Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[RGY]

A lot of people I've talked, including outside the Rangers, think Calgary is a good fit for us.

The real question is how big does either team dare to go --- especially right now.

It's hard because sometimes you have teams circling each other for a long time, and they come really, really close to a deal, but there's a hesitation from one or both sides and the deal literally dies on the one yard line.

Calgary and the Rangers are close, very close. We'll see if they can get something across the goal line. Maybe they end up kicking a field goal for right now. We'll see.

This sounds like they have the framework for a potential deal in place.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

A lot of people I've talked, including outside the Rangers, think Calgary is a good fit for us.

The real question is how big does either team dare to go --- especially right now.

It's hard because sometimes you have teams circling each other for a long time, and they come really, really close to a deal, but there's a hesitation from one or both sides and the deal literally dies on the one yard line.

Calgary and the Rangers are close, very close. We'll see if they can get something across the goal line. Maybe they end up kicking a field goal for right now. We'll see.

We know NYR's motivation for seeking young LD & Center targets, what is Calgary's motivation for trading them? What are they looking for in return?

 

[kovazub94]

These are fair points.

But on the flip side, if he continues to be underwhelming as he has been then we are looking at essentially a $5 mil AAV cap hit on the books through 2025-2026. Preventing us from being flexible

Ironic, you compared him to Skjei which while disagreeing I’m not going to debate, but Skjei with equally long term was moved pretty early into his contract while underwhelming in performance.

 

[mas0764]

I think this deal would depend on what we can parlay Strome into.

 

[duhmetreE]

Monahan seems to have higher point numbers.

Lindholm scores a little less, but seems to be a better defender.

Lindholm's contract is $4.8m for 4 more years, Monahan's is $6.3 for 3 more years.

Both are 25 years old and both have been in the league for 7 seasons.

Seems close.

Monahan is a decent player if he has a 'driver' on his line, which he will. He's suspect defensively ( minus faceoffs ) and his 'work ethic' comes into question far too often. He's an offensive talent who could blow up like Zibanejad did here... but I was looking for a 2way center.

IF Monahan is acquired, IMO Chytil cant be a 3C unless he makes major strides defensively. He had a taste of the PK and I think he could develop into a really valuable workhorse. How long would it take? 38% Faceoff is atrocious

 

[Leetch3]

I would not be opposed at all to qualifying PDG. Thought he played very well and would give us some insurance as a 13th forward. Probably going to need even more depth than usual this year with COVID and the NHL really wanting to squeeze in the 82 game schedule, meaning more back to backs and more physical toll on the body

agreed. he isn't great but you need cheap depth. whether he is the 13th forward or you try to pass him thru waivers to be a vet in hartford until needed.

 

[kovazub94]

Did you miss the post when he suggested Monahan AND Hanifan?

Yes, lol. I have a difficult time catching up to posting speed of this board.

 

[Ghost of jas]

A lot of people I've talked, including outside the Rangers, think Calgary is a good fit for us.

The real question is how big does either team dare to go --- especially right now.

It's hard because sometimes you have teams circling each other for a long time, and they come really, really close to a deal, but there's a hesitation from one or both sides and the deal literally dies on the one yard line.

Calgary and the Rangers are close, very close. We'll see if they can get something across the goal line. Maybe they end up kicking a field goal for right now. We'll see.

I just did a search on Monahan and the first item that came up is should the Flames give up Monahan for Dumba, since they have interest in Dumba, which tells me they're looking for a young RD. I guess this begs the question if the Flames are also interested in DeAngelo.

 

[Tob]

Read Gorton and JD speak to the media today so that may give some clues

Howden in the library with the lead pipe.

 

[Edge]

We know NYR's motivation for seeking young LD & Center targets, what is Calgary's motivation for trading them? What are they looking for in return?

Powerplay help, a youngish RD, a wing who isn't a more enticing center option, and a bit of a shake-up among other potential desires.

You're also going to have teams looking to cut some costs, without going the firesale approach. And if you can shave $2 million of your roster, without feeling like you downgraded, there's a potential hook.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think this deal would depend on what we can parlay Strome into.

Two 2nds from Ottawa.

 

[bobbop]

Monahan makes $6.375 AAV for the next 3 years
Lindholm makes $4.85 AAV for the next 4 years

Much prefer Lindholm. Of course I know he may not be on the table. I guess it all depends on price for Monahan

I feel that Lindholm is an undervalued asset and Monaghan is an overpriced asset. Lindholm fits the needs of this team better than Monahan. Monahan also makes it more likely Strome is headed out of town.

If the Rangers get Monahan, I’m just going to have to be convinced.

 

[kovazub94]

Like I said, I think he could get better offers elsewhere. Maybe a more, shorter term deal. Maybe a longer term, similar money offer.

He might be best suited signing with the contending team for a year and wait for the finances in the league to hopeful become a bit more normalized.

