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Miller would be an upgrade, but woth his reputation I'm very glad he nixed it. Chemistry can be an important attribute for a team and Miller tends to be an outsized douchebag wherever he plays.
 
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I don’t care what anyone says, I’m disappointed we couldn’t get Miller. Yeah his attitude might suck, but the chances of being able to acquire PPG or even PPG+ centers for relatively low cost are few and far between.
JTM would be coming to a team that’s won before, and that has several very good players, all of whom are incredibly hard working and dedicated to their sport.

Instead we’re over here crossing our fingers for Pavel Zacha.
 
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So either that Lavoie report is incorrect or cMac traded Rantanen without first getting iron clad proof JT Miller would waive for Colorado? It'd be so moronic of him, I could actually see it being true. But I have to admit, that means cMac took a legit big swing at a true top six center. That shows he knows what the problem is, he's just failing time and time again to fix it.

Unfortunately, that was the last one left before the deadline and we're screwed.

If anything this ups my belief they get Seth Jones now. They've done this before, if they can't have the forwards they want they'll bolster the defense and hope for a miracle. Colorado needs less retention in a Jones trade, has better draft picks to offer, and I bet if you put a gun to Jones' head he'd pick Colorado with his dad and Sakic over going to f***ing Texas.
 
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Ararana said:
If anything this ups my belief they get Seth Jones now. They've done this before, if they can't have the forwards they want they'll bolster the defense and hope for a miracle. Colorado needs less retention in a Jones trade, has better draft picks to offer, and I bet if you put a gun to Jones' head he'd pick Colorado with his dad and Sakic over going to f***ing Texas.
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I bet you he wouldn’t, since Texas is literally home for him and where he goes when the season finishes.

Born in Texas. Moved back to Texas at 12 years old from Denver. Texas remains home for him in the offseason.
 
Ararana said:
If anything this ups my belief they get Seth Jones now. They've done this before, if they can't have the forwards they want they'll bolster the defense and hope for a miracle. Colorado needs less retention in a Jones trade, has better draft picks to offer, and I bet if you put a gun to Jones' head he'd pick Colorado with his dad and Sakic over going to f***ing Texas.
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Chicago’s ownership is notoriously cheap and resents every dime they have to pay.

The retention here is the key. Chicago would possibly give away assets if anyone would take Jones’ full contract just so they don’t have to pay him. That’s not going to happen given Jones’ NTC though (at least not until offseason).

So the ultimate questions are: (1) does Chicago think it’s possible they could get somebody to take the full contract in the offseason; and (2) if CHI’s actually willing to retain some $$, what’s the amount we have to be at to offset the assets dallas is offering?
 
Ararana said:
So either that Lavoie report is incorrect or cMac traded Rantanen without first getting iron clad proof JT Miller would waive for Colorado? It'd be so moronic of him, I could actually see it being true. But I have to admit, that means cMac took a legit big swing at a true top six center. That shows he knows what the problem is, he's just failing time and time again to fix it.

Unfortunately, that was the last one left before the deadline and we're screwed.

If anything this ups my belief they get Seth Jones now. They've done this before, if they can't have the forwards they want they'll bolster the defense and hope for a miracle. Colorado needs less retention in a Jones trade, has better draft picks to offer, and I bet if you put a gun to Jones' head he'd pick Colorado with his dad and Sakic over going to f***ing Texas.
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I'd put my money on a mis-translation or basically the context being lost in translation
 
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Chicago’s ownership is notoriously cheap and resents every dime they have to pay.

The retention here is the key. Chicago would possibly give away assets if anyone would take Jones’ full contract just so they don’t have to pay him. That’s not going to happen given Jones’ NTC though (at least not until offseason).

