Speculation: Roster Building Thread LII: Countdown to Free Agency

[Synergy27]

Those are arbitrary 'age restrictions' from the HF board. The age timeline would theoretically be the same. Kreider 29-34. Panarin would be 28-34.

I dont worry about age as much until 35 +. I could also see Kreider take a Guerin type of trajectory in his career. His best/most productive hockey may still be in front of him

That’s the best you can hope for for Kreider during the second half of his career, but I wouldn’t put money on that. A lot of people seem to think that Kreider is going to remain a useful player after he loses a step, but all of his other tools are subpar in my opinion. Bill Guerin was a near elite goal scorer with a big time shot, plus the big body.

I like the player though and would be ok with signing him longish term. He’s not old yet.

 

[Off Sides]

I'm dumb. Yeah, thinking Trouba,

Quite the opposite, my question was probably dumb, just trying to understand why many seem to feel the only two options for Kreider is to trade soon or to extend him soon?

 

[Bob Richards]

Fun with jersey numbers:

During the 2005 lockout, I wanted to get a Rangers jersey and NHL.com was having a 50% off sale. They didn't have a lot of obvious picks at the time, I really liked Fedor Tyutin. They had just settled how his name would be spelled (the Rangers had used Tutin and Tjutin before on their website) and he had a good 20 or so games late in the season wearing #51. Then the next training camp he wore #55 just to screw with me, before taking #51 back when the season started. It turned out to not be a jersey that withstood the test of time anyways.

This story. Wow.

"Emotionally Gripping. Profoundly Moving" - New York Times

"A story to charm your entire family" - Entertainment Weekly

"yo why the f*** is this dubbed in Chinese?" - heinousanus55 comment on moviedownloadzips.com

 

[charliemurphy]

I believe it'll be the opening lines for his retirement speech and eulogy.

Seriously, its as if some have never seen Kreider skating around the circles in his own end waiting for the play rather initiating or getting back to the bench and staring at replays on an iPad. The epitome of frustration... watching a player with such potential be inconsistent to the point of vanishing for games on end. Yet, his best hockey could very well be in front of him? At 28, you would think this is it. I wouldn't offer Kreider anything starting with a 6 or higher regardless of length.

 

[Thirty One]

Quite the opposite, my question was probably dumb, just trying to understand why many seem to feel the only two options for Kreider is to trade soon or or extend him soon?

I understood the question completely, just blanked on what the relevant details were.

But I think Gorton said something about how he didn't like how the Hayes/Zuccarello situations dragged on with the uncertainty, so we think he'd prefer to get this one resolved sooner.

 

[charliemurphy]

I think he is still signed for next year already?

According to CF, yes for another season and has to submit an 11 team no-trade list.

 

[Thirty One]

This story. Wow.

"Emotionally Gripping. Profoundly Moving" - New York Times

"A story to charm your entire family" - Entertainment Weekly

"yo why the **** is this dubbed in Chinese?" - heinousanus55 comment on moviedownloadzips.com

Just know that you've hurt my feelings.

 

[ETTER DE]

Brooks is still holding out hope the Rangers give Kreider ~$50M over the next 7 years. We are so lucky the Flyers and AV stepped up to give Hayes $50M or we would be reading the Rangers should bring Hayes back this entire week.

The Rangers have barely talked to Keator about a new contract. They are running out of excuses. Gorton said he wanted to wait until they hired a new president. Like the new president isn’t going to allow Gorton to sign or trade Kreider. JD has been on the job for nearly 6 weeks. Gorton said he wanted to discuss the contract with Keator before going to Vancouver. The draft has come and gone. After the season, Gorton said we have plenty of time to make decisions like Kreider. The season ended nearly 3 months ago.

The tea leaves say Kreider is being traded eventually. Once Hayes signed the one year contract last summer, you knew the Rangers were eventually going to trade him. Brooks had the Rangers signing him right before the deadline or they work out a side deal with Hayes for him to return. They trade him at the deadline and re-sign him on July 1.

Gorton has talked to both Overhardt and Trouba about Trouba’s contract. The Rangers are comfortable with the asking price. A few people here said the Rangers want to wait and see how much money they have before trying to sign Kreider but that’s not the Rangers approach with Trouba. The Rangers have $16M-$17M in cap space and Trouba is getting $8M of that space.

The new excuse is the Rangers want see what Panarin does before making a decision on Kreider.

The Rangers would be crazy to give Kreider a huge extension and ****ing morons to pay Panarin. Let him enjoy the warm Florida sun all year.

AV called Hayes 2x to convince him to sign with the Flyers. Thanks AV.

The Flyers don’t have the space to pay Zuccarello which is a constant thing you hear.

There have been rumours about trading Gostisbehere...(Or maybe it is just speculations?)

 

[Mac n Gs]

God have mercy on the soul of whichever GM is dumb enough to give Tyler Myers a 7 year $56M contract

 

[Thirty One]

God have mercy on the soul of whichever GM is dumb enough to give Tyler Myers a 7 year $56M contract

Is there rumors of that? I expect free agency to be crazy, but that would be something else.

