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Dunno the effort is there, kind of amazing seeing some of his shots hitting the post or having a miraculous save happen, yet Malkin does a weak as spinorama and it magically goes in...just the way things happen sometimes.

I agree he's being paid to score and failing miserably, but hey his goal-less streak hasnt hit 12 yet like Crosby was in the playoffs lol
 
Bob Richards said:
I was originally against acquiring Nash but I warmed up greatly to it and I was very happy with the trade. We needed goal scorers. Dubinsky had grit and heart but he also had an awful 2012 season (which makes me laugh because so many fans turned against him and now they want him back).

I defended Nash a lot last year. I have difficulty doing so now. He was pretty solid in the Flyers series, but didn't score, and he's been pretty bad in this Pens series. Even Klein has a goal LOL.
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This is an echo of my sentiments regarding the trade, right to a tee
 
vladmyir111 said:
Dunno the effort is there, kind of amazing seeing some of his shots hitting the post or having a miraculous save happen, yet Malkin does a weak as spinorama and it magically goes in...just the way things happen sometimes.

I agree he's being paid to score and failing miserably, but hey his goal-less streak hasnt hit 12 yet like Crosby was in the playoffs lol
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His goal-less streak is at 15. Nash's last playoff goal was game 2 against the bruins last season. 3 more games in that series, plus 7 in the Flyers series, plus 5 in the Pens series.
 
I think it's sad and hysterical that his best/most memorable game as a Rangers was a game he didn't even score in.

Want to be enlightened?

Nash has played 58 combined games in notable tournaments:

WJC
Olympics
NHL Playoffs

I don't count the WC because nobody cares about it and there is barely any pressure to perform.

Anyway, in 58 games, Nash has five goals.

Three Olympiads, one WJC and five playoff series.

Five goals.

Now, compare the cumulative stats of his peers like Carter, Kovalchuk, Gaborik, Heatley and Parise,

He is pretty much the worst big game winger in the NHL.
 
FromTheSide said:
It was commonly known brassard hated the old CBJ managament. I'm not even a CBJ fan and i knew this :laugh:

Not surprising he plays well in a normal enviornment.
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Brassard's problem was not mgmt. It was typical immaturity in the spotlight. Hitch called him and several players to account. Brass was also physically weak in his early years.

Kel Varnsen said:
The excuses for Nash have to stop already. Another game, another 0 goals from him. It's absurd. He can't put the biscuit in the basket. He can't put the stuffing in the turkey, or he can't even put the turkey in the oven. He can't put the car in the garage, he can't put the train in the station. He can't put the rod in the water, the lightning in a bottle, the cat in the hat. And that's really why he's a loser. He can't put the cat in the hat.
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People look at Nash's skating style and call him lazy. In reality, he floats like a Malkin or Lemieux, -old school. Crosby had 1 goal and Pen fans aren't throwing him under the bus like NYR fans are Nash.

I'm not a Nash fan, but I did watch every game he played in his years in Cbus. He's a 2a not a 1b.
 
JACKETfan said:
Brassard's problem was not mgmt. It was typical immaturity in the spotlight. Hitch called him and several players to account. Brass was also physically weak in his early years.



People look at Nash's skating style and call him lazy. In reality, he floats like a Malkin or Lemieux, -old school. Crosby had 1 goal and Pen fans aren't throwing him under the bus like NYR fans are Nash.

I'm not a Nash fan, but I did watch every game he played in his years in Cbus. He's a 2a not a 1b.
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Are we watching the same Malkin this series? And you don't pay a 2a 7.8 million a year and give up the assets we gave to get a 2a.
 
GWOW said:
Nash has played 58 combined games in notable tournaments:

WJC
Olympics
NHL Playoffs
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I think the most note-worthy one is the Olympics, because what I often hear from people is that Nash simply doesn't have the line mates to produce at the high pace that he can. But in 19 Olympics contests, he has 2 goals and 5 assists. That's downright terrible considering the quality of the line mates he has had in those kinds of tournaments, and the comparative lack of quality of some of the teams he has faced in those tournaments (the Germanys and Latvias).
 
JACKETfan said:
People look at Nash's skating style and call him lazy. In reality, he floats like a Malkin or Lemieux, -old school. Crosby had 1 goal and Pen fans aren't throwing him under the bus like NYR fans are Nash.

I'm not a Nash fan, but I did watch every game he played in his years in Cbus. He's a 2a not a 1b.
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Please don't compare Nash to Lemieux and Malkin. Those guys could drive through a whole team and get good to great scoring chances, which is what Malkin has done these past two games. As a matter of fact, Malkin has 6 PTS in this series (3G, 3A) to Nash's one assist.
 
JACKETfan said:
People look at Nash's skating style and call him lazy. In reality, he floats like a Malkin or Lemieux, -old school. Crosby had 1 goal and Pen fans aren't throwing him under the bus like NYR fans are Nash.

