Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

FlamesNation player evaluation: Noah Hanifin

Nice summary of his play. He struggled when paired with Hamonic, but flourished when paired with Andersson. Was kinda a tale of two different Hanifin's this year.

This is good info. It makes sense he struggled with Hamonic because Hamonic is f***ing awful.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Call me crazy, but the way you describe his play, it sounds like he would be one hell of a winger, if need be. Panarin - Chytil - Monahan sounds like a power line that could produce a lot of goals.

Or, hear me out here, but that sounds like one hell of a center for a team that appears like it will soon have two play-driving wingers...

 

[Ghost of jas]

Dragging this back up but it's interesting that he was on the line with Strome and Panarin and they each had career years offensively...I'm not normally a fan of playing a guy like him in that situation but I think he managed to help facilitate the offense of those two by doing the dirty work, helping that line forecheck, etc, even if he didn't put in a ton of points himself.

but honestly nah you don't need and never will have a team that's full of great offensive players who can all put the puck in the net all the time, you need some guys like Fast who are well rounded players who do a lot of other things well even if they don't score a lot. So no, I do like Fast! He's a good player.

Maybe not worth a big contract good, but still...

Monohan seems pretty good offensively and is a big body, I assume the main issue is he sucks defensively?

Regardless of whether Lindholm or Monohan, if the Rangers trade for a center like that then Strome is 100% on his way out. Can't pay him AND trade for a center like that.

I'd be in for Hanifan. Like others said, he doesn't have to be the end game solution at 1 LD, but he's young and can still improve, can still play top 4 minutes, decent contract. He'd "hold down the fort" fine and maybe you get something better out of the deal as well.

The fascinating idea about trading with Calgary in something like this is the Rangers could potentially address their two biggest issues in a decent way by grabbing a 2C and LD to solidify that side if they're mostly giving up a RD and a RW which they can afford to do.

Exactly.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'll say this:

ADA is the best player from this past season in the entire deal. Hanifan and Monahan both had 'meh' seasons. Am I WAY off-base here in saying that ADA alone should have that value almost unto himself? Would the Rangers really have to move both ADA and Buch to get Hanifan and Monahan? It seems more like a ADA + ______ for Monahan + Hanifan where the + is someone like Lemieux, Andersson, Howden, etc than that player being Buch. Maybe that + is Strome himself.

 

[TominNC]

I have zero interest in Monahan. I’d rather ride the year out with Strome and Tony

There’s a reason Calgary is looking to move Monahan

Must be a reason the Rangers are looking to acquire Monahan. Why assume the other guys are smarter?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Monahan stinks on the defensive side of the puck, why wouldn't you just keep Strome at the lower price for a year and kick the can down the road

This place (myself included) tears Strome apart for being only offense but drooling over Monahan who is the same type of player except will chip in an extra 15 points?

Makes no sense to me

 

[TheDirtyH]

Also, how much of that is Monohan playing with Gaudreau...

...and how much is it Gaudreau playing with Monohan?

Their careers line up pretty much exactly.

IDK how much you've seen of Calgary, but I was living on the West Coast and bc I was a huge BC fan as a kid I watched a ton of them to watch Gaudreau. Their numbers both live or die by Johnny's play.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Strome is a much better playmaker and setup man than Monahan is, does that not count? I'm talking about total impact on the ice.

We have plenty of players who lean towards passing. Monahan gives us a much needed goal scorer. We basically have Zibanejad and that’s about it. Stylistically he is a much better fit for this roster than Strome, and I think if we pull this trade off people are gonna be like “did I actually think Strome was close to this guy”

 

[gravey9]

I dont know about that.

I think ADA for Hanifin is a fairish swap. ADA had a great year but he'd have to do it again this year for his value to be solidified. We take our #3RHD and turn it into an extremely talented #1LHD. ( #1 meaing he'd be our #1LHD on the depth chart )

Buch vs Monahan, Monahan is more valuable. They're the same age and Monahan has achieved A LOT more than Buch.

Monahan MAY be a better fit because of the way he might compliment the high end talent. BUT, he's not particularly fast. He's okay on FOs. Not known for D. Not really a play driver on offensive. He's much more of a complimentary player. And for a big body, he's not really a presence out there. If he's not attaached at the hip to top offensive wingers -- what would he be?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Monahan is a complimentary forward on a line. He basically goes to the front of the net and waits for a rebound or pass. For a center, he really doesn't nec drive play the way you'd expect. It's amazing how often for a guy his size he sorta hides out in the offensive zone and sneaks behind defenders and waits for a pass. We'd be bringing him because we are convinced our wings will be driving the play. This is going to sound misleading, but he looks like a bigger Lias Andersson who is more adjusted to the NA game. His first step isn't great. I guess my concern with him is, what do you do with him if Chytil takes over 2C?

That's the kind of player the Rangers need given they have lots of line drivers on the wings, no?

