Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[Ghost of jas]

Go watch Monahan's goals. They're not he snipe variety. theyre the garbage around the net variety. Majority of his goals are around the next. Rebounds, passes to the net front. 5' goals. Not 30 ft goals.

One thing that made Panarin work well with Strome in the regular season was they scored a lot off the rush. If Panarin plays with Monahan and Kakko, you're not giving Panarin anyone that can keep up with him. That line combo would need to change.

So, you put Panarin with Zibanejad, Lafreniere with Monahan and Kreider with Chytil at even strength. There are a lot of options.

 

[RangersFan1994]

any chance the Rangers look into Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and does Edmonton move him. he was been rumored for a while on the trade block. not that I want him, just throwing a name out there

 

[True Blue]

I don't think I am going to understand or like much of what the Rangers do this off-season.

They seem to be looking at accelerating their rebuild right into a retool as soon as possible.

Look at how they changed the entire roster. It is very much a rebuild. But yeah, getting Kakko and Laferreinre in back to back years certainly accelerates it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well I can't imagine either team is just looking at one year for these players. Had Monahan and Hanafin not regressed they likely wouldn't even be available. 18 months ago these guys were untouchable, franchise cornerstones in Calgary. Then the team has a setback year and gets bounced early in the playoffs once again and suddenly there's a change of tune.

The Rangers could very well feel like they're selling high on an asset in ADA they don't see as a long-term piece while buying low on two guys who they feel like can be elite contributors for them because they fit perfectly into the slots they have open for them.

This is entirely possible and of course more than likely probable as teams look at the entire landscape of data they have on the players. I'm just somewhat concerned about moving on from a premier RD and one of the better complimentary wingers in the league for a couple of guys who did not perform well very recently. I'd be much more comfortable selling high on Strome + ADA than Buch + ADA.

 

[TheDirtyH]

We have plenty of players who lean towards passing. Monahan gives us a much needed goal scorer. We basically have Zibanejad and that’s about it. Stylistically he is a much better fit for this roster than Strome, and I think if we pull this trade off people are gonna be like “did I actually think Strome was close to this guy”

Kreider and Panarin paced for 31 and 38 goals respectively.

I don't even like Strome but Monahan is really a minor upgrade at a potentially major price tag.

 

[Edge]

A 60 pt 25 yr old RD pp qb has got to have more worth more than a defensively inept 30/30 2C no?

I think ADA's value is very good.

I'm not quite sure it's as high as some of our fans believe. And I say that somewhat hesitantly because I feel like the value some have in their mind is kind of...fuzzy.

In other words, I think people know what they don't want, but they don't necessarily know what they do want.

 

[RGY]

Regardless if someone is a fan of Monahan or not, he is absolutely an upgrade to Strome productivity wise and he is an actual Center....

Monahan has taken 9,300 Faceoffs with success rate of 50.3%

Comparatively, Strome has taken only 3,600 Faceoffs while being 45.9%.

 

[ecemleafs]

following these threads are a pain in the ass. need the 1st post to be updated with legit rumors (edge, mckenzie, etc) so i can avoid surfin through 20 pages to find it lol

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think ADA's value is very good.

I'm not quite sure it's as high as some of our fans believe. And I say that somewhat hesitantly because I feel like the value some have in their is kind of...fuzzy.

In other words, I think people know what they don't want, but they don't necessarily know what they do want.

This is such a perfect way to put it, I was just trying to think of how I’d describe it.

people here certainly know what they don’t want, that’s for sure

 

[Ghost of jas]

This is entirely possible and of course more than likely probable as teams look at the entire landscape of data they have on the players. I'm just somewhat concerned about moving on from a premier RD and one of the better complimentary wingers in the league for a couple of guys who did not perform well very recently. I'd be much more comfortable selling high on Strome + ADA than Buch + ADA.

It’s about balancing the roster. And again, I suspect the Rangers view both Monahan and Hanifan differently than we do on the board. All we’ve been discussing this off-season has been whether or not the Rangers are going to address 2C and Trouba’s partner. It’s easy to see where the Rangers could believe this deal solves both of those issues in one fell swoop. And, as @Edge has repeatedly stressed, players are going to be moved that many fans are not going to be happy about giving up.

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is entirely possible and of course more than likely probable as teams look at the entire landscape of data they have on the players. I'm just somewhat concerned about moving on from a premier RD and one of the better complimentary wingers in the league for a couple of guys who did not perform well very recently. I'd be much more comfortable selling high on Strome + ADA than Buch + ADA.

Ada is a potential premier RD, and also in line to be our 3rd RD. Fox may not have out produced him, but the expectation is that Fox will in 20-21, and as such can you really afford a 5-6m 3rd pair guy?
If we lock up ada and then he puts up 30 points because he's not getting powerplay time, and he's got smith as a partner and their pinned in their own zone the whole time, how quickly will the board riot and say we should've sold high then?

 

[NYR Viper]

I think ADA's value is very good.

I'm not quite sure it's as high as some of our fans believe. And I say that somewhat hesitantly because I feel like the value some have in their mind is kind of...fuzzy.

In other words, I think people know what they don't want, but they don't necessarily know what they do want.

Am I way off base in saying that if the deal is:

ADA + Buch for Monahan + Hanifan

That I would be expecting an add coming from Calgary, not the Rangers?

 

[Leetch3]

it still remains a huge question of who is going to kill penalties especially if we can't resign fast and trade strome and replace him with a guy that doesn't play on the pk...not that strome is known for his defense but strome and fast were our top 2 forwards in short handed icetime. so we could have to replace both...not to mention the ideal scenario of limiting mika's time doing it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would be disgusted with the trade above.