 

[Off Sides]

I understood the question completely, just blanked on what the relevant details were.

But I think Gorton said something about how he didn't like how the Hayes/Zuccarello situations dragged on with the uncertainty, so we think he'd prefer to get this one resolved sooner.

I tried to look for Gorton, anyone within Rangers management saying anything like that, yet have come up empty, if anyone has the link?

While I believe the Rangers probably would want to have it resolved sooner, if the options are, to extend to something they don't want, or trade for something that does not match what they are looking for, why would the keep non extended not be the best option out of the those?

Which is why I was wondering if there was some dates which excluded them from extending him past July 1st, as maybe I was missing some key info.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[DutchShamrock]

Looks like a snooty French waiter

Igor has that "Abe Froman, Sausage King of Chicago" vibe going on there.

 

[ETTER DE]

1st trade proposal post draft...................Jost and Kaut for Krieder?

Dont like to trade an impact player like Kreider for question marks. Better add to Kreider and see if there is a possibility of an upgrade. (Or sign Panarin). If not resign him.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kakko & Kravstov. Sounds like the name for personal injury law firm. If you’re in pain, contact Kakko & Kravstov for all your legal needs.

 

[Thirty One]

Kakko & Kravstov. Sounds like the name for personal injury law firm. If you’re in pain, contact Kakko & Kravstov for all your legal needs.

This account looks compromised.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Fun with jersey numbers:

During the 2005 lockout, I wanted to get a Rangers jersey and NHL.com was having a 50% off sale. They didn't have a lot of obvious picks at the time, I really liked Fedor Tyutin. They had just settled how his name would be spelled (the Rangers had used Tutin and Tjutin before on their website) and he had a good 20 or so games late in the season wearing #51. Then the next training camp he wore #55 just to screw with me, before taking #51 back when the season started. It turned out to not be a jersey that withstood the test of time anyways.

I feel ya. I’m dying to get a Kakko 24 but I’m afraid he’s gonna change his number because bern would start a protest outside MSG for Boo.

 

[bobbop]

There’s no market for Namestnikov or Vesey until July 2nd. Kreider is a different story. Thanks

 

[Kovalev27]

Would make sense to release the 3rd jerseys when you have an official number for kakko. Still think it may be 34 and not 24 but who knows. 45 is disgusting though

 

[Cag29]

Let’s not forget last summer when I was crying we hadn’t made any moves at the draft and everyone told me their was plenty of time all summer long . Time runs out very quickly in a capped league. Once we get past the first few days of July teams are set big money is spent and that’s it.

Jeff has a lot of work to do this week and a lot of it should have been done by now. I’m floored he didn’t get anything done last weekend. I agree I don’t believe another firesale at the deadline is in the best interest of the guys here. Vesey Namestnikov should not be here at this point. Shattenkirk needs to be gone. Can it be anymore odd with the trouba and Fox deals done? Give him a chance to be a ufa come July 1 if you can’t move him. Those deals made it impossible to bring him back.

I trust Gorton. He’s doing a great job. He’s not going to make a deal unless it benefits the Rangers. Patience. We are finally in good hands.

 

[Cag29]

I heard this all last summer about Hayes and Zucc

And we got a solid return for both players.

 

[Cag29]

The'interpreter' is Nik Bobrov

Mighty Igor in the house!!!!! Yeah!!!!

 

[Kovalev27]

And we got a solid return for both players.

We did?

The zucc return is garbage we have to pray he stays in Dallas which is looking further and further away at this time.

The Hayes return turned out well because a miracle happened and the pick fell to 20. But by no means were those good returns.

Kreider for a guy like Lemieux and a 27 thru 31 pick is nothing I’d want to move him for.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If anyone is interested in the text data. Some names and leagues are little mispelled.

