Rick Nash

[Pizza]

The Rangers as currently constituted are an absolute example of why our organization is so thoroughly and rightly criticized.

Rick Nash is the latest and best example in a no win pursuit for big name players that has spanned decades.

It just does not work and the organization and sadly too many of their fans will never, EVER get it.

You have to draft and develop your own best players. Trading for them rarely works. Especially if they do not have the mental temperament to handle a big market like New York.

Nash never proved he had the mindset to be a clutch playoff performer.

Anywhere. Much less New York City.

The same people who rolled their eyes when I said this trade would suck are doing it again now. Saying the same things they always say about our market, where we draft and blah, blah, FRICKIN Blah.

So I will ask the same question I did in the other thread.

If you do not miss Dubi's inconsistency, how do you like the appalling consistency for failure that Rick Nash brings to every playoff game?

The sad thing is that Rick Nash is actually a true blue Ranger through and through. He deserves to be here. It's where he actually belongs.

 

[AHB*]

oof....11.....uuuggghhhhh

i didnt realize it was that bad......11?!

ugh.

But he has 12 in the playoffs!

 

[haveandare]

I would genuinely enjoy a legitimate debate on Nash with any Nash supporter, if there are any left.

I'm not a supporter per se, but I think everyone pretending that they knew this was a bad trade, and pretending Nash has sucked all along, and pretending that his goal scoring isn't/hasn't been needed is hilarious and typical HFNYR "I'm a genius in hindsight" BS.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I'm not a supporter per se, but I think everyone pretending that they knew this was a bad trade, and pretending Nash has sucked all along, and pretending that his goal scoring isn't/hasn't been needed is hilarious and typical HFNYR "I'm a genius in hindsight" BS.

The hindsight, chest pumping, revisionist history, self aggrandizing typical HF posts littering this thread is puke worthy.

If we had had complimentary pieces then the Nash trade would have been good. Unfortunately Gabs and Rich both no showed and Nash was asked to carry the team which he can't do. He wasn't brought here to do it either. That said his level of PO failure is to such an extreme degree that it almost forces the fans to be enraged.

His effort should have earned him at least 3 goals in these PO's which would still be bad/not enough but at least it wouldn't be this absolute bottom of the barrel level of performance. Between Stepan, nash, MSL, Richards, McD NONE of them are carrying play in anyway. None of them are producing any sort of offense. I'm hoping that nash is concussed and also snake bitten and that he can recover, hit 35 goals next year and show that he's still capable of playing well for the next 2 or 3 years. It was too early to boo him. I don't blame the fans but I'd have waited until next PO's to get on him. If he comes back and has a 35 G year then the over reactionary NYR faithful who go to the games will look even more ignorant then usual.
These PO's seem to be even more of an aberration than anyone could have predicted and I think nash does give a ****. He worked too hard in too many games for his numbers and SH% to be this abysmal. He didn't work hard enough in many games but he hasn't been as "Mr. Softy invisible" as people are acting.

 

[Pizza]

I'm not a supporter per se, but I think everyone pretending that they knew this was a bad trade, and pretending Nash has sucked all along, and pretending that his goal scoring isn't/hasn't been needed is hilarious and typical HFNYR "I'm a genius in hindsight" BS.

I've always been the first to say that I am no "genius" .

But I consistently expressed my doubts about acquiring this player.

Rick Nash had no record of success past the score sheet. His team, the team he was the captain of...made the playoffs just once. It does not take a "genius" to see that.

 

[ImIdaho]

I've always been the first to say that I am no "genius" .

But I consistently expressed my doubts about acquiring this player.

Rick Nash had no record of success past the score sheet. His team, the team he was the captain of...made the playoffs just once. It does not take a "genius" to see that.

Columbus didn't have the players we had. I mean, EVERYONE on these forums - and when I say forums, I mean HFBoards in general - believed we would be a genuine threat with Nash, Richards, and Gaborik; that we seriously could stand toe-to-toe with anyone in the East.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Columbus didn't have the players we had. I mean, EVERYONE on these forums - and when I say forums, I mean HFBoards in general - believed we would be a genuine threat with Nash, Richards, and Gaborik; that we seriously could stand toe-to-toe with anyone in the East.

Just to touch on this, it was also directly after we had just played a fantastic season. Adding Nash to the line-up seemed like it took us to a much more dangerous level. A lot of people had us as cup favorites.

