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id take jagr at a year and a mil...ish.

nothing more.

could be some good depth for us.

id then move a winger for a center...or a bigger move for a bigger name center.
 
SA16 said:
Jagr isn't overrated and he isn't a bottom six player.

He ranked 112 out of 351 in points/60 this year among forwards with 500+ minutes (68 of 136 with 1000+)

He ranked 1 out of 352 in points/60 last year among forwards with 500+ minutes (1 of 125 with 1000+)

He ranked 110 out of 359 in points/60 two years ago among forwards with 500+ minutes (57 of 121 with 1000+)

There are pretty much three reasons people are not interested in him now:

1. He's had bad playoffs which in reality is just a shooting percentage thing. His assist rates have been about the same.

2. He's old and 95% of this board hates player who are even 30 so forget about someone in his 40s.

3. He's slow and everyone has come to the conclusion that to be good you need to be fast and if you are slow you are bad. There are good fast players. There are bad fast players. There are good slow players. There are bad slow players. Speed has become insanely overrated. It's just one factor. All Jagr has ever done and still does is produce and he doesn't do it like Marleau who has scored a lot of points simply be being force fed a ton of minutes. So why does it matter if he's not fast? Because he doesn't play the style that you believe is important even though he puts up better numbers than most fast players?
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On NYR he would be bottom 6.

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Raspewtin said:
Reason # 6969 why the eye test sucks
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nice. nice.

More often than not, people see what they want to see. I'm not immune to this, either, no one is. Like the discussion TheTakedown and I had yesterday about faceoffs, and him 'remembering' Ryan Kesler being dominant on faceoffs at the end of game 6 against Nasvhille this past post-season, despite taking only two faceoffs in the timeframe he suggested, winning one of them, and being on the ice for 2 ENGA.

Human memories are bad. Kind of just how we're wired.
 
Lion Hound said:
On NYR he would be bottom 6.

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I didn't say he would be a top six player on every single team. Relative to the league as a whole he's a top six. Also there's almost no chance Buhnevich would get the top line role over him here (though Miller might if he's not playing C)
 
SA16 said:
I didn't say he would be a top six player on every single team. Relative to the league as a whole he's a top six. Also there's almost no chance Buhnevich would get the top line role over him here (though Miller might if he's not playing C)
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Peoples' definitions of first line, second line, top-6 need to evolve. Ask some people, they'd tell you a 60 point player is a 'good second liner'. And it shouldn't be all about points, either.
 
silverfish said:
Peoples' definitions of first line, second line, top-6 need to evolve. Ask some people, they'd tell you a 60 point player is a 'good second liner'. And it shouldn't be all about points, either.
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Top six is the worst of all. The fact that some players (ex. Pirri) are considered top six or useless makes no sense. If he's better than some random grinding 4th liner he should play on the 4th line. The 4th line doesn't have to be full of defense first guys who check and can't score.
 
SA16 said:
Top six is the worst of all. The fact that some players (ex. Pirri) are considered top six or useless makes no sense. If he's better than some random grinding 4th liner he should play on the 4th line. The 4th line doesn't have to be full of defense first guys who check and can't score.
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Jagr is top six and sitting by the pool waiting for a phone call. ;)

I can't believe nobody has signed that guy yet. I can't even believe that the Panthers didn't go for another year. Scores, drives possession, probably drives attendance, etc... Unreal.
 
Why can't Tampa contracts be used as benchmarks? Because of the tax reason?

Games played away get taxed differently, so only half of the contract gets the tax benefit.

The Rangers organization is known to have some of the best, if not the best, treatment of players, amenities, and benefits of anywhere in the NHL. The players get that huge boon.

Also, players and their contracts can be traded. Once you are traded you don't get the tax benefit of the place you originally signed the contract.

The tax argument is overblown. Tyler Johnson contract in Tampa freakin' Bay can certainly be a barometer.
 
Alluckks said:
Why can't Tampa contracts be used as benchmarks? Because of the tax reason?

Games played away get taxed differently, so only half of the contract gets the tax benefit.

The Rangers organization is known to have some of the best, if not the best, treatment of players, amenities, and benefits of anywhere in the NHL. The players get that huge boon.

Also, players and their contracts can be traded. Once you are traded you don't get the tax benefit of the place you originally signed the contract.

The tax argument is overblown. Tyler Johnson contract in Tampa freakin' Bay can certainly be a barometer.
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In Tampa, you get 41 Florida home games, 4-5 Panthers away games, 1 Predators game, 1 Stars game, and 1 Las Vegas game without state taxes. The last 3 you get on any team in the Eastern Conference. That's 49/82 games with no state income tax. On the Rangers, you get at most 4 Florida team away games plus the 3 western conference games, so 7/82 games with no state income tax.
 
