Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Lafreniere may prove to be a better fit because he can more easily make that pass to the slot for Monahan.

Then we could either put Panarin with Zibanejad or have Laf/Panarin/Zibby all on separate lines which is INSANE depth.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Monahan-???

im assuming Buch goes in the deal. Would definitely be nice if we re-sign Fast or if Kravtsov forced his way into the team. But I really like the depth a trade like that affords us. We have a superstar on every line.

That looks insane for a top 9. You could go crazy all day with different combinations as well. Obviously this changes if Chytil becomes a trade piece that is used to secure Monahan.

 

[NYR Viper]

Better fit? For sure. Would probably return to his previous levels of production as well. Giving a guy like Panarin a shooting-oriented center could be a fantastic matchup. The problem with Monahan is that he tends to get hammered defensively.

this is my HUGE concern. Although if the plan is for Zibanejad to begin taking more of those defensive match-ups that may be a good plan. He's very good defensively

 

[Anthony5967]

What would a deal look like for Money?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Well this is where context is key my guy. In the sporting world getting a huge contract from your childhood team only to have it bought out less than halfway through must be embarrassing and humiliating for the guy, probably made him question his own ability and affected his self-esteem. So yeah in the context of hockey I'm sure it was crappy for him and probably a motivator for him on the ice and in the training room.

He was interviewing the dude about his own personal journey, of course it's relevant.... I really don't see the issue, it's not like they made a big deal and compared it to real life struggles like you seemed to, it's just the context of Shatts hockey journey from his lowest point of his professional career to his highest. It's a good story and very relevant.

glad you enjoyed the story.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think you are massively over valuing our players. If Buchnevich could get a first he would have been gone already.

He almost did last year.

 

[duhmetreE]

Something to consider as well is role.

You could have guys who the Rangers think have the potential to thrive in certain roles. So in Monahan's case, you could have a scenario where maybe he's actually closer to his career high numbers from 2019, despite playing a second line role here.

We've seen that with other teams --- Tampa, Toronto, etc. where a player's offensive numbers hold steady or increase because of the surrounding cast.

I think last year is an abberation as well. Calgary had a horrendous year. The entire team, not just a player or two.

It would be a buy low opportunity. I remember Colorado had a similar situation in 2017... Even rumors of McKinnon being available..

 

[Rongomania]

Tony for Hanifin doesn't sound JG...

And I do think Tony would look freaking great on Calgary and Hanifin would make people happy here for a very long time.. injury history a bit tho yeah?

Monahan would be a good stop gap until he drops to 3C and Chytil goes to 2c..

All of this just doesn't make any sense really. I like Lindholm too but this is just weird to me (even with the Buchy talk & 22 for 19 swap)

YO, @Edge

Any chance the Calgary deal would be to flip the assets to perhaps another team in their division/conference or a team Calgary doesn't want to deal with/is being low balled by? Like maybe a quick series of trades is upcoming where we get OUR GUY(s) ?

 

[Joey Bones]

It has...try to keep up, Joey.

In 2020, it should be easier

 

[Savant]

It doesn't matter but his FO% has went up 3 years in a row. That said who really cares about winning 52% of FO vs 49%.

I just realized that I was reading my stats upside down. Apologies on that. But yeah the rest of it remains. Streaky scorer that floats when it’s not rolling for him. There is a reason that Calgary wants out.

 

[Chytilmania]

I just realized that I was reading my stats upside down. Apologies on that. But yeah the rest of it remains. Streaky scorer that floats when it’s not rolling for him. There is a reason that Calgary wants out.

We gave Kreider a long term deal lol.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Before everyone jumps off a cliff on Hanifin, remember that a year ago you couldn’t have pried him out of Calgary. He had a very good season in 2018-19, not so good last year. This is when you look to buy. A bit of a gamble? What trades aren’t?

TBF, Bob, given your hesitation on Monohan, he'd been a consistent 30-30 guy in the league from age 20-23, and then progressed to 34-48-82 as a 24 year old, before then bumping down (along with the entire rest of the Calgary squad) last year.

That's a pretty friggin' great player to have as your 2nd line C, signed at $6.375MM for 3 more years...

(EDIT: note that this shouldn't be read to mean I disagree with your point about Hanafin; I don't.)

 

[NYR Viper]

Zibanejad has been this teams match-up center for a couple of years. He excels playing against the other teams best players. That allows a guy like Monahan to be more sheltered defensively playing with Panarin. It seems like a fit to me.

 

[Edge]

I think last year is an abberation as well. Calgary had a horrendous year. The entire team, not just a player or two.

