Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Thirty One]

I've been thinking about Dillon recently. I wonder if he would like a 3-4 year deal heavy up front, knowing that's it's expansion bait. Would work great for us, get him for one year at a cap hit lower than the salary we pay him and shield the other potential expansion losses.

 

[SA16]

Strome is nowhere closer to the player Monahan is. Also while Monahan is also bad defensively at least he has that reputation and would not be used on the PK or in defensive spots which Strome was. Not to mention he does not take an outrageous amount of penalties.

Also, as usual, to nobody's surprise Monahan's "down year" came with the lowest individual/on ice shooting percentage of his career. How does this always happen?

Additionally if Panarin or someone key got hurt and missed time Monahan is a player capable of still performing on his own whereas Strome has never shown any ability to do that.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The question marks to Monahan's game are, puck carrying, work ethic and first step? no?

Eliminate puck carrying, he'll be with Panarin or Lafreniere.
Work Ethic is something that can be fixed.
First step/explosiveness is another aspect that can be improved.

Trying to be optimistic here. Monahan and Hanifin would be adding A LOT of talent to the roster. Maybe the organization sees it as another Zibanejad scenario.

Lol no it isn't, that's the one thing you can't fix. His defensive reads would necessitate Hanifin. Still better than other options--we can all forget Lindholm.

 

[Trxjw]

What are we thinking Dillon gets for his next contract?

Hard to speculate in this cap climate but I think normally he gets $5.5m x 5 years pretty easily on the open market. Could be a little less than that this year but I think the Rangers would probably looking at him for 3-4 years if possible.

 

[Savant]

What are we thinking Dillon gets for his next contract?

Too much to be on Rangers third pairing.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I find it very funny that a washington free agent is holding up a potential blockbuster trade between two unrelated teams.

I bet scenario's like that happen quite often. I would love to see a list of the blockbusters that were on the 1 yard line just waiting for some other seemingly inconsequential factor to resolve itself.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

So what Gorton and Calgary have been talking Lindholm for weeks and whoever is running Calgary finally realized it would be dumb to trade Lindholm and told Gorton “how about Sean Monahan, who we don’t want anymore”

 

[DanielBrassard]

Not interested in Monahan in the slightest.

 

[pld459666]

I'm going out on a limb here and say that Ryan Johansen is a target

nothing to base it on...at all.

 

[Richard Banger]

Strome is nowhere closer to the player Monahan is. Also while Monahan is also bad defensively at least he has that reputation and would not be used on the PK or in defensive spots which Strome was. Not to mention he does not take an outrageous amount of penalties.

Also, as usual, to nobody's surprise Monahan's "down year" came with the lowest individual/on ice shooting percentage of his career. How does this always happen?

Additionally if Panarin or someone key got hurt and missed time Monahan is a player capable of still performing on his own whereas Strome has never shown any ability to do that.

Stop it. You are making to much sense. You know that’s not allowed here!

 

[duhmetreE]

Lol no it isn't, that's the one thing you can't fix. His defensive reads would necessitate Hanifin. Still better than other options--we can all forget Lindholm.

maybe fixed is the wrong word, but it can be improved. Zibs was no where near the workhorse he was now. USA Buch. It all can stem from conditioning.

But I do believe work ethic can be drilled into you. You have to want to get better at it just like everything else. People change dramatically when they become, for lack of a better word, 'gym rats'. Discipline and drive accompany the enjoyment of pain and pushing through it. It's a weird brain function

 

[Karen Panarin]

Too much to be on Rangers third pairing.

What LD do you have playing ahead of him on the first pairing? Brendan Smith ? Kandre Miller? I don't disagree that the price tag may be too high but he would most likely be in our top four

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I'm going out on a limb here and say that Ryan Johansen is a target

nothing to base it on...at all.

I think that $8M a year would be very difficult to fit in unless a material contract went the other way.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Monahan comes across as a guy who right now is a 3C, but could play well enough to be a 2C. There's room for growth there. The issue is his salary. He COULD be worth what he's making now, but I don't think he's worth it right now.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah but if we're talking about Monahan as a replacement for strome then we're talking about essentially upgrading his linemates from johnny gaudreau to panarin.