Well, if one-year is an option I’d be all ears.

 

[Trxjw]

I also think we have to be mindful of the concept of "the perfect" getting in the way of the quest for "the better."

The Rangers aren't going to have perfect solutions for every roster spot right now. They will however pursue options that make them "better" overall.

And some of those options might be here two years, or three years. Maybe we get lucky and they're here for 6 or 7 years.

But not every option is going to be for the 23 year old blue chip talent, or result in having a potential all-star in every position.

It might mean someone like Dillon holding down the fort for 3 or 4 years, and potentially sliding down as younger guys emerge.

It might mean Hanifin for a while.

It might mean Monahan or Lindholm as second line centers over Strome, and then moving Strome for picks or prospects in other areas.

It's not always going to be the quest for Eichel, or Theodore, or Nylander.

Well said. The team thus far has done an excellent job of making sure the younger guys aren't forced into roles they aren't ready for. There have been some pleasant surprises as well as some disappointments but nothing to the effect of being terribly detrimental to the overall product.

Much easier to rotate a guy like Reunanen in and out of the lineup on the 3rd pairing than it is to try and fit him into the 1st pairing because you've exhausted your other options. Even if a Hanafin/Dillon - Trouba pair gets shelled every night, at least it's not some kid having his confidence destroyed.

If gives the team the flexibility to experiment and maybe get lucky in the process.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Powerplay help, a youngish RD, a wing who isn't a more enticing center option, and a bit of a shake-up among other potential desires.

You're also going to have teams looking to cut some costs, without going the firesale approach. And if you can shave $2 million of your roster, without feeling like you downgraded, there's a potential hook.

You've also disclosed that the Flames have shown interest in Hajek and Andersson.

 

[Leetch3]

I’m less concerned about money for Fasr and more concerned about usage. Is he coming back to play on the second line? Cause that’s a joke and blocking Kakko.

if he’s coming back to play bottom 6 eventually 4th line then ok let’s see if he can fit

if fast comes back and Kakko can't beat him out for that top 6 spot, the problem isn't fast. over the years fast has ended up higher in the lineup because other players didn't get the job done. I don't think he has ever been the primary option for that role.

 

[Matt4776]

Obviously I’d wait to judge a deal based on what the final price is, but price being equal, I’d much prefer Lindholm to Monahan.

 

[duhmetreE]

What would Hanafin cost?
What would Hanafin + Monahan cost?
I'm open to both if it makes sense. But I don't want to do it just to make a trade.
Buch for Hanafin?

Buch 100%
Kravtsov? Hajek? Lias? Georgiev? Strome? #22? I dont think ADA is involved

 

[Chytilmania]

Two 2nds from Ottawa.

Let's pretend something like Buch + ADA for Hanafin + Monahan....Strome for 2nd+, maybe two 2nds.
What the hell would the draft look like then? I guess just swing for the fences? Trade 22 and both 2nds and get as high up as possible?

 

[UnSandvich]

Really don't want Monahan. We need an upgrade on Strome defensively, not offensively.

 

[Polar Bear]

I feel that Lindholm is an undervalued asset and Monaghan is an overpriced asset. Lindholm fits the needs of this team better than Monahan. Monahan also makes it more likely Strome is headed out of town.

If the Rangers get Monahan, I’m just going to have to be convinced.

CGY probably rather move Monahan on his salary than Lindholm. Takes two to tango.

 

[Trxjw]

A lot of people I've talked, including outside the Rangers, think Calgary is a good fit for us.

The real question is how big does either team dare to go --- especially right now.

It's hard because sometimes you have teams circling each other for a long time, and they come really, really close to a deal, but there's a hesitation from one or both sides and the deal literally dies on the one yard line.

Calgary and the Rangers are close, very close. We'll see if they can get something across the goal line. Maybe they end up kicking a field goal for right now. We'll see.

Stands to reason that both teams would probably like to be done and settled before free agency as well. Calgary probably wants to know if Hall / Pietrangelo will be needs or just options. Rangers will want to know where they need to shop to fill newly created holes in the lineup.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I feel that Lindholm is an undervalued asset and Monaghan is an overpriced asset. Lindholm fits the needs of this team better than Monahan. Monahan also makes it more likely Strome is headed out of town.

If the Rangers get Monahan, I’m just going to have to be convinced.

Which is probably the Flames would be hesitant to give him up. There was also a lot of chatter on Sirius/XM NHL Network Radio that the Flames could move Monahan as part of a shakeup. There's been nothing on Lindholm. Both would be an improvement on Strome, IMO.

 

[duhmetreE]

IF ADA is involved... it better be Lindholm.

 

[Edge]

You've also disclosed that the Flames have shown interest in Hajek and Andersson.

Correct. They are potential components in any deal as well.

I also would not be shocked if both teams have at least mentioned swapping firsts.