I dont understand the concept that state taxes only count for games played in that state..

Do teams cut checks after every game? or are the doing it monthly, bi weekly?

wouldn't they be cutting those checks in their state to save their players money? or is there some sort of tax code that applies to professional athletes?
 
Capt McDonut said:
I dont understand the concept that state taxes only count for games played in that state..

Do teams cut checks after every game? or are the doing it monthly, bi weekly?

wouldn't they be cutting those checks in their state to save their players money? or is there some sort of tax code that applies to professional athletes?
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You owe tax in states where you work. There are nexus rules but playing a hockey game in a state makes you subject to tax on the income earned in that state. The team accountants/payroll people and their personal CPA's keep track of this. I believe players get paid by weekly. My guess is that only NY and Federal taxes get withheld on the paycheck and then the players will pay the taxes owed to the other states when they file their annual tax returns.
 
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SA16 said:
I didn't say he would be a top six player on every single team. Relative to the league as a whole he's a top six. Also there's almost no chance Buhnevich would get the top line role over him here (though Miller might if he's not playing C)
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Jagr def could and likely should get a contract and play on some teams second line and get PP duties. Seems to me that the guy still has some juice in the tank. He can draw fans as well. Very surprised he hasn't inked a contract.

If AV plays that crap with Buchnevich this season the pitchforks should come out.
 
Capt McDonut said:
I dont understand the concept that state taxes only count for games played in that state..

Do teams cut checks after every game? or are the doing it monthly, bi weekly?

wouldn't they be cutting those checks in their state to save their players money? or is there some sort of tax code that applies to professional athletes?
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When I used to travel for work, I had to file taxes for each state that I worked in. The taxes they take out of my paycheck would always be for my home state, but that money would get redistributed at the end of the year. So basically, I would pay taxes to NJ all year and I might get a refund from them, but then owe money to NY. Or something like that.

Fortunately I work remotely from home now, so I only need to file for NJ, regardless of where the client is.
 
GAGLine said:
When I used to travel for work, I had to file taxes for each state that I worked in. The taxes they take out of my paycheck would always be for my home state, but that money would get redistributed at the end of the year. So basically, I would pay taxes to NJ all year and I might get a refund from them, but then owe money to NY. Or something like that.

Fortunately I work remotely from home now, so I only need to file for NJ, regardless of where the client is.
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How long did you work in those other states and how much were you getting paid?

If it was a couple days and you were making under $200k annual salary, you're being honest to a fault.
 
Not like we'd sign him to a long term deal. If Gorton can fit him under the cap on a one year deal and there isn't a reasonable move to be made for a center do it. Offensive Zone Starts and PP minutes. Better team with Jagr on board. Load up on wingers and make that a strength along with the Defense.
 
Jagr is still capable of 50 points

Why are teams offering him 1 year deals at 1-2 mill?

He's not being given a salary based on realistic production. I can see why he would find it insulting. Jagr isnt a depth player that might hit 35, jeus. Stop insulting the guy.
 
NCRanger said:
How long did you work in those other states and how much were you getting paid?

If it was a couple days and you were making under $200k annual salary, you're being honest to a fault.
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In most cases, it was months at a time. I spent many years working in NYC for different clients while living in NJ and my company is based in NJ.

We used to just file in our home state, but at some point, either the law changed or my company started following it. We have to include the billing state when we submit our timesheets and at the end of the year, we get W2s for each state that we worked in, so kind of hard to cheat on that.
 
Capt McDonut said:
I dont understand the concept that state taxes only count for games played in that state..

Do teams cut checks after every game? or are the doing it monthly, bi weekly?

wouldn't they be cutting those checks in their state to save their players money? or is there some sort of tax code that applies to professional athletes?
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I remember a few years back there was a photo going around online of Andrew McCutchen's pay stub (MLB), it listed the income he made in that state and the taxes he paid, I found it again on google but don't know how to go about attaching it on here, I'm just a reader more so then a poster.
 
lJuicel said:
I remember a few years back there was a photo going around online of Andrew McCutchen's pay stub (MLB), it listed the income he made in that state and the taxes he paid, I found it again on google but don't know how to go about attaching it on here, I'm just a reader more so then a poster.
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They withheld the taxes like you mentioned.
 
Idlerlee said:
Jagr is still capable of 50 points

Why are teams offering him 1 year deals at 1-2 mill?

He's not being given a salary based on realistic production. I can see why he would find it insulting. Jagr isnt a depth player that might hit 35, jeus. Stop insulting the guy.
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There's risk associated with Jagr. He could stop being capable of number like that really any second.
 
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