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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVII: Derek Stepan Trade-A-Palooza

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Griffinbw said:
Definitely, but Stepans NTC kicking in makes him a bigger risk long term. If kreider continues down that path we can trade him later. Stepan on the other hand is a risk as of what? July 1st?
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mike14 said:
They were both pretty terrible IMO, but Kreider has a better overall playoff record (it's not great still). As others have said, I don't think the focus on trading Stepan is so much about the recent playoffs (although it makes it easier to talk about maybe?), it's more that his caphit is higher than any forward but Nash and gets harder to move once the NTC kicks in, he's likely plateaued as player (people still think CK has a another level to hit), and that Stepan has been a big part of the core that while good hasn't ever gotten it all done and needs to be replaced/changed up.
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I understand the reasoning behind trading Stepan and agree with it, but I think the fact that a core young player mailed it in during the playoffs and then decided to finally show up in the final period of the season warrants more discussion. Maybe I missed it in previous threads.
 
Griffinbw said:
Definitely, but Stepans NTC kicking in makes him a bigger risk long term. If kreider continues down that path we can trade him later. Stepan on the other hand is a risk as of what? July 1st?
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Stepan's NTC is only a full no trade the first two years, it becomes a partial NTC after that. It's really not a big deal.
 
showjaxx said:
I understand the reasoning behind trading Stepan and agree with it, but I think the fact that a core young player mailed it in during the playoffs and then decided to finally show up in the final period of the season warrants more discussion. Maybe I missed it in previous threads.
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You did, it was a hot topic in all of the threads right after they were knocked out.

Wanting to trade either of them because of a poor playoff this year is monumentally stupid.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Stepan's NTC is only a full no trade the first two years, it becomes a partial NTC after that. It's really not a big deal.
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Even if it was a full NTC... He will be 31 when his contract ends. This isn't some 30-year old guy who has years to go on his contract with a cap-hit that cripples us
 
jas said:
You only move Stepan if you get a quality package back. Gorton does not have to trade him, but he's doing the right thing and listening to offers. Again, if you can get a Brass/Zib type deal, or get a top 10 pick, as well as another quality piece, then, you make the deal. But, Gorton isn't dumping Stepan.
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Out of the current rumored players on the trade block (Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba, Vatanen, E. Kane, Duchene, Barrie, Tanev), which ones do you feel would be worth pulling the trigger on with Step as the main piece? Which one are actually realistic?

Or, would you only reserve moving Step for the really big names like Mackinnon, Hanifin/Faulk, Trouba?
 
Antithesis said:
Fitzy Proposal-

Derek Stepan
Rick Nash (50%)


for

Tomas Tatar
Dylan Larkin

Seems light on our end, but food for thought. I've always wanted Tatar on this team.
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They took Werek for some reason and that scout was wrong.
 
May Rih said:
Out of the current rumored players on the trade block (Galchenyuk, Brodin/Dumba, Vatanen, E. Kane, Duchene, Barrie, Tanev), which ones do you feel would be worth pulling the trigger on with Step as the main piece? Which one are actually realistic?

Or, would you only reserve moving Step for the really big names like Mackinnon, Hanifin/Faulk, Trouba?
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Stepan as the main piece? As in, a package? If that's the case, None of those you mentioned there.
 
RGY said:
Stepan has one bad playoff and some of you cant get rid of him fast enough. It is sickening.
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I want to trade him because he is what he is at this point and it is clear we are not winning a Cup with him as the 1C. We need to do whatever it takes to get an actual bonafide top line center.

Stepan is the most attractive piece outside of the untouchables we have that can land a young center with potential to develop into a legit top flight center.

Dubois and Galchenyuk are really the only players I would want in return for Stepan . No thanks on Dumba as we should be OK on defense if we sign Smith and Shatter****, and we are bound to hit on at least one of Pionk, Day, Graves or Berezgalov
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Stepan as the main piece? As in, a package? If that's the case, None of those you mentioned there.
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Main piece as in assuming those are the featured names in the trade, and without getting into the potential adds on either side that would even out the value
 
It's absolutely hilarious watching the same people who for years defended Girardi/Staal (really the horrible team D in general) by blaming the forwards, and now we're gonna replace Stepan with Hayes, but not to worry at all about his defense.

Hayes is horrible on defense. He's been on a straight decline from ages 23-25, but by all means, let's clear the way for him.
 
showjaxx said:
I understand the reasoning behind trading Stepan and agree with it, but I think the fact that a core young player mailed it in during the playoffs and then decided to finally show up in the final period of the season warrants more discussion. Maybe I missed it in previous threads

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Dude you gotta let it go. Look I'm the first to admit Kreider had a a rough playoff run there is no doubt about it. HOWEVER he is a proven playoff performer so this year might have just been an off year for him. yes it sucks and its fine to criticize his performance but I don't think he was mailing it in. But now its over and it time to look to next year. Krdier still had a good year overall. he nearly had 30 goals and if it wasn't for a injury that sidelined him for about 8-9 games he probably would have had 30 goals and maybe 60 pts. I'm not opposed to trading him in the right deal but we shouldn't dump him just because he had one bad playoff run
 
