Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Savant]

But, there's also a reason the Rangers could want in. In Calgary, he was the #1 center. He's not being asked to do that if he comes here. He's anywhere from, at best 3 to potentially 5 or 6 in the pecking order, meaning he won't have the burdens he had in Calgary.

Maybe? I mean I think most of us would be lying if we said we watched a lot of Calgary. I tend to think that if they are willing to move there 1C, that’s enough of a red flag for me.

 

[Savant]

The only question I have is that, Strome, while he has his warts, is more of an offensive guy and just was on pace for 69 points over an 82 game season playing with Panarin. He could, more than likely, be signed for 3-4 years at less than that Monahan makes. If the plan was to get better at things Strome is deficient at I could understand it but it would seem like the team is looking at a guy who would come in and be strong at things Strome is strong at already. Granted face-offs, size, physical play all lean towards Monahan but he will also cost assets and have a more expensive contract.

I don’t think they want to give Strome a multi year deal. Which is fine. They sell high and manage the asset.

 

[Edge]

Upgrade on Strome, that I believe for sure, BUT

I do not like hearing Chytils name thrown into this mix.

(Also, props @Edge for the reply).

To the best of my knowledge, I don't think Chytil has been discussed thus far by the teams. I'm wondering if board members are including him as to not create a hole on the right wing by trading Buch.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think you are massively over valuing our players. If Buchnevich could get a first he would have been gone already.

Why are we trading a roster player for a pick? I don’t think you’re actually taking into account if that actually makes sense for us. No, we wouldn’t trade Buch for like the 25th pick lmao

 

[Fireonk]

Monahan trade scares me. With presumably Strome out the door we end up with back to back years where our 1C and then our 2C will be up for UFA and who knows how much cap space after we have to resign all of our young guys. Pretty big risk to give up someone like ADA for an offensive minded player, when we already have a lot of offensive talent, and be potentially in a real tough spot in a couple years getting everyone signed.

Lindholm with his extra year and smaller cap hit seem like a much better fit to me. I would rather overpay for him than do a "fair" trade for Monahan.

 

[Trxjw]

Late getting to the party here.

Where is the Monahan talk coming from?

@Edge throwing meat to the hyenas.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Maybe? I mean I think most of us would be lying if we said we watched a lot of Calgary. I tend to think that if they are willing to move there 1C, that’s enough of a red flag for me.

You have to have trust in your leadership if you're willing make a move in that instance. If the Rangers do make the deal, that will speak volumes.

 

[Rongomania]

To the best of my knowledge, I don't think Chytil has been discussed thus far by the teams. I'm wondering if board members are including him as to not create a hole on the right wing by trading Buch.

Yeah, I just don't think he seems like a guy the Rangers are ready to give up on. It's there in him and the kid is surrounded by primo offensive talent ...

 

[duhmetreE]

The only question I have is that, Strome, while he has his warts, is more of an offensive guy and just was on pace for 69 points over an 82 game season playing with Panarin. He could, more than likely, be signed for 3-4 years at less than that Monahan makes. If the plan was to get better at things Strome is deficient at I could understand it but it would seem like the team is looking at a guy who would come in and be strong at things Strome is strong at already. Granted face-offs, size, physical play all lean towards Monahan but he will also cost assets and have a more expensive contract.

My initial concerns as well. We need a 2-way PKing center... but to be fair, Zibs wasn't that when he was acquired

Offensively, Monahan is the superior talent ( compared to Strome ). Maybe they feel there's more juice that can be squeezed out? He has question marks but using Zibs as an example again, he has taken major, major leaps in work ethic, conditioning and defensive play. Maybe they view Monahan as another Zibs-type candidate?

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I dont see how Hanifin and Dillon are interchangeable, but it at least makes it simple to track. If Dillon signs then the deal goes through basically. It just sucks because there are so many factors in play that the deal cant get done. @Edge do you feel that there is a plan for different trades? Monahan + Hanifin, just Monahan, just Hanifin, pick swap. Different scenarios? Also im guessing we're looking at Buch + Deangelo?

 

[Chytilmania]

Maybe? I mean I think most of us would be lying if we said we watched a lot of Calgary. I tend to think that if they are willing to move there 1C, that’s enough of a red flag for me.

Or it's a knee jerk reaction to sucking in the playoffs and the Rangers take advantage?
Monahan won't have to be the guy here. Pressure is off.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I have zero interest in Monahan. I’d rather ride the year out with Strome and Tony

There’s a reason Calgary is looking to move Monahan

 

[Anthony5967]

I think you are massively over valuing our players. If Buchnevich could get a first he would have been gone already.

Kapanen just went for a first. I don't buy what you're saying. Just because he can get a first doesn't mean the NYR want to move the guy.

 

[Ghost of jas]

My initial concerns as well. We need a 2-way PKing center... but to be fair, Zibs wasn't that when he was acquired

Offensively, Monahan is the superior talent ( compared to Strome ). Maybe they feel there's more juice that can be squeezed out? He has question marks but using Zibs as an example again, he has taken major, major leaps in work ethic, conditioning and defensive play. Maybe they view Monahan as another Zibs-type candidate?