So the ultimate questions are: (1) does Chicago think it’s possible they could get somebody to take the full contract in the offseason; and (2) if CHI’s actually willing to retain some $$, what’s the amount we have to be at to offset the assets dallas is offering?
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I'm not familiar with Dallas' prospect pool at all, but I thought I read last night that Chicago wanted NHL ready players if they trade Jones. Maybe they could be enticed with a mostly-kinda-somewhat ready Calum Ritchie and a few picks?
 
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15. Whenever the time comes for Seth Jones, the Blackhawks are not interested in a futures deal. They need youngish players ready to make an impact now.
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Outside of Ritchie and maybe Malinski, the Avs don't have much of those to send to Chicago. Maybe you could argue Mittelstadt, but then they'd definitely have to go find another 2C at the deadline as well.
 
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The other point about Jones that hasn't been discussed, and hasn't been talked about nearly as much because the Avs have been very average since the cup run... is that this built is still built from the backend for Bednar's system to succeed.

Jones has all the skills needed to excel in Bednar's system. He can skate, decent puck retrieval, and can make a quick and smart outlet pass. The difference in puck-moving ability when we had Makar, Toews, G, and Byram ripping the puck up the ice to what we have now is night and day.

Jones goes a long ways to fixing that issue as we'll have another defenseman out there for 20+ minutes a night.
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The question is can we even afford Jones. We might need to give up Colton or Mitts. Not sure if Chicago will take some money back for free too so that we can fit Jones under our salary cap.
 
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Outside of Ritchie and maybe Malinski, the Avs don't have much of those to send to Chicago. Maybe you could argue Mittelstadt, but then they'd definitely have to go find another 2C at the deadline as well.
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Malinski, Mittelstadt, Wood+Pick(s) <> Jones
Kylington+Pick(s) <> Nelson (50%)

Leaves Colorado with $2.41M in cap space, even if Chicago doesn't retain a dime. :freddie:
 
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I don’t care what anyone says, I’m disappointed we couldn’t get Miller. Yeah his attitude might suck, but the chances of being able to acquire PPG or even PPG+ centers for relatively low cost are few and far between.
JTM would be coming to a team that’s won before, and that has several very good players, all of whom are incredibly hard working and dedicated to their sport.

Instead we’re over here crossing our fingers for Pavel Zacha.
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Exactly. These guys rarely move and if they move they usually had some problem with the current team. That's reason why they were traded. If you buy them while everything is happy happy and going well, it's insanely costly or impossible.

That's how we got Kadri too. Basically Leafs had too many centers. Quality ones. That's how Colorado lost first Stastny then Duchene and O'Reilly too. Pretty insane amount of talent lost from a position which was first our strength.
 
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Outside of Ritchie and maybe Malinski, the Avs don't have much of those to send to Chicago. Maybe you could argue Mittelstadt, but then they'd definitely have to go find another 2C at the deadline as well.
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Center market is death. Mitts himself is one of the hottest commodities, which shows how bad the situation is.

So if you trade now Mitts for potentially good return, you won't have a "#2" center.

It's a bit of dilemma. There's no good available centers so in that sense we could get good value for Mitts but also means we can't find any sort of replacement for him, so we would have to ride rest of the season Drury as the #2 center haha. Which means game over.

But it's true. It's a good point to sell Mitts. Probably the highest price we can get is now even with his struggles. The market is brutal and many teams desperate..

Also I would add:

I don't think market sees Mitts as lowly as the Avalanche fans. He was Buffalos best center(or second) and put up good points before and did decently with Avalanche last season. Change of scenery trade. Simple as that. I think we undervalue him based on his current play for our team.

Mitts is a bad fit with us, but it doesn't mean he would be terrible fit for every team. I think he is a good player.
 
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Friedman said a few weeks ago that the reason Mittelstadt’s name is out there is because of conversations they had with Vancouver about Miller.

Maybe Mittelstadt isn’t really being shopped. Maybe it all stems from that one trade attempt. If the right deal comes along I’m sure they’ll entertain things but I don’t think they trade him just for the sake of trading him. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he’s still on the roster beyond next Friday.
 
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