Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

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Monahan comes across as a guy who right now is a 3C, but could play well enough to be a 2C. There's room for growth there. The issue is his salary. He COULD be worth what he's making now, but I don't think he's worth it right now.

I'm sorry, but this is just a ridiculous statement. The guy has surpassed 60 points 4 times (with another year at 58 points), and has one year with 82 points. Even in his down year this past year, he had 48 points in 70 games, which is still better than a 50 point pace. 3rd liners don't put up 50+ points, and they certainly don't put up 60+ points.
 
How many 3C's score 30+ goals?

Hes definitely a top 6 C. I just don't think hes the right fit here.
Why not

if Chytil improves defensively again he can be the defensive upgrade on Strome, and then Monahan will be an offensive upgrade on Strome

seems like a perfect fit really
 
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Dillon is concerning for me a little bit just based on how long that contract is. We've made far too many mistakes with long term contracts on defense for guys that are going to be 30+ for the majority of the deal. If it is a 3 year deal, I can probably live with it. 4 years and more is where it gets tough for me to accept. You don't want to block these kids coming through the system either.

Yes, he's probably a guy two years in you could ship out, but at the same time, he's viable to deteriorate over that same time based on his style of play. I'm just trying to avoid another Brendan Smith contract. Dillon has a much more sustained track record of being a solid player, but it's just the term and hit on the end of that deal that makes me sour on it a little bit.
 
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I'd imagine Strome comes in at less that 6.3 mil per season on his next deal. Throw in whatever you have to trade to get Monahan, and we're talking about 1-2 mil in cap space per season (plus an extra season at 6.3 if you can get Strome for 2 years), a good to very good (to potentially elite) roster piece in Buchnevich or DeAngelo, and for what? 10 more goals a season?

There's a lot implied here that I take issue with. And that's not even getting to the difference between Johnny and Bread, which exists but isn't as large as Rangers fans in the wake of this season would assume.
yeah the idea that he's going to come here and explode offensively makes little sense when he's been attached to the hip of one of the best point producers in the NHL for the past 4 years.
 
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I come in here on my lunch break to see 10 pages on Monahan speculation just because he was mentioned in trade talks and have some labeling him as no better than a 3rd line center.

What?

Back to work for me, see you guys Tuesday night for the draft. Thats already enough of HF for today for me.
 
I come in here on my lunch break to see 10 pages on Monahan speculation just because he was mentioned in trade talks and have some labeling him as no better than a 3rd line center.

What?

Back to work for me, see you guys Tuesday night for the draft. Thats already enough of HF for today for me.
Edge also mentioned that Calgary and NY are close to connecting on a trade, it's a matter of outside factors opening up the opportunity to strike. The rampant speculation is due to the feeling that something is imminent.
 
There was a reason Ottawa moved Zib. There's a reason (or potentially many reasons) why every player gets traded. It doesn't mean the player is bad.
Yeah cause Ottawa is poorly run and their owner is cheap

The Flames have realized they’re going to win jack squat with Monahan & Gaudreau and looking to sell high

not the same situation at all
 
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But the criticism, if I recall correctly, is that A) he's regressed since then; and B) how much of that production was related to playing with Gaudreau?

Every player in the league benefits to some degree by playing with better players. On the Rangers, he'd probably be playing with Panarin.
 
But the criticism, if I recall correctly, is that A) he's regressed since then; and B) how much of that production was related to playing with Gaudreau?
His career low in points, disregarding his season as a 19 year old, is 48, which was last year in a season he battled injury.

aside from that he’s scored 25+ goals six times and 60+ points four times

even if he’s benefitting from Gaudreau he’s still EASILY a top six center. And besides we have Lafreniere and Panarin for him to leech off
 
His career low in points, disregarding his season as a 19 year old, is 48, which was last year in a season he battled injury.

aside from that he’s scored 25+ goals six times and 60+ points four times

even if he’s benefitting for Gaudreaa he’s still EASILY a top six center. And besides we have Lafreniere and Panarin for him to leech off

Fair enough. I stand corrected on my initial statement.
 
I come in here on my lunch break to see 10 pages on Monahan speculation just because he was mentioned in trade talks and have some labeling him as no better than a 3rd line center.

What?

Back to work for me, see you guys Tuesday night for the draft. Thats already enough of HF for today for me.
I think that was just 1 person who labeled him a 3rd liner, lol. Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater!
 
how much do you think 10 goals a season is worth? because 1-2 million in salary for that sounds about right to me.
johnny and bread are completely different players though, and I think bread fits better with Monahan's play style. Gaudreau is a fast speedy winger with elite hands. Panarin is not a burner, he's got wheels but he's a slower more methodical game, which was why strome fit well.

For one, how many goals do you send the other way in the deal if it's DeAngelo? Or Buchnevich? Buchnevich has some of the best defensive impacts among our forwards.

And I'd disagree wholeheartedly with your second point. Johnny is a transition monster as an individual carrier. He's elusive and constantly moving in the offensive zone. Monahan just gives him the puck to take up the ice, sets some picks, and camps at the crease on in the high slot where Johnny sets him up. I'm not sure there is a more ideal fit for him winger-wise. It's why Monahan has consistently posted the numbers he has and it's also why every time Johnny struggles, Monahan sinks.
 
But the criticism, if I recall correctly, is that A) he's regressed since then; and B) how much of that production was related to playing with Gaudreau?

and we're talking about replacing strome with him, who was attached to the hip with panarin. Strome was on pace for 70 pts with panarin, monahan had 82 points playing with gaudreau. Monahan is a better version of strome, a shoot first center who's weak defensively and is attached to the hip with an elite playmaking winger. he's also younger and locked up for the next few years.
 
His career low in points, disregarding his season as a 19 year old, is 48, which was last year in a season he battled injury.

aside from that he’s scored 25+ goals six times and 60+ points four times

even if he’s benefitting from Gaudreau he’s still EASILY a top six center. And besides we have Lafreniere and Panarin for him to leech off

We’re asking him to slot in behind Zibanejad and potentially play next to Panarin or Lafreniere.
 
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Yeah cause Ottawa is poorly run and their owner is cheap

The Flames have realized they’re going to win jack squat with Monahan & Gaudreau and looking to sell high

not the same situation at all
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Just because a team wants to move a player doesn’t mean they aren’t a good fit for another team. Monahan doesn’t have anyone in front of him In Calgary, but he’d have Zibanejad here. That matters.

also how are they selling high on Monahan when he had the worst season of his career?
 
Nor should anyone.

Additionally, it is not their preference to move a RD to the left side.

Just to make that clear for the 100th time.
You have just managed to crush the hopes and dreams of many. I am sure that people are shocked, SHOCKED to learn that they do not want to move DeAngelo to the off side.
 
We'd be landing Monahan and Hanifin for players that dont have a future on the team. ADA and Buch, no matter which way we cut it, are not a part of the future. On top of it, we hopefully have their replacements in Lundkvist and Kravtsov.
 
Monahan is a complimentary forward on a line. He basically goes to the front of the net and waits for a rebound or pass. For a center, he really doesn't nec drive play the way you'd expect. It's amazing how often for a guy his size he sorta hides out in the offensive zone and sneaks behind defenders and waits for a pass. We'd be bringing him because we are convinced our wings will be driving the play. This is going to sound misleading, but he looks like a bigger Lias Andersson who is more adjusted to the NA game. His first step isn't great. I guess my concern with him is, what do you do with him if Chytil takes over 2C?
 
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