I'm not a Nash fan, but I did watch every game he played in his years in Cbus. He's a 2a not a 1b.
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I'm not quite sure what you're saying? That Nash floats in a similar (intentional?) style to Lemieux and Malkin, and since those two get the job done, Nash will inevitably get the job done too? There's one problem with that.. those two are generational talents that get it done, and Nash is not. Just watch Malkin's goal from last night, that's the kind of thing that few players ever pull off in the playoffs.

As far as Crosby, if you read any of the threads, Pens fans were going nuts about his play in the past couple of postseasons. And about a half dozen articles popped up questioning his health.
 
Kel Varnsen said:
I've been saying this for a while now. Losing, Nash was born in it, molded by it. He didn't see winning until he was already a man and by then it was nothing to him but troubling.
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I might buy it.

Kovalchuk had a similar career path.

His first two years in NJ were uneventful, but he had a Hart/Smythe worthy season in 2012.

Rick Nash - a modern day Kevin McReynolds.
 
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nash had quite a few plays at the net last night..at least 3 or 4 that i can remember...he also had a heck of a play on a PK last night as well to get a puck up and out of the zone. some very good PKing by him and the whole group (with boyle being the standout).

what i mean by decent is...he's at least contributing to a win...in the 3 prior games he was detrimental to the team when he was on the ice...at least tonight he was making SOME plays to help the team...even if it wasnt goalscoring.

i guess people dont even want to make THAT distinction.

I dont think Stepan had a good game at all...im not at all blaming stepan for the reason nash has sucked..but it certainly doesnt help. 1 hand feeds the other till they both start dragging each other down. that whole trio has been awful for a while (when MSL was on that line)....Kreider has given them a boost..i hope it continues.
 
RickyRedDiaz said:
As far as Crosby, if you read any of the threads, Pens fans were going nuts about his play in the past couple of postseasons. And about a half dozen articles popped up questioning his health.
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This is true. Read the Pens board post game after they lost in OT and were calling Crosby "lazy" "only there to collect a paycheck" "disengaged" "must be hurt" etc...
 
nsvoyageurs said:
An observation on Nash from Elliotte Friedman on TSN 690 Montreal:

http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#id=22
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A pretty solid take imo.

It's uncomfortable for me to say it, but this was one of my main points and reservations before the deal was made. That Nash would not be able to handle the expectations put upon him. A quiet guy who had had minimal pressure in a small market moving to a much bigger market with much bigger expectations.

Compare Nash's game last night and Krieder's. Yes, they are different players who will make things happen in different ways... but Kreider makes things happen. He used every tool he has to create his opportunities. I know that people are being sincere when they talk about Nash's effort, but I respectfully disagree.

Rick Nash just does not looked fully engaged much of the time.

The way you know this is that there have been games where he is much more fully engaged. Moving his skates. Driving the net. Working the boards. Moving the puck up the ice or into the zone. Creating his own chances. Not waiting for them to come.

It was a better game for him last night, but the more I look at it...just marginally.

Th excuses I read here are baffling. The reason the Rangers acquired this guy was not for him to be playing some secondary, defensive role in a playoff run. They got him because he was an elite talent with tons of untapped big game potential who would score big goals on the way to a Stanley Cup Championship.

My position has always been that I doubted very much that he was the guy to accomplish that task. He has never displayed the temperament, track record, drive or any other thing that made me think he was a key final piece.

The thing that that frustrates most people is that you can see Nash's talent. It just never manifests itself when it really counts.
 
A big difference between Crosby and Nash though, Crosby has a Stanley Cup and another appearance in the Stanley Cup Finals. He has 114 points in 93 post season appearances. Including 41 goals. Crosby has talked the talk and walked the walk.

Nash never has.

So, while Crosby might have been underwhelming in the Olympics and this post season, his post season has still been better than Nash.

That's why I don't like the comparison of Crosby to Nash. One guy has achieved it all, has been a huge playoff performer for the better part of his career (minus a couple of post seasons), and the other guy has never contributed anything to team success in the post season.
 
OverTheCap said:
Very insightful and probably the best explanation of why Nash struggles in the playoffs. To sum up the segment for those who can't listen:

Because of all the losing in Columbus and being treated with kid gloves for so long in that organization, Nash just doesn't know how to adjust to his current situation. He's a quiet guy and there was concern about what the burden of expectations would do to him once he left Columbus.
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It's 1 person's opinion, but I think it has merit to it. Still Nash needs to pick it up, be stronger mentally. Rise to the occasion. He's wired differently than you would think/like.
 
Really hard to defend and find excuses for a guy who's scored 1 goal in 24 playoff games as a Ranger. It's really comical at this point. He's due to find the net eventually....right?
 
zuckera1 said:
Really hard to defend and find excuses for a guy who's scored 1 goal in 24 playoff games as a Ranger. It's really comical at this point. He's due to find the net eventually....right?
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Kevin Klein has a goal, so yeah you'd think with that many games he'd fall ass backwards into one at some point. And yet he still finds ways not to, like as shown in that embarrassing gif.
 
I cant defend Nash's production, its simply not there. I dont think he has been playing that bad though, he just isnt scoring. I know thats seriously lowering the bar for someone like Nash. He cant be held goalless for that much longer can he? He's bound to score in one of these games right?
 
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