Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Yes.

If Chytil keeps improving defensively Monahan would be great in a sheltered offensive role. I think he’s a great fit with Panarin because he’s a pure shooter from the center spot. Better fit than Strome IMO.

 

[Edge]

Do you get a sense that Calgary is more likely to prefer moving Monahan than Lindholm?

I think Calgary would prefer moving Monahan.

 

[Chytilmania]

If Chytil keeps improving defensively Monahan would be great in a sheltered offensive role. I think he’s a great fit with Panarin because he’s a pure shooter from the center spot. Better fit than Strome IMO.

And worst case scenario Chytil gets moved to wing to replace Buch.

 

[Trxjw]

Does anyone think Monahan would actually improve playing behind Zib and playing with Panarin? Instead of having to be the guy in Calgary?
And if he's good at FOs that's great for us.

Better fit? For sure. Would probably return to his previous levels of production as well. Giving a guy like Panarin a shooting-oriented center could be a fantastic matchup. The problem with Monahan is that he tends to get hammered defensively.

 

[duhmetreE]

If its Monahan, lets hope Quinn can work some magic... Like he's had with Zibs.

The offense will be there playing with Panarin. If he can develop the 2-way game and motor like Zibs, that'd be great

 

[kovazub94]

Buchnevich is almost guaranteed to be in the deal, as Calgary has been interested in him for the past two trade deadlines, as per our board source.

Our board source also mentioned that it's more difficult to put a larger deal together and smaller is also possible.

Seriously if it's Hanifin + Monahan then ADA + Buch is an apparent overpayment (compared to Lindholm instead of Monahan).

 

[Savant]

Does anyone think Monahan would actually improve playing behind Zib and playing with Panarin? Instead of having to be the guy in Calgary?
And if he's good at FOs that's great for us.

He’s not good at FOs. Has gotten worse every year.

Monahan is a streaky scorer, and if he isn’t scoring then he isn’t contributing anything else. It’s an expensive dice roll honestly. Don’t think I would do it but I’m not in charge. Would rather wait a year and take a bigger swing than allocate those assets to Calgary.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Our board source also mentioned that it's more difficult to put a larger deal together and smaller is also possible.

Seriously if it's Hanifin + Monahan then ADA + Buch is an apparent overpayment (compared to Lindholm instead of Monahan).

Our board source continues to insist we look for the swap of 1sts...so, maybe it's no longer so much of an overpayment.

 

[MrAlmost]

I mean Treliving has shown he isn't afraid of big deals but that is a lot of parts.

That's true. You really don't see these big trades that often anymore where roster players are all swapped. Everything is futures for nows. So boring.

 

[Edge]

If Chytil keeps improving defensively Monahan would be great in a sheltered offensive role. I think he’s a great fit with Panarin because he’s a pure shooter from the center spot. Better fit than Strome IMO.

You bring up an excellent point, and one that's easy to overlook, and that's pairings.

A guy like Monahan could be attractive to the Rangers because of the types of wingers they have as well.

Now a lot would depends on how comfortable Panarin and Monahan both feel passing back-hand to back-hand with passing. Some players aren't comfortable with that (see Jagr with right-handed centers).

But Panarin has shown chemistry with Zibanejad as well, and you could theoretically have either Kreider or Lafreniere frank flank Monahahan.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Our board source continues to insist we look for the swap of 1sts...so, maybe it's no longer so much of an overpayment.

theres also the point that both monahan and hanafin are cost controlled whereas Ada is an rfa, which factors into value.

 

[Chytilmania]

Better fit? For sure. Would probably return to his previous levels of production as well. Giving a guy like Panarin a shooting-oriented center could be a fantastic matchup. The problem with Monahan is that he tends to get hammered defensively.

I'll take a better shooting and better face off Strome.

 

[kovazub94]

If ADA and Strome net us (fairly long term) solutions at LD and 2C it's hard not to pull the trigger.

Yup, nitpicking a bit (especially given your handle) but Chytil will be given a bigger chance at 2C if Strome is moved and substituted with Monahan instead of Lindholm.

 

[duhmetreE]

The question marks to Monahan's game are, puck carrying, work ethic and first step? no?

Eliminate puck carrying, he'll be with Panarin or Lafreniere.
Work Ethic is something that can be fixed.
First step/explosiveness is another aspect that can be improved.

