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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVII: Derek Stepan Trade-A-Palooza

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RGY said:
Stepan has one bad playoff and some of you cant get rid of him fast enough. It is sickening.
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I care more about the name on the front of the jersey than the name on the back. I would trade anyone on the roster if it would improve the team long term.
 
What kind of trade value can Raanta (or good back of roster guys - Fast, Lindberg, other teams' equivalents) really have with the expansion draft looming?
 
NickyFotiu said:
I think he puts up good #2 center numbers. Nothing wrong with that. Not his fault we don't have a all star type #1 center. The number that sticks out to me from your link is look at how low his faceoff% drops in the playoffs.
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This is exactly how I feel. We have a log jam at our 2C spot with Stepan and Zib. And I love Stepan, but if we can move him to acquire a top pairing RHD and then find a creative way to get a 1C, it's a hockey trade you make.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
His 14 and 15 playoffs were good, even for a 1C.

If his playoffs have been bad, what do you think about Zuccarello's playoffs numbers?
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Yeah, but apparently Stepan is lazy and Zuccarello plays with passion.

It's ridiculous to say Stepan has been bad in the play offs (Aside from this year)
 
RGY said:
Stepan has one bad playoff and some of you cant get rid of him fast enough. It is sickening.
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No, the only reason I would move him is because we have a ton of 'very good' players ... but we always lack punch in the center position, it's not Stepan's fault, he's a solid #2C and on some teams (with elite wingers) he can be a #1C.
 
GregSirico said:
No, the only reason I would move him is because we have a ton of 'very good' players ... but we always lack punch in the center position, it's not Stepan's fault, he's a solid #2C and on some teams (with elite wingers) he can be a #1C.
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Trading Stepan isn't miraculously giving us an elite center.
 
People don't want to deal Stepan because he had a bad playoffs. They want to deal him because he is a valuable asset that could fill a hole in our lineup and the core needs a shake up.

I'd be happy to keep him if the right deal didn't come along.
 
Doctor King Schultz said:
It's also ridiculous to say he's ever been good in the playoffs either. Mediocre at best.
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He's been okay. He was never a top center in the league. He isn't an elite center who wins you games. But how does trading Stepan help us? If people think Stepan is bad, wait until you see the 1-2 combo of Zibanejad-Hayes. I trust Zibanejad to develop a bit more, but Hayes playing anything more than a 3rd line role is going to hurt us.

Unless we get a center back somehow, we can't afford to trade him
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
He's been okay. He was never a top center in the league. He isn't an elite center who wins you games. But how does trading Stepan help us? If people think Stepan is bad, wait until you see the 1-2 combo of Zibanejad-Hayes. I trust Zibanejad to develop a bit more, but Hayes playing anything more than a 3rd line role is going to hurt us.

Unless we get a center back somehow, we can't afford to trade him
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Those are the best kinds of posters. Let's trade someone! They're average. When you ask to replace the player, they get someone who can't actually do what they do.

Logjam at 2C is possibly the funniest thing I've read in a while. That is supposed to be a problem? I'd love to have four 2Cs.
 
Doctor King Schultz said:
It's also ridiculous to say he's ever been good in the playoffs either. Mediocre at best.
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He was right in the middle of the biggest goals that were scored in that entire 2015 run.

I don't know about you, but I'd say he was pretty damn good in that run.

He wasn't good in this last run, but despite that he was only one point off of matching "untouchable", "heart and soul", "should be the captain" Zuccarello.

I haven't even mentioned how abysmal Hayes or Miller have been in the post season either. If we're going to trade guys because of how they haven't been good in the playoffs, we shouldn't be starting with Stepan, he's had good runs before and if this recent stretch was the leaning 10 pin you needed to fall, you (general you, not you specifically) probably, for what ever reason, wanted him gone to begin with.

I'm game for moving him for the right return, so if it isn't there I'm happy to hold onto him rather than trade him for 70 cents on the dollar for a return like Jonas Brodin.
 
FLYLine27 said:
Because Mr old man Hayes, who just turned 25, who just had his best season last year, isn't going to get any better.

Your point about Hayes falling off a cliff when he was put in as a 2nd line center when Zibanjad got hurt was already proved wrong..17 points in the 24 games Zibanjad missed...guess he can play against other teams top 4 defensman afterall?
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Hayes underlying numbers have been steadily declining each season.
Yes, some of it this season can definitely be explained by AVs insane usage of Hayes but it's still very worrying.
 
Stepan for 17' & 18' first round picks. Use the picks to rebuild and use some of the cash to replace Stepan and other needs.
 
Doctor King Schultz said:
It's also ridiculous to say he's ever been good in the playoffs either. Mediocre at best.
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I think we have to look at things in full context. That means looking at guys salary and how they produced compared to the rest of the team. We tend to play low scoring playoff games. Brass produced well in our playoffs but most the other guys are around .5ppg or below.

Nash-38 points in 73 games
Stepan- 49 points in 97 games
Zooks-31 points in 60 games
Kreider- 37 points in 77 games
Hayes-10 points in 34 games
Fast-14 points in 39 games
JT-16 points in 40 games
 
Fitzy Proposal-

Derek Stepan
Rick Nash (50%)


for

Tomas Tatar
Dylan Larkin

Seems light on our end, but food for thought. I've always wanted Tatar on this team.
 
Assuming Zibanejad comes close to hitting his ceiling, Zib-Stepan 1-2 down the middle is good enough to win. The problem with the team isn't the forwards. Trading Stepan opens up an enormous hole, and although theoretically he could bring a top-pairing RHD back, now who plays in the top six? Hayes?

And from there, the Rangers lose their 1C. Who plays the big minutes against the top opponents at even strength and on the PK? Now the Rangers don't have a 1C, and they need an elite one to contend, so what assets are available to trade in a creative hockey trade to get that 1C? Your answer: Kreider, Zucc, extended Zib, the RHD we theoretically traded Stepan for, McDonagh, Skjei and Miller. Miller and secondary assets won't get back an elite C. You create one problem by fixing another, it's a giant step sideways.

The Rangers need to play to their strengths. Stepan isn't elite, but Stepan-Zibanejad-Hayes-Lindberg down the middle 1-4 is one of the NHL's best foursomes. Assuming Lindberg isn't poached by Vegas, it exists for one more season. Miller can also play C in a pinch. What they should be doing more is not thinking about moving Stepan, as much as fixing the cap situation through other means. This means attaching assets (first-round pick and prospects) with Staal to move his contract. That means looking at Phil Kessel/Maple Leafs situation with Rick Nash. Our wing depth is really good. Kreider, Zucc are good top-six players. Vesey will hopefully take a step forward, as will Buchnevich with minutes. Maybe Miller takes another.

For anybody who watched the games, it was evident the forwards are good enough to win. It came down to our defensemen being deployed incorrectly. For a group to be consistently in the top five in GF each season, to have the bad Corsi/Shot Differential #s they did, it means this was strictly a coach/D issue. With Girardi gone, give that money to Smith. From there, figure out the best course to open up the cap space needed to sign Shattenkirk. I think the rest of our depth is still a huge strength. Moving Stepan doesn't fix anything, even if you like to believe opening up his cap space is important. Zibanejad and Hayes is not good enough to win a Stanley Cup, and now you have no open resources available to go out and get a 1C. Organizations should always play to their strengths.
 
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