Prosvetov, who was also waived.