 

[Pizza]

Columbus didn't have the players we had. I mean, EVERYONE on these forums - and when I say forums, I mean HFBoards in general - believed we would be a genuine threat with Nash, Richards, and Gaborik; that we seriously could stand toe-to-toe with anyone in the East.

I was not everyone and I know I was not alone. In a small minority definitely.

 

[OverTheCap]

I've always been the first to say that I am no "genius" .

But I consistently expressed my doubts about acquiring this player.

Rick Nash had no record of success past the score sheet. His team, the team he was the captain of...made the playoffs just once. It does not take a "genius" to see that.

Same here. Before accusing posters of being revisionist, it's probably a good idea to check their posting history. There was definitely a sizeable minority that were leery of making the trade and many of us never wavered from the belief.

 

[Pizza]

Again, this is me maybe being not so smart, but Rick Nash was absolutely touted as elite. Which I found odd. Elite players tend to have better success over all because they have an edge that drives them and those around them to be better. Nash struck me as a guy who would be wonderful to have a beer or go fishing with. He did not strike me as I guy I'd want to go to war with.

Dubi, for all his faults is a guy I definitely go to war with. He would probably drive me crazy sitting in a Boston Whaler with beers and fishing poles. C level talent. A level drive.

 

[aufheben]

Same here. Before accusing posters of being revisionist, it's probably a good idea to check their posting history. There was definitely a sizeable minority that were leery of making the trade and many of us never wavered from the belief.

I was 50/50 when it happened. Now I really wish it didn't. I also feel that Dubi & Ani staying here would have affected the Callahan situation a lot.

 

[haveandare]

I've always been the first to say that I am no "genius" .

But I consistently expressed my doubts about acquiring this player.

Rick Nash had no record of success past the score sheet. His team, the team he was the captain of...made the playoffs just once. It does not take a "genius" to see that.

I wasn't referring to you, or to anyone specifically.

The general reaction to the trade at the time was one of "it sucks that we had to lose Dubi, but we need the firepower, so it may be worth it."

Now, the general opinion, by which I mean, the far and away most regularly expressed opinion is that Nash is a loser, always has been a loser. That his goal scoring wasn't/isn't necessary. That he has no heart. That the trade was a steal for CBJ from the start.

I'm not pointing fingers at individuals. The most common opinion about the trade has shifted hugely, that's my point. There are plenty of people pretending that they thought something else back when the trade happened.

For myself, I thought the trade was worth it then for similar reasons. Dubi going hurt, but Nash is/was a 30 goal scorer over 82 games, and Dubi isn't/wasn't, and this team needed a goal scorer more than another 1/2 line tweener with a grind it out game. Things have changed since then. Pretty much every player who fit that passionate, grind it out mold has been shipped off.

Nash might not be the best piece of this puzzle, but I thought then, and still think now, that he was a good piece of the puzzle being assembled when he was acquired. The problem is that Sather flips the box and tries something new every other season, and a trade that looks good one year can look like crap the next when you do that.

 

[OverTheCap]

I was 50/50 when it happened. Now I really wish it didn't. I also feel that of Dubi & Ani staying here would have affected the Callahan situation a lot.

Hard to believe all 3 members of the Pack Line are gone. And Dubi and Cally had some real nice chemistry on those OT goals against the Pens...

On the Nash trade, I was against acquiring him when the rumors started in January 2012 but had a feeling it was inevitable we would get him eventually. When we traded for him, I thought it was an even trade, not a steal. I was concerned about how Nash would perform as a Ranger and replacing the depth we gave up.

 

[Riverdale]

None of us are GM

Why does it matter if WE are wrong about a trade/signing? Its the job of the GM and Assistant GM to make sure they are right. Not fans on a message board.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Columbus didn't have the players we had. I mean, EVERYONE on these forums - and when I say forums, I mean HFBoards in general - believed we would be a genuine threat with Nash, Richards, and Gaborik; that we seriously could stand toe-to-toe with anyone in the East.

Just to touch on this, it was also directly after we had just played a fantastic season. Adding Nash to the line-up seemed like it took us to a much more dangerous level. A lot of people had us as cup favorites.

Some of us, I was pretty vocal about it at the time, thought the opposite. That bringing Rick Trash in and shipping out especially Dubi was a huge mistake that would make us a lot weaker in the postseason, and most certainly not a cup contender when we would have been otherwise. We had a young, deep team that was greater than the sum of its parts. It had grown up together, and learned to win together. Nash on the other hand had grown up losing, and then acted like a coward when he led everyone to believe that it was the brass that wanted him gone when in fact he was the one that asked out. Then he pulled that crap about that he demanded to be traded because that's what would be best for CBJ. No surprise, the guy has no heart and no spine. Absolutely gutless.

