Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Avery16]

https://x.com/detroitredwings/status/1709637093297656095?s=46&t=WWGwhyQiVsqtB6-tfs442w

I didn’t know Ani was still trying to play.

 

[Savant]

Exactly. It's like a manly post-gym musk: it may attract the ladies but the stink isn't whats going to make them marry you.

This is…oddly specific

 

[Shesterkybomb]

https://x.com/detroitredwings/status/1709637093297656095?s=46&t=WWGwhyQiVsqtB6-tfs442w

I didn’t know Ani was still trying to play.

Too bad, was a decent player, sad to see him fizzle out.

 

[Savant]

Disagree. Bobrovsky is the biggest reason for the Panthers run.

Bobrovsky kind of proves my point. Especially in Florida, he has not been a great regular season goalie. He can definitely catch fire which is what you need in the playoffs, but it was Lyon’s form that got the Panthers into the playoffs last year, not Bobrovsky. Also kind of funny that you want to talk about the Panthers run, when the the Vegas run is also right there to look at. Vegas won with what their fifth string goalie last year? Fourth string?

 

[haveandare]

I think the role of Captain at this level is generally misunderstood by most people.

I think a lot can learn more about the actual role by studying Calgary of the past few years and the internal impacts of not having one. Simultaneously look at teams that just slap letters on players for the sake of marketing (nyr) and how effective their leadership groups are.

Pretty sure they’d have had a captain before Trouba if they were just slapping letters on people for marketing

 

[haohmaru]

Bobrovsky kind of proves my point. Especially in Florida, he has not been a great regular season goalie. He can definitely catch fire which is what you need in the playoffs, but it was Lyon’s form that got the Panthers into the playoffs last year, not Bobrovsky. Also kind of funny that you want to talk about the Panthers run, when the the Vegas run is also right there to look at. Vegas won with what their fifth string goalie last year? Fourth string?

Right but you’re missing the point.

We’re talking about Bob, multiple Vezinas, having a moment and carrying his team to the finals. In my estimation THIS RANGERS TEAM would need that to win a Cup.

Vegas didn’t because they had three interchangeable first lines logging essentially the same minutes every night and playing great 5v5. Vegas didn’t need great goaltending. The Rangers do.

 

[haohmaru]

It's the Lundqvist era all over again. You'd think they'd have learned they need to develop their top picks as top players but they're still throwing money and picks at mercenaries and expect to win that way. 3rd coach for this core already.

I’d argue this team is as good or better than any in front of Lundqvist. But, if Chytil, Kakko, LaF and Miller don’t take big steps forward it won’t be enough.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Average/below average guys getting hot and playing at an "elite" level have been behind a bunch of cup winners recently (Murray, Binnington, Hill, Holtby, etc.) The only team that has won with sub optimal goaltending in... forever was Colorado in 2022.

So generally you do need elite (or at least, very good) goaltending to win in the playoffs, but that level of play can be supplied by a guy who is not seen as elite or very good (or even good.) Elite guys can provide that for you too (Vasilevsky) but it's hardly a requirement to have one.

Theres no better example of this than Luongo and Lundqvist. Easily the 2 best goalies of their generation and they had 0 cups between them.

In reality, you need your goalie to be good and for your best players to carry their weight. This is why Florida got as far as they did and fell apart once Bobrovsky couldn't bail out his defense but they don't get as far as they do if their top forward don't crush it either.

 

[bleedblue94]

Pretty sure they’d have had a captain before Trouba if they were just slapping letters on people for marketing

So the current way they are handling it has to be the same as what they did years ago?

 

[Rongomania]

Tampa paid Vasi. Can we please not with the bullshit.

Ya just gotta get creative and be smart. That's something I can agree with, how we manage to overpay the players who are not worth it. Let's not do that one anymore.

 

[Savant]

Right but you’re missing the point.

We’re talking about Bob, multiple Vezinas, having a moment and carrying his team to the finals. In my estimation THIS RANGERS TEAM would need that to win a Cup.

Vegas didn’t because they had three interchangeable first lines logging essentially the same minutes every night and playing great 5v5. Vegas didn’t need great goaltending. The Rangers do.

I am not missing the point. The Panthers have not gotten multiple vezina winning for from Bob, except in small doses when he has gotten hot. You don’t need an elite goalie to win the cup you need a hot goalie.

Vegas is also able to roll three lines because they don’t have a mega cap hit dedicated to a goalie. The Rangers already have cap issues and are looking at probably an eight figure AAV to keep Igor. This is the best chance the Rangers have to reset their cap and more importantly their roster composition

 

[bleedblue94]

Would Ivan Prosvetov be a worthwhile gamble to claim? Quick has looked horrible. Prosvetov had some real potential at one point. It hasn't been pretty lately but wonder if he could be a benny project

 

[TGWL]

I’d be shocked if we don’t give Igor his next deal. I get the logic being argued but I really don’t see it happening.