 

[Avery16]

People are down on Monahan but I think he'd actually be a good fit as the 2C and think he makes more sense than Strome.

Mika-Monahan-Chytil down the middle for the top 9 could be tremendous for the contending window.

I'd really want Lindholm but I don't think Calgary wants to move him.

More sense than Strome is kind of a low bar, and Monahan costs more than twice as much as what we would QO Strome at.

 

[True Blue]

Strome sucks. Monahan doesn’t.

Only so much sucking as he was trending to 70 points.

 

[Avery16]

ADA and Buch are better than Monahan and Hanafin. That's the problem. And combined M&H still may make more money after Buch and ADA have new deals. We would need a third asset coming back.

Or just a better first two assets.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And adding a player like Monahan continues in Gorton’s approach to making this a heavier team to play against (as opposed to more physical)

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

And don't get me started on Hanifan

I would welcome him because he's an upgrade on what we got but this place would hate him like Skjei after 10 games

 

[Rangeri]

I've watched lots of Flames games, because I've always liked them from Canada, and usually when I wake up their game have been rolling before I go to work(because the time zone). And I can say Monahan is so soft. Not good at all defensively. Yes if he is on rhythm he can put puck in the net, but man he just don't commit enough to be a Center, and guy just disappears for the longest times. Flames fans are so annoyed about his efforts in the Center position they would more likely to see him play wing. Yes, sometimes new environment can change things, but in this case I truly think his commitment will never translate to be a good enough 2C

Lindholm is different case. But even Treliving knows this, and I'm pretty sure he is off the table.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

And adding a player like Monahan continues in Gorton’s approach to making this a heavier team to play against (as opposed to more physical)

And would be getting younger (at least over Strome).

 

[Flames Fanatic]

This is good info. It makes sense he struggled with Hamonic because Hamonic is f***ing awful.

Which is kinda funny cause last year they were solid as hell 2nd pairing. Not sad to see Hamonic on ice go.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Monahan stinks on the defensive side of the puck, why wouldn't you just keep Strome at the lower price for a year and kick the can down the road

This place (myself included) tears Strome apart for being only offense but drooling over Monahan who is the same type of player except will chip in an extra 15 points?

Makes no sense to me

Strome also has a mean streak something Monahan does not and something this team will need if someone wants to take shots at Kakko Chytil etc, not talking about a Reaves guy but someone who can be on the ice when something like that like Crouse from Coyotes for example, or Kassian if Oilers want to move him or someone like Domi who I think the Rangers should take a chance on and would be cheaper option than Monahan who is good but overrated. Id take Lindholm over Monahan

 

[Trxjw]

I'll say this:

ADA is the best player from this past season in the entire deal. Hanifan and Monahan both had 'meh' seasons. Am I WAY off-base here in saying that ADA alone should have that value almost unto himself? Would the Rangers really have to move both ADA and Buch to get Hanifan and Monahan? It seems more like a ADA + ______ for Monahan + Hanifan where the + is someone like Lemieux, Andersson, Howden, etc than that player being Buch. Maybe that + is Strome himself.

Well I can't imagine either team is just looking at one year for these players. Had Monahan and Hanafin not regressed they likely wouldn't even be available. 18 months ago these guys were untouchable, franchise cornerstones in Calgary. Then the team has a setback year and gets bounced early in the playoffs once again and suddenly there's a change of tune.

The Rangers could very well feel like they're selling high on an asset in ADA they don't see as a long-term piece while buying low on two guys who they feel like can be elite contributors for them because they fit perfectly into the slots they have open for them.

 

[gravey9]

We have plenty of players who lean towards passing. Monahan gives us a much needed goal scorer. We basically have Zibanejad and that’s about it. Stylistically he is a much better fit for this roster than Strome, and I think if we pull this trade off people are gonna be like “did I actually think Strome was close to this guy”

Go watch Monahan's goals. They're not he snipe variety. theyre the garbage around the net variety. Majority of his goals are around the next. Rebounds, passes to the net front. 5' goals. Not 30 ft goals.

One thing that made Panarin work well with Strome in the regular season was they scored a lot off the rush. If Panarin plays with Monahan and Kakko, you're not giving Panarin anyone that can keep up with him. That line combo would need to change.

 

[gravey9]

That's the kind of player the Rangers need given they have lots of line drivers on the wings, no?

possibly. But we also need a Center who play D if you have wingers flying up the ice.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Does Hanafin prevent goals?

over our current LD options, absolutely.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't think I am going to understand or like much of what the Rangers do this off-season.

They seem to be looking at accelerating their rebuild right into a retool as soon as possible.

 

[True Blue]

And adding a player like Monahan continues in Gorton’s approach to making this a heavier team to play against (as opposed to more physical)

I got the sense that he wants the size and sandpaper.

I am actually with those that do not think that Monahan instead of Strome really would be a material difference.