I'd imagine Strome comes in at less that 6.3 mil per season on his next deal. Throw in whatever you have to trade to get Monahan, and we're talking about 1-2 mil in cap space per season (plus an extra season at 6.3 if you can get Strome for 2 years), a good to very good (to potentially elite) roster piece in Buchnevich or DeAngelo, and for what? 10 more goals a season?

There's a lot implied here that I take issue with. And that's not even getting to the difference between Johnny and Bread, which exists but isn't as large as Rangers fans in the wake of this season would assume.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm going out on a limb here and say that Ryan Johansen is a target

nothing to base it on...at all.

Ehh he’s basically just tall, expensive Strome.

 

[GAGLine]

I have zero interest in Monahan. I’d rather ride the year out with Strome and Tony

There’s a reason Calgary is looking to move Monahan

There was a reason Ottawa moved Zib. There's a reason (or potentially many reasons) why every player gets traded. It doesn't mean the player is bad.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Monahan comes across as a guy who right now is a 3C, but could play well enough to be a 2C. There's room for growth there. The issue is his salary. He COULD be worth what he's making now, but I don't think he's worth it right now.

Dude he had 80 points a year ago. He’s not a third line center lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Monahan comes across as a guy who right now is a 3C, but could play well enough to be a 2C. There's room for growth there. The issue is his salary. He COULD be worth what he's making now, but I don't think he's worth it right now.

How many 3C's score 30+ goals?

Hes definitely a top 6 C. I just don't think hes the right fit here.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Dude he had 80 points a year ago. He’s not a third line center lol

Thank you...I was confused.

 

[Raspewtin]

Monahan comes across as a guy who right now is a 3C, but could play well enough to be a 2C. There's room for growth there. The issue is his salary. He COULD be worth what he's making now, but I don't think he's worth it right now.

what 3C averages 62 points per 82 games?

 

[True Blue]

If Kravtsov was a slam dunk to come over here and produce either later this season or start of following season I would trade Buch for 80A. There is a great chance Rossi could drop or if everyone loves Lundell so much he would be there. One would think that would solve our future 2c problem???

1) Kravstov has yet to play a single second in the NHL
2) When does, how long do you realstically think that it will take him to get to Buchnevich's level of productivity?
3) If you believe that the GM of a team that has playoff aspirations will trade top line productivity for a draft pick with nothing tangible to replace him with, you are not being very realistic.
4) Not really sure I see a problem at 2C right now. Certainly nothing that dictates a panic move.
5) We have no idea if Lundell is a 2C or 3. And will have no idea for another 5 years or so.

 

[Richard Banger]

Any time a team wants to shake things up it’s almost guaranteed they make 1 to 2 bad trades. Trading a 2/3c and a top LD who are both young is a bad idea. Regardless of the season they had.


That being said hopefully gorts can fleece them.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd imagine Strome comes in at less that 6.3 mil per season on his next deal. Throw in whatever you have to trade to get Monahan, and we're talking about 1-2 mil in cap space per season (plus an extra season at 6.3 if you can get Strome for 2 years), a good to very good (to potentially elite) roster piece in Buchnevich or DeAngelo, and for what? 10 more goals a season?

There's a lot implied here that I take issue with. And that's not even getting to the difference between Johnny and Bread, which exists but isn't as large as Rangers fans in the wake of this season would assume.

how much do you think 10 goals a season is worth? because 1-2 million in salary for that sounds about right to me.
johnny and bread are completely different players though, and I think bread fits better with Monahan's play style. Gaudreau is a fast speedy winger with elite hands. Panarin is not a burner, he's got wheels but he's a slower more methodical game, which was why strome fit well.

 

[effen]

I don't think Monahan addresses any of the 'needs' the NYR have but it's probably a case where Buch+ wasn't enough for Lindholm and is for Monahan, which lets you flip Strome for picks, and the picks for what you actually need structure wise.

Calgary's been talking for a bit about changing up the culture there and iirc Monahan is a zzzzzzZzZzz personality. Could be a case where the player is less than the sum of his parts and numbers.