The other factor is that Strome wasn't at Monahan's level when we acquired him.

 

[Cag29]

Hanafin-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist

Shesty

Holy Jesus

Robertson and Jones as well.

 

[Edge]

The only question I have is that, Strome, while he has his warts, is more of an offensive guy and just was on pace for 69 points over an 82 game season playing with Panarin. He could, more than likely, be signed for 3-4 years at less than that Monahan makes. If the plan was to get better at things Strome is deficient at I could understand it but it would seem like the team is looking at a guy who would come in and be strong at things Strome is strong at already. Granted face-offs, size, physical play all lean towards Monahan but he will also cost assets and have a more expensive contract.

I think Strome's next contract would probably close that gap little bit. I also think it could be about style.

Strome is roughly a 15-20 goal player in our lineup --- heavy on the assists.

The Rangers could be interesting in finding a guy who is closer to that 25-30 goal type, maybe even 35 in a lineup like ours.

It could also be reasoned that the Rangers feel Monahan is a better investment to stay at his current level, and retain value than Strome is.

There's a significant gap there between Strome and Monahan.

The former is a guy who never scored more than 50 points before finding his niche with the Rangers this past season. The latter is a guy who has been firmly in the 30 goal 60 point range for the last half-decade.

 

[TheDirtyH]

one thing that's been as constant as his numbers since he came into the league is Johnny Hockey on his wing. I've never been sold on Monahan as much of a talent on offense, personally. also, he so freaking slow...

I would be so disappointed if we traded for him. a waste of assets for a player who is essentially just Ryan Strome if Ryan Strome had played his whole career centering Panarin rather than just last year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Monahan doesn't do anything defensively.

Yes he scores goals, but we do that already.

Hanifin would be a disaster add.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think Strome's next contract would probably close that gap little bit. I also think it could be about style.

Strome is roughly a 15-20 goal player in our lineup --- heavy on the assists.

The Rangers could be interesting in finding a guy who is closer to that 25-30 goal type, maybe even 35 in a lineup like ours.

It could also be reasoned that the Rangers feel Monahan is a better investment to stay at his current level, and retain value than Strome is.

There's a significant gap there between Strome and Monahan.

The former is a guy who never scored more than 50 points before finding his niche with the Rangers this past season. The latter is a guy who has been firmly in the 30 goal 60 point range for the last half-decade.

Who is now cost-controlled.

 

[Edge]

I dont see how Hanifin and Dillon are interchangeable, but it at least makes it simple to track. If Dillon signs then the deal goes through basically. It just sucks because there are so many factors in play that the deal cant get done. @Edge do you feel that there is a plan for different trades? Monahan + Hanifin, just Monahan, just Hanifin, pick swap. Different scenarios? Also im guessing we're looking at Buch + Deangelo?

I think all kinds of combinations and sizes are on the table as possibility.

 

[Rongomania]

I think Strome's next contract would probably close that gap little bit. I also think it could be about style.

Strome is roughly a 15-20 goal player in our lineup --- heavy on the assists.

The Rangers could be interesting in finding a guy who is closer to that 25-30 goal type, maybe even 35 in a lineup like ours.

It could also be reasoned that the Rangers feel Monahan is a better investment to stay at his current level, and retain value than Strome is.

There's a significant gap there between Strome and Monahan.

The former is a guy who never scored more than 50 points before finding his niche with the Rangers this past season. The latter is a guy who has been firmly in the 30 goal 60 point range for the last half-decade.

A 60 pt 25 yr old RD pp qb has got to have more worth more than a defensively inept 30/30 2C no?

 

[Karen Panarin]

What are we thinking Dillon gets for his next contract?

 

[IDvsEGO]

one thing that's been as constant as his numbers since he came into the league is Johnny Hockey on his wing. I've never been sold on Monahan as much of a talent on offense, personally. also, he so freaking slow...

I would be so disappointed if we traded for him. a waste of assets for a player who is essentially just Ryan Strome if Ryan Strome had played his whole career centering Panarin rather than just last year.

Yeah but if we're talking about Monahan as a replacement for strome then we're talking about essentially upgrading his linemates from johnny gaudreau to panarin.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The only question I have is that, Strome, while he has his warts, is more of an offensive guy and just was on pace for 69 points over an 82 game season playing with Panarin. He could, more than likely, be signed for 3-4 years at less than that Monahan makes. If the plan was to get better at things Strome is deficient at I could understand it but it would seem like the team is looking at a guy who would come in and be strong at things Strome is strong at already. Granted face-offs, size, physical play all lean towards Monahan but he will also cost assets and have a more expensive contract.

Not much more expensive, and locked in through the flat cap. Also, he's at least one tier above Strome offensively, IMO – I'd be surprised if he doesn't revert to PPG+ here. Honestly, if someone had told the board we could have Monohan any year prior to suffering his down year last year, 90% of us would have been doing backflips.

Given the various collection of attributes for each player (including their contracts), I like both Lindhom and Monohan pretty much equally, but for different reasons.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I find it very funny that a washington free agent is holding up a potential blockbuster trade between two unrelated teams.