If we pull a Tampa and win back to back cups, I'd happily give Igor whatever he want and not give an F if it bombs.

 

[Savant]

Tampa paid Vasi. Can we please not with the bullshit.

Ya just gotta get creative and be smart. That's something I can agree with, how we manage to overpay the players who are not worth it. Let's not do that one anymore.

Tampa wasn’t in cap hell when they paid Vasi. They also had players to LTIR and no sales tax in Florida helping them out. And they still had to jettison players to pay him. The Rangers are not set up nearly as well as Tampa was

 

[duhmetreE]

I am not missing the point. The Panthers have not gotten multiple vezina winning for from Bob, except in small doses when he has gotten hot. You don’t need an elite goalie to win the cup you need a hot goalie.

Vegas is also able to roll three lines because they don’t have a mega cap hit dedicated to a goalie

And a 95M cap will get you 3 lines

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I will say this though, if there is a goalie who can carry the team to cup in this league it's Igor.

I don't think the full spectrum of how ridiculous his 2021-22 season + playoffs were. That was some straight up Hasek shit.

... But its going to require the guys in front of them, especially the best guys to do their part. They almost had it in 2022 and very well may have if a certain #10 played close to his capabilities.

 

[Savant]

And a 95M cap will get you 3 lines

95m cap remains to be seen. Also everyone else is going to have a 95m cap too if it exists so it’s not exactly a magic button for the Rangers

 

[duhmetreE]

95m cap remains to be seen. Also everyone else is going to have a 95m cap too if it exists so it’s not exactly a magic button for the Rangers

I was referring to Vegas exceeding the cap

 

[Rongomania]

Tampa wasn’t in cap hell when they paid Vasi. They also had players to LTIR and no sales tax in Florida helping them out. And they still had to jettison players to pay him. The Rangers are not set up nearly as well as Tampa was

A lot of money coming off the books sooner than later. Cuylle/Othmann/Schneids may be the cheaper replacements for those players if they stay on their current paths. They're shaping up to be players. And Perrault basting in college.

We very much need Kak/Chytil/Laf to explode. That's the main focus for this team.

 

[haohmaru]

I am not missing the point. The Panthers have not gotten multiple vezina winning for from Bob, except in small doses when he has gotten hot. You don’t need an elite goalie to win the cup you need a hot goalie.

Vegas is also able to roll three lines because they don’t have a mega cap hit dedicated to a goalie. The Rangers already have cap issues and are looking at probably an eight figure AAV to keep Igor. This is the best chance the Rangers have to reset their cap and more importantly their roster composition

This is missing the point. Any guy that’s won the Vezina more than once is an elite goalie. Guys as consistent as Lundqvist are impossible to find. There will be ebbs and flows. He was elite in the playoffs.

As to the second part of your post, my point is that with this roster they need an elite goalie to win this year. I’m not speculating about roster construction or contract speculation. The time to explore trading Shesterkin is next summer. Not now.

 

[DialUp]

If a team NEEDS elite goaltending to win, they aren't winning the Cup. Or more accurately, if your best player is the Goalie, you are cooked.

 

[Savant]

I was referring to Vegas exceeding the cap

Right but again, a lot of that is still enabled by not breaking the bank on a goalie

A lot of money coming off the books sooner than later. Cuylle/Othmann/Schneids may be the cheaper replacements for those players if they stay on their current paths. They're shaping up to be players. And Perrault basting in college.

We very much need Kak/Chytil/Laf to explode. That's the main focus for this team.

Igor FA Summer 25. That’s not soon enough, especially if Rangers need to blow up the team because it’s too old and slow. They are going to have to take a bath on everybody else

 

[GAGLine]

Would Ivan Prosvetov be a worthwhile gamble to claim? Quick has looked horrible. Prosvetov had some real potential at one point. It hasn't been pretty lately but wonder if he could be a benny project

No. That guy's been bad in the AHL the past 3 years. We'd make Domingue the backup before ever considering a player like that. Quick at least has a track record of success in the NHL. He knows what it takes to be an NHL goalie, even if he isn't capable of being one any more.

We'll ride Quick as the backup until he proves that he can either handle the job or he can't. If he can't, maybe we call up Domingue, or Garand if he's playing well, or make a move to replace him.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Good things letters are given for how players are in the room and not for how they talk (or don't) to the media. How would you know who should have one?

Lol its easy to say shit in a room.

Its hard to action it on the ice.

I totally disagree with your notion. Actions matter in leadership, not words.

 

[SA16]

Lol its easy to say shit in a room.

Its hard to action it on the ice.

I totally disagree with your notion. Actions matter in leadership, not words.

The biggest thing about letters is they don't matter at all yet fans get all up in arms about who has them. They don't even generally have them permanently in other sports yet somehow hockey is different and it's a huge thing.

That being said, I have no idea how you think that you, a fan, have a better idea of who is a leader on the team by watching games on TV and in person than the people who are actually with them every day.