Player	Jersey No.	Position	cm	kg	L/R	DOB	Age	2018-19 Team	Status	R	OVR	Year
Kakko, Kaapo	45	Right Wing	190	88	Left	13.02.2001	18,37	TPS(l.iiga)	Drafted	1	2	2019
Kravtsov, Vitali	74	Right Wing	193	82	Left	23.12.1999	19,52	Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL)	Drafted	1	9	2018
Miller, K'Andre	79	Defenseman	195	91	Left	21.01.2000	19,44	University of Wisconsin (NCAA)	Drafted	1	22	2018
Lundkvist, Nils	64	Defenseman	182	78	Right	27.07.2000	18,92	Lulca HF (SHL)	Drafted	1	28	2018
Lmdbom, Olof	60	Goaltender	190	80	Left	23.07.2000	18,93	Djurgardens J20 (SuperElit)	Drafted	2	39	2018
Robertson, Matthew	97	Defenseman	193	91	Left	09.03.2001	18,30	Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL)	Drafted	2	49	2019
Henriksson, Karl	70	Center	177	80	Left	05.02.2001	18,39	Frolunda J20 (SuperElit)	Drafted	2	58	2019
Fox, Adam	88	Defenseman	182	88	Right	17.02.1998	21,36	Harvard University (NCAA)	Drafted	3	66	2016
Jones, Zachary	86	Defenseman	180	79	Left	18.10.2000	18,69	Tri-City Storm (USUI.)	Drafted	3	68	2019
Ragnarsson, Jacob	91	Defenseman	185	79	Left	23.09.1999	19,76	Almtuna IS (Allsvcnskan)	Drafted	3	70	2018
Keane, Joey	82	Defenseman	185	83	Right	02.07.1999	19,99	London Knights (OHL)	Drafted	3	88	2018
Reunanen, Tarmo	51	Defenseman	185	81	Left	01.03.1998	21,33	Lukko (Liiga)	Drafted	4	98	2016
Gross, Nico	41	Defenseman	188	85	Left	26.01.2000	19,42	Osliawa Generals (OHL)	Drafted	4	101	2018
Skinner, Hunter	53	Defenseman	190	80	Right	29.04.2001	18,16	Lincoln Stars (USHL)	Drafted	4	112	2019
Shcsterkin, Igor	31	Goaltender	188	85	Left	30.12.1995	23,50	SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)	Drafted	4	118	2014
Aaltonen, Lccvi	83	Right Wing	177	80	Left	24.01.2001	18,42	KalPa U20 (Jr. A SM-liiga)	Drafted	5	130	2019
Rykov, Yegor	57	Defenseman	193	102	Left	14.04.1997	22,21	HC Sochi (KHL)	Drafted	5	132	2016
Parjujami, Lauri	56	Right Wing	182	85	Right	12.09.1999	19,79	TPS (Liiga)	Drafted	5	132	2018
Edstrom, Adam	84	Center	200	95	Left	12.10.2000	18,71	Mora J20 (SuperElit)	Drafted	6	161	2019
Kjcllbcrg, Simon	54	Defenseman	193	91	Left	17.02.2000	19,36	Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)	Drafted	6	163	2018
Wall, Tyler	80	Goaltender	193	100	Left	14.01.1998	21,45	UMass-Lowell (NCAA)	Drafted	6	174	2016
Barron, Morgan	47	Center	195	95	Left	02.12.1998	20,57	Cornell University (NCA.-X)	Drafted	6	174	2017
Huska, Adam	32	Goaltender	195	103	Left	12.05.1997	22,13	University of Connecticut (NCAA)	Drafted	7	184	2015
Ciccolini, Eric	52	Right Wing	182	77	Right	14.01.2001	18,45	Toronto Jr. Canadiens (OJIIL)	Drafted	7	205	2019
Hughes, Riley	67	Right Wing	188	78	Right	27.06.2000	19,00	Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL)	Drafted	7	216	2018
Kemp, Brett	62	Center	188	73	Right	23.03.2000	19,27	Medicine Hat ligers (Will.)	Free Agent Invite
Moyle, Nolan	46	Right Wing	190	83	Right	13.09.1999	19,79	University of Michigan (NCAA)	Free Agent Invite
Dmowski, Ryan	58	Left Wing	188	93	Left	18.03.1997	22,28	UMass-Lowell (NCAA)	Signed AHL
Baker, Tarek	65	Left Wing	180	84	Left	22.02.1997	22,35	University of Wisconsin (NCAA)	Free Agent Invite
Elmer, Jake	63	Right Wing	188	86	Right	31.12.1998	20,49	Lethbridge Hurricanes (Will.)	Signed			2019
Johnson, Max	49	Center	180	83	Right	12.05.1998	21,13	Bowling Green State University (NCAA)	Free Agent Invite
Amonte, Ty	73	Right Wing	182	84	Right	11.01.1998	21,46	Boston University (NCAA)	Free Agent Invite
Whelan, Alex	96	Right Wing	185	96	Right	20.07.1997	21,94	Quinnipiac University (NCAA)	Free Agent Invite
Gildon, Michael	38	Left Wing	190	88	Left	21.06.2001	18,02	U.S. National U18 Team (USDP)	Free Agent Invite
Newell, Patrick	34	Center	180	77	Left	18.01.1996	23,45	St. Cloud State University (NCAA)	Signed			2019
Jones, Nick	71	Center	182	86	Right	02.06.1996	23,07	University of North Dakota (NCAA)	Signed AHL			2019
Zerter-Gossage, Lewis	87	Right Wing	190	88	Right	23.05.1995	24,10	Harvard University (NCAA)	Signed AHL

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Ranger prospects at camp are looking rather tall and thin.

 

[NikC]

I'm a fan a CK , but I'm not opposed to moving him in the right deal.

A late first and prospect at the deadline doesn't seem like a great return.

CK should have put up 35-40g last year.
I didn't think AV was a great coach for CK. His game changed after taking out Price in that series. He seems hesitant.

Not sure about Quinn either, not impressed.

That said, it makes more sense to me to resign CK at 6.5m than AP for 11m.

Kreider is a tank. You cant underestimate the physical impact he brings, especially to the net. And yes it will affect his longevity.

If the rangers are spending 11m I'd rather it be on a real #1 center.