 

[slipknottin]

Columbus didn't have the players we had. I mean, EVERYONE on these forums - and when I say forums, I mean HFBoards in general - believed we would be a genuine threat with Nash, Richards, and Gaborik; that we seriously could stand toe-to-toe with anyone in the East.

Go find my posts at the time of the trade or before the trade. I was 100% against it.

Said moving Dubinsky was a terrible idea. And Nash was already on the decline.

Said similar things about signing Richards.

Also said they should have sent gaborik to LA for simmonds and schenn long ago.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Some of us, I was pretty vocal about it at the time, thought the opposite. That bringing Rick Trash in and shipping out especially Dubi was a huge mistake that would make us a lot weaker in the postseason, and most certainly not a cup contender when we would have been otherwise. We had a young, deep team that was greater than the sum of its parts. It had grown up together, and learned to win together. Nash on the other hand had grown up losing, and then acted like a coward when he led everyone to believe that it was the brass that wanted him gone when in fact he was the one that asked out. Then he pulled that crap about that he demanded to be traded because that's what would be best for CBJ. No surprise, the guy has no heart and no spine. Absolutely gutless.

The coach that was here at the time had major issues with Duby. Duby said their relationship fell apart.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The coach that was here at the time had major issues with Duby. Duby said their relationship fell apart.

Trading Dubinsky because of Torts, then firing Torts the following year is one of the more shortsighted Sather moves of the last 5 years.

And there have been quite a few.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Some of us, I was pretty vocal about it at the time, thought the opposite. That bringing Rick Trash in and shipping out especially Dubi was a huge mistake that would make us a lot weaker in the postseason, and most certainly not a cup contender when we would have been otherwise. We had a young, deep team that was greater than the sum of its parts. It had grown up together, and learned to win together. Nash on the other hand had grown up losing, and then acted like a coward when he led everyone to believe that it was the brass that wanted him gone when in fact he was the one that asked out. Then he pulled that crap about that he demanded to be traded because that's what would be best for CBJ. No surprise, the guy has no heart and no spine. Absolutely gutless.

Yeah I love Dubi and Cally still. They're great heart and soul players that this team needs desperately right now, and any team would be lucky to have. But at the time of the trade it seemed like the best way to go for us. We needed an elite sniper and a lot of people thought Nash would flourish here, while others thought it would be a disaster. He could come here and been a perennial 35-45+ goal scorer for us, or he could have come here and busted. One group had to be right. Unfortunately for us, the trade happen to work out in Columbus favor.

It could have easily been the other way around.

 

[TeamStewie]

Trading Dubinsky because of Torts, then firing Torts the following year is one of the more shortsighted Sather moves of the last 5 years.

And there have been quite a few.

Trading Gabby and then firing Torts a couple of months later is far worse.

 

[Ranger Angst]

Nash back to Columbus just for Dubinsky. I would do it.

It's not that I hate Nash but he's just not a big game player. He knows what he needs to do. He tries. He doesn't get it done. Dubinsky is a gamer. A heart and soul player. He was always good in the playoffs for us--same with the Bluejackets. Not a big time scorer but he finds ways to help his team.

Agree .Dubi with CBJ 6pts in 6games Nash NYR 9 pts in 22 or 23 games. Regular season Dubi 70pts NAsh 82pts. THis trade cost us grit. And yet Sather President for life stays on.

 

[TeamStewie]

Columbus loves Dubi. Dubi is probably still pissed at the Rangers. Unfortunately will never happen

 

[Section 409]

I was not everyone and I know I was not alone. In a small minority definitely.

I was in that small minority too. I said it multiple times, but nobody wanted to believe what was staring them in the face. Now that it came to life apparently we are just "saying" we knew it. It had to be hindsight, foresight was impossible!

 

[Section 409]

Same here. Before accusing posters of being revisionist, it's probably a good idea to check their posting history. There was definitely a sizeable minority that were leery of making the trade and many of us never wavered from the belief.

Not only were we leery, we are blatantly against it. Those of us that were were talked down to as well as if we were morons for not wanted another player who doesn't produce for what he is paid.

 

[Leetch66]

What I really remember the most from all the posts that were made when he arrived here were these words....who is going to get them the puck...I have no idea who said it...but it made a lot of sense .