It would be a buy low opportunity. I remember Colorado had a similar situation in 2017... Even rumors of McKinnon being available..

It's funny you should say because I was thinking that even if you consider the last two years to be the high water mark and low water mark respectively, they average out to pretty much Monahan's career average.

So let's even say that he's pretty much a 25-30 goal, 60-65 point player, if you think you can translate that level of production to the second line, that's not bad at all.

 

[NYR Viper]

TBF, Bob, given your hesitation on Monohan, he'd been a consistent 30-30 guy in the league from age 20-23, before then progressing to 34-48-82 as a 24 year old before then bumping down (along with the entire rest of the Calgary squad) last year.

That's a pretty friggin' great player to have as your 2nd line C, signed at $6.375MM for 3 more years...

Monahan was also playing through some injuries this year so that greatly effected his game.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

He almost did last year.

We almost traded Buch for the 8th pick yet he’s only worth a second

seems legit

 

[Savant]

We gave Kreider a long term deal lol.

Kreider at least hits people. Monahan does not. Also we know what Kreider is.

 

[Edge]

Tony for Hanifin doesn't sound JG...

And I do think Tony would look freaking great on Calgary and Hanifin would make people happy here for a very long time.. injury history a bit tho yeah?

Monahan would be a good stop gap until he drops to 3C and Chytil goes to 2c..

All of this just doesn't make any sense really. I like Lindholm too but this is just weird to me (even with the Buchy talk & 22 for 19 swap)

YO, @Edge

Any chance the Calgary deal would be to flip the assets to perhaps another team in their division/conference or a team Calgary doesn't want to deal with/is being low balled by? Like maybe a quick series of trades is upcoming where we get OUR GUY(s) ?

Anything is possible. But the popular opinion seemed to be that both teams had something the other wanted.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I'd rather just keep Strome if Monahan is the proposed 'upgrade.' Not sure what Monahan brings that Strome doesn't except goalscoring, but if they put up similar point totals then you're not losing goals overall with Strome.

I don't mind Hanafin, but I don't know where he'd play for us. I'd rather get Dillon and stick him next to Trouba. Hanafin is a player who needs a clear role. Nobody knows what he is, including Hanafin. What pairing? What kind of duties? He's strong in a lot of aspects of the game, but he's a different player on a different team in a different role every year. I don't like him here for that reason, very suspect to me that he could turn it around. I could see him playing well with the Penguins, or Boston. I could also see him growing a lot on a team like Detroit or Montreal. Somewhere he's either The Guy or else on a team that is really competitive, and well structured.

We're neither of those.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Late getting to the party here.

Where is the Monahan talk coming from?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I just realized that I was reading my stats upside down. Apologies on that. But yeah the rest of it remains. Streaky scorer that floats when it’s not rolling for him. There is a reason that Calgary wants out.

But, there's also a reason the Rangers could want in. In Calgary, he was the #1 center. He's not being asked to do that if he comes here. He's anywhere from, at best 3 to potentially 5 or 6 in the pecking order, meaning he won't have the burdens he had in Calgary.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Monahan Fast - You know its going to happen
Lafreniere Zibanejad Kakko - yes
Kreider Chytil Gauthier - size and speed
Lemieux Howden Barron

 

[Ghost of jas]

Late getting to the party here.

Where is the Monahan talk coming from?

The usual

Lindholm and Hanifin could morph into Monhahan and Hanifin.

Stay tuned.

 

[Rongomania]

Late getting to the party here.

Where is the Monahan talk coming from?

Upgrade on Strome, that I believe for sure, BUT

I do not like hearing Chytils name thrown into this mix.

(Also, props @Edge for the reply).

 

[bbny]

Why would Calgary trade Hanifin with Giordano probably done in 2 years? Who do they have at LD for the future at that point? I would think they'd rather move on from Giordano, who might be a fit here for a couple of seasons. A wily old vet who doesn't hamstring us in the future when we need the cap.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's funny you should say because I was thinking that even if you consider the last two years to be the high water mark and low water mark respectively, they average out to pretty much Monahan's career average.

So let's even say that he's pretty much a 25-30 goal, 60-65 point player, if you think you can translate that level of production to the second line, that's not bad at all.

The only question I have is that, Strome, while he has his warts, is more of an offensive guy and just was on pace for 69 points over an 82 game season playing with Panarin. He could, more than likely, be signed for 3-4 years at less than that Monahan makes. If the plan was to get better at things Strome is deficient at I could understand it but it would seem like the team is looking at a guy who would come in and be strong at things Strome is strong at already. Granted face-offs, size, physical play all lean towards Monahan but he will also cost assets and have a more expensive contract.