Trying to be optimistic here. Monahan and Hanifin would be adding A LOT of talent to the roster. Maybe the organization sees it as another Zibanejad scenario.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Better fit? For sure. Would probably return to his previous levels of production as well. Giving a guy like Panarin a shooting-oriented center could be a fantastic matchup. The problem with Monahan is that he tends to get hammered defensively.

I think playing with a winger who is good in his own end (like breadman) could help to mitigate that problem.

 

[Joey Bones]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but here y’all go...

 

[Trxjw]

I think playing with a winger who is good in his own end (like breadman) could help to mitigate that problem.

Certainly possible. Depending on who you had on the other wing on that line you could have a group that spends an awful lot of time in the offensive zone to begin with, which also is a mitigating factor.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but here y’all go...

It has...try to keep up, Joey.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You bring up an excellent point, and one that's easy to overlook, and that's pairings.

A guy like Monahan could be attractive to the Rangers because of the types of wingers they have as well.

Now a lot would depends on how comfortable Panarin and Monahan both feel passing back-hand to back-hand with passing. Some players aren't comfortable with that (see Jagr with right-handed centers).

But Panarin has shown chemistry with Zibanejad as well, and you could theoretically have either Kreider or Lafreniere frank flank Monahahan.

Lafreniere may prove to be a better fit because he can more easily make that pass to the slot for Monahan.

Then we could either put Panarin with Zibanejad or have Laf/Panarin/Zibby all on separate lines which is INSANE depth.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Monahan-???

im assuming Buch goes in the deal. Would definitely be nice if we re-sign Fast or if Kravtsov forced his way into the team. But I really like the depth a trade like that affords us. We have a superstar on every line.

 

[Edge]

The question marks to Monahan's game are, puck carrying, work ethic and first step? no?

Eliminate puck carrying, he'll be with Panarin or Lafreniere.
Work Ethic is something that can be fixed.
First step/explosiveness is another aspect that can be improved.

Trying to be optimistic here. Monahan and Hanifin would be adding A LOT of talent to the roster. Maybe the organization sees it as another Zibanejad scenario.

Something to consider as well is role.

You could have guys who the Rangers think have the potential to thrive in certain roles. So in Monahan's case, you could have a scenario where maybe he's actually closer to his career high numbers from 2019, despite playing a second line role here.

We've seen that with other teams --- Tampa, Toronto, etc. where a player's offensive numbers hold steady or increase because of the surrounding cast.

 

[SA16]

He’s not good at FOs. Has gotten worse every year.

Monahan is a streaky scorer, and if he isn’t scoring then he isn’t contributing anything else. It’s an expensive dice roll honestly. Don’t think I would do it but I’m not in charge. Would rather wait a year and take a bigger swing than allocate those assets to Calgary.

It doesn't matter but his FO% has went up 3 years in a row. That said who really cares about winning 52% of FO vs 49%.

 

[kovazub94]

Our board source continues to insist we look for the swap of 1sts...so, maybe it's no longer so much of an overpayment.

IMO still overpayment but smaller so it's a possibility, I guess.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Lafreniere may prove to be a better fit because he can more easily make that pass to the slot for Monahan.

Then we could either put Panarin with Zibanejad or have Laf/Panarin/Zibby all on separate lines which is INSANE depth.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Monahan-???

im assuming Buch goes in the deal. Would definitely be nice if we re-sign Fast or if Kravtsov forced his way into the team. But I really like the depth a trade like that affords us. We have a superstar on every line.

Kreider and Chytil have played together, and Chytil and Kravtsov have shown chemistry as far back as their fast propect camp together. So, you could put Panarin and Zib, and Lafreniere and Monahan together, and Kakko ends up on one of those lines.

 

[Chytilmania]

Lafreniere may prove to be a better fit because he can more easily make that pass to the slot for Monahan.

Then we could either put Panarin with Zibanejad or have Laf/Panarin/Zibby all on separate lines which is INSANE depth.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Monahan-???

im assuming Buch goes in the deal. Would definitely be nice if we re-sign Fast or if Kravtsov forced his way into the team. But I really like the depth a trade like that affords us. We have a superstar on every line.

Hanafin-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist

Shesty

Holy Jesus

 

[NYR425]

Lol Deangelo worth a lot more than a mid first round pick. And Buch is easily worth a first.

You’re massively overrating picks

I think you are massively over valuing our players. If Buchnevich could get a first he would have been gone already.