NYRangers1986 said:
Dude you gotta let it go. Look I'm the first to admit Kreider had a a rough playoff run there is no doubt about it. HOWEVER he is a proven playoff performer so this year might have just been an off year for him. yes it sucks and its fine to criticize his performance but I don't think he was mailing it in. But now its over and it time to look to next year. Krdier still had a good year overall. he nearly had 30 goals and if it wasn't for a injury that sidelined him for about 8-9 games he probably would have had 30 goals and maybe 60 pts. I'm not opposed to trading him in the right deal but we shouldn't dump him just because he had one bad playoff run
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Ah, so now Kreider is a proven play-of performer? Aside from the 2014 post-season and the year we signed him (2012), what remarkable things has Kreider done in the post-season? He has not been better than Stepan in the last 3 years in the play-offs
 
JT Kreider said:
I want to trade him because he is what he is at this point and it is clear we are not winning a Cup with him as the 1C. We need to do whatever it takes to get an actual bonafide top line center.

Stepan is the most attractive piece outside of the untouchables we have that can land a young center with potential to develop into a legit top flight center.

Dubois and Galchenyuk are really the only players I would want in return for Stepan . No thanks on Dumba as we should be OK on defense if we sign Smith and Shatter****, and we are bound to hit on at least one of Pionk, Day, Graves or Berezgalov
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I really don't get things like that, we've had atrocious D, that's why we haven't won. Stepan being the 1C has nothing to do with that.

Not like trading Stepan will suddenly mean we have a bonafide top line center either...
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I really don't get things like that, we've had atrocious D, that's why we haven't won. Stepan being the 1C has nothing to do with that.

Not like trading Stepan will suddenly mean we have a bonafide top line center either...
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I can't stress this enough. Sure, we all want a Maserati, but if the best available is a Peugeot, why get rid of your Audi?
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Ah, so now Kreider is a proven play-of performer? Aside from the 2014 post-season and the year we signed him (2012), what remarkable things has Kreider done in the post-season? He has not been better than Stepan in the last 3 years in the play-offs
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First off I wasn't comparing him to stepan. Secondly I never said he was a superstar playoff performer but he has been productive for the most part. I think the problem fans have is that they have unfair expectations of Kreider. they want him to be this superstar but he was never suppose to be that. its not like he was a top overall pick. Like I said I'm not saying he is untouchable but why dump him unless you get a good package? also I'm not implying they should give away stepan. However stepan has a NMC that kicks in with a big cap hit and stepan has also had some issues himself the last 2 years or so. If you can get a good young defensemen for him or kreider then its hard to say no
 
East Coast Bias said:
It's absolutely hilarious watching the same people who for years defended Girardi/Staal (really the horrible team D in general) by blaming the forwards, and now we're gonna replace Stepan with Hayes, but not to worry at all about his defense.

Hayes is horrible on defense. He's been on a straight decline from ages 23-25, but by all means, let's clear the way for him.
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That's a pretty awful interpretation of what people want to do.
 
NYRangers1986 said:
First off I wasn't comparing him to stepan. Secondly I never said he was a superstar playoff performer but he has been productive for the most part. I think the problem fans have is that they have unfair expectations of Kreider. they want him to be this superstar but he was never suppose to be that. its not like he was a top overall pick. Like I said I'm not saying he is untouchable but why dump him unless you get a good package? also I'm not implying they should give away stepan. However stepan has a NMC that kicks in with a big cap hit and stepan has also had some issues himself the last 2 years or so. If you can get a good young defensemen for him or kreider then its hard to say no
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It's a NTC (Not a NMC) for 2 years, followed by a limited NTC for the final 2 years on a contract that ends when Stepan is 31. With the cap going up, 6.5m isn't much for a 1st line center and will be better value later on. When I see people talking about Duchene who is UFA in 2019, that would be worse long-term, as M&G pointed out
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's a NTC (Not a NMC) for 2 years, followed by a limited NTC for the final 2 years on a contract that ends when Stepan is 31. With the cap going up, 6.5m isn't much for a 1st line center and will be better value later on. When I see people talking about Duchene who is UFA in 2019, that would be worse long-term, as M&G pointed out
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I know its a NTC I made a mistake because I'm working right now. Ive made it pretty clear I'm not looking to trade him unless its a no brainer
 
NYRangers1986 said:
I know its a NTC clause I made a mistake because I'm working right now. Ive made it pretty clear I'm not looking to trade him unless its a no brainer
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Even if it was a NMC, it wouldn't be a problem. Stepan is not the reason we aren't winning the Cup and trading him will create more problems than it solves, unless it's a huge overpayment. Who knows... It might happen
 
Tawnos said:
That's a pretty awful interpretation of what people want to do.
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No it's really not.

Trading Stepan for futures, other than a good C signals a rebuild.

Kevin Hayes is not a top 6 C on a team trying to win a cup. There are people arguing that Hayes and Lindberg can replace Stepan's mins. Hayes is terrible defensively. Suddenly to some people, defense isn't the most important thing ever.

If you want to rebuild, like many do, it's a moot point.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Even if it was a NMC, it wouldn't be a problem. Stepan is not the reason we aren't winning the Cup and trading him will create more problems than it solves, unless it's a huge overpayment. Who knows... It might happen
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Once Again I'm not demanding they move him. I just saying if someone offers a good deal.
 
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