If we want to become harder to play against, Hanifin accomplished the opposite of that.

 

[Edge]

I don't think I am going to understand or like much of what the Rangers do this off-season.

They seem to be looking at accelerating their rebuild right into a retool as soon as possible.

I think they're going to try to be aggressive in the sense that they aren't expecting a top contender in the next 12 months, but they are expecting to move the dial and see progress.

And that means targeting a lot guys in their mid-20s, even it means moving guys in the late teens or early 20s.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Am I way off base in saying that if the deal is:

ADA + Buch for Monahan + Hanifan

That I would be expecting an add coming from Calgary, not the Rangers?

A potential swap of 1sts.

 

[Matt4776]

It’s about balancing the roster. And again, I suspect the Rangers view both Monahan and Hanifan differently than we do on the board. All we’ve been discussing this off-season has been whether or not the Rangers are going to address 2C and Trouba’s partner. It’s easy to see where the Rangers could believe this deal solves both of those issues in one fell swoop. And, as @Edge has repeatedly stressed, players are going to be moved that many fans are not going to be happy about giving up.

Yeah, I'm going through the process of accepting this myself.

I think everyone agreed in theory that there are times in a rebuild where we may give up more "value" in a trade or more points to find better fits for the team. Everyone understood this.

Actually accepting it while it happens (instead of it being a theoretical future move) is a different animal.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think ADA's value is very good.

I'm not quite sure it's as high as some of our fans believe. And I say that somewhat hesitantly because I feel like the value some have in their mind is kind of...fuzzy.

In other words, I think people know what they don't want, but they don't necessarily know what they do want.

It's HF boards.

ADA for a prospect with 30goal potential is fun and exciting.
ADA for an actual 30 goal NHL Center is bad

 

[Off Sides]

I know what I want

Them to kick the can down the road by giving out one year deals to all the RFAs so they can see what the prospects and youth do next season. Once that season progresses they can take that knowledge and make moves at the trade deadline and then again next summer when they lose most of their dead and badly allocated cap hits.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Am I way off base in saying that if the deal is:

ADA + Buch for Monahan + Hanifan

That I would be expecting an add coming from Calgary, not the Rangers?

I think edge mentioned there might also be discussions of a swap of 19 for 22.
thats a small addition but lets us jump the devils once, and might even be easier to slide up again to get a player higher up on our board there.

 

[Trxjw]

This is entirely possible and of course more than likely probable as teams look at the entire landscape of data they have on the players. I'm just somewhat concerned about moving on from a premier RD and one of the better complimentary wingers in the league for a couple of guys who did not perform well very recently. I'd be much more comfortable selling high on Strome + ADA than Buch + ADA.

I can certainly appreciate that take but it's about the bigger picture in this case. The Rangers have some serious holes in their lineup and only so many ways they can address them. A good lineup needs balance and sometimes that balance comes at the cost of the best piece in a trade.

You also kind of need to grit your teeth and wait until the picture fully develops. If the Rangers end up with a 2C that's scoring 35G/80p and a LD who is eating 25 minutes a night in all situations for under $5m per year, that's a massive, massive win for this team even if DeAngelo is scoring 75 points a year in Calgary and Buch finally turns into the 60+ point winger we all thought he was. Why? Because we need the guys Hanafin and Monahan turned into more than we need what Buch and ADA turned into.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think I am going to understand or like much of what the Rangers do this off-season.

They seem to be looking at accelerating their rebuild right into a retool as soon as possible.

Them acquiring Monahan is their way of saying "yeah we need to win before Lafreniere's contract comes due" without actually saying it out loud lol

 

[RangersFan1994]

following these threads are a pain in the ass. need the 1st post to be updated with legit rumors (edge, mckenzie, etc) so i can avoid surfin through 20 pages to find it lol

can we have a thread for suggestions and trade proposals, and a STICKY thread for verified rumors by beatwriters, tsn mckenzie edge verfied people. isnt the point of the message board is to find a thread as easier. too much news and we don't want to miss rumors. i agree with this.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

I'll say this:

ADA is the best player from this past season in the entire deal. Hanifan and Monahan both had 'meh' seasons. Am I WAY off-base here in saying that ADA alone should have that value almost unto himself? Would the Rangers really have to move both ADA and Buch to get Hanifan and Monahan? It seems more like a ADA + ______ for Monahan + Hanifan where the + is someone like Lemieux, Andersson, Howden, etc than that player being Buch. Maybe that + is Strome himself.

Can't discount dealing from a position of strength for a position of weakness. That shouldn't encourage any GM to make an ill-advised deal from a value perspective, but ADA's money is better utilized elsewhere considering we have Trouba and Fox ahead of him and Nils waiting in the wings.

Swapping ADA for Hanifin is close enough to make sense because it fills a need (LD) and does so for a more favorable term (4 years left @ $4.95M per) than what ADA will likely get on his next extension. I'll wait to pass judgement if/until a deal is made, however...there may be other parts included that swing it one way or the other.

 

[True Blue]

Ada is a potential premier RD, and also in line to be our 3rd RD. Fox may not have out produced him, but the expectation is that Fox will in 20-21, and as such can you really afford a 5-6m 3rd pair guy?
If we lock up ada and then he puts up 30 points because he's not getting powerplay time, and he's got smith as a partner and their pinned in their own zone the whole time, how quickly will the board riot and say we should've sold high then?

I do not think that there is any expectation that Fox is going to touch what DeAngelo did last year.

And again, how can you look at DeAngelo's ice time and proclaim him simply as a third pair guy?