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nsvoyageurs said:
An observation on Nash from Elliotte Friedman on TSN 690 Montreal:

http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#id=22
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IDK, I watched Nash since he was drafted. The thing is, he has always been like that. Been saying it for years and ridiculed for it, but Friedman is right about Nash being coddled in a small market. No one ever questioned Nash's compete level in C-Bus or complained when Nash screwed up. GM Doug MacLean made him "the face of the franchise" the moment he drafted him and everyone (fans included) never questioned Nash about anything. And the local paper made him more important than the team. It was freaking ridiculous! People really dont know hockey in CBus.

Anyways, my own theory and one that has already been stated in this thread; he doesnt love hockey. He might do it for the money or maybe it beats working a regular job, IDK, but I don't think he really cares (passionate) about winning. As for Friedman, I think Nash had a bigger effect on the CBJ, then the CBJ had on Nash. Just imagine Nash as your Captain...
 
Pete Jensen ‏@NHLJensen 4h
Number of different goal-scorers per team this playoffs:
#MNWild, 16
#LAKings/#NYR, 15
#NHLDucks/#Blackhawks, 14
#Bruins/#Habs/#Pens, 13
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FIFTEEN PLAYERS and he's not one of them.
 
I think it's a prima donna attitude and his refusal to crash the net. Both Malkin and Crosby, more skilled players than Nash, crash the net, and he doesn't. Being a perimeter player with a big body and a big shot may work in the regular season but it doesn't work in the playoffs. In the playoffs, you have to be willing to suffer a little bit for the big plays. He doesn't seem willing or hasn't learned how.
 
messierjagrlundqvist said:
I think it's a prima donna attitude and his refusal to crash the net. Both Malkin and Crosby, more skilled players than Nash, crash the net, and he doesn't.
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I'm as frustrated as the next guy that he hasn't scored, but maybe missing 17 games earlier this year due to a concussion may have something to do with not "crashing" the net.

Is he playing up to his potential? An resounding "NO," but he's not exactly a liability either with a +1 ranking (the shorthanded Penguin goal screw-up in Game 4 notwithstanding). He's averaging over 4 shots a game these playoffs, so he is getting chances. They're just not going in. Hopefully his first one tomorrow will have a snowball effect. :)
 
RangersFan said:
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That's it, I'm convinced the dude is just trolling at this point. no other explanation.
 
Chris Kreider scored more than twice as many goals as Rick Nash has overall in the playoffs, before he even played a regular season game.
 
Kreider has seven career playoff goals in 28 games. Nash has two career playoff goals in 28 games. Kreider has not received big minutes in some of those games.
 
I am very comfortable with this organization trading Rick Nash in the off-season for the most they can get. I wasn't for signing Stastny to start. However, given the incompetence of Stepan again in the playoffs, signing Stastny for the first line, moving Stepan to the third line is best. Put Miller on the wing on the third line. Let Boyle walk very, very, very, very, far away. Lindberg needs to be the 4th line center but D. Moore has to be brought back. He's earned it. Hopefully, Moore and Lindberg can work together on the 4th line.

I also wouldn't mind if they traded Stepan in the right deal. Brassard is light years better in the playoffs than Stepan.
 
If the Rangers look to trade Nash after this horrific playoff season, and since the Sharks will surely shake things up, I consider trading him for Marleau. The logic is that maybe playing with his buddy Thornton, will reinvigorate him and he'll produce more. Also, playing in a non hockey market, and far away from the constant pressure of an original six team, will benefit him. Maybe he'll return to the Columbus Nash...

Both players have 3 years left (Marleau just signed an extension last year), with Nash's cap hit being $1.3Mn more (7.8 vs 6.5). We may need to throw in a B level prospect or 3-4 rd pick to take that contract. In Marleau we get a player who can play both centre/left wing, has speed and size.

Of course, both players would have to waive their NMC, but this is the type of deal that I would make, two struggling players (in the playoffs) that maybe need a change of scenery to succeed.
 
Graves94 said:
If the Rangers look to trade Nash after this horrific playoff season, and since the Sharks will surely shake things up, I consider trading him for Marleau. The logic is that maybe playing with his buddy Thornton, will reinvigorate him and he'll produce more. Also, playing in a non hockey market, and far away from the constant pressure of an original six team, will benefit him. Maybe he'll return to the Columbus Nash...

Both players have 3 years left (Marleau just signed an extension last year), with Nash's cap hit being $1.3Mn more (7.8 vs 6.5). We may need to throw in a B level prospect or 3-4 rd pick to take that contract. In Marleau we get a player who can play both centre/left wing, has speed and size.

Of course, both players would have to waive their NMC, but this is the type of deal that I would make, two struggling players (in the playoffs) that maybe need a change of scenery to succeed.
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Sign. me. Up.
Trading Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for two mediocre regular seasons and 2 abysmal playoffs out of number 61 and then 3 years of a declining Marleau seems like the perfect move to make fora lifetime GM with no plan and no consequences to pay. Puke
 
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It's true that for the most part Rick hasn't hurt us defensively--he had a major part to play in Sutter's SH goal against us that hurt us badly in game 4. He has all the shots on goal and other teams still have to pay attention to him. At this point as long as he doesn't hurt us that is something. I'm not expecting goals out of him anymore. He is to the eastern conference somewhat what Joe Thornton is to the western conference--a guy whose play gets worse in the playoffs.
 
BBKers said:
Sign. me. Up.
Trading Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for two mediocre regular seasons and 2 abysmal playoffs out of number 61 and then 3 years of a declining Marleau seems like the perfect move to make fora lifetime GM with no plan and no consequences to pay. Puke
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Nash's first season wasn't mediocre at all. This season was mediocre and he was still our leading goal scorer. Playoffs are abysmal. Marleau makes no sense at all though.
 
eco's bones said:
It's true that for the most part Rick hasn't hurt us defensively--he had a major part to play in Sutter's SH goal against us that hurt us badly in game 4. He has all the shots on goal and other teams still have to pay attention to him. At this point as long as he doesn't hurt us that is something. I'm not expecting goals out of him anymore. He is to the eastern conference somewhat what Joe Thornton is to the western conference--a guy whose play gets worse in the playoffs.
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Check Thornton's playoff stats. The myth of him being a bad playoff performer is ridiculously overblown. Nash hasn't played bad IMO, his finishing has been abysmal.
 
Dactyl said:
Check Thornton's playoff stats. The myth of him being a bad playoff performer is ridiculously overblown. Nash hasn't played bad IMO, his finishing has been abysmal.
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Thornton scores now and again. He puts up more points. In that respect he's better than Nash but like Nash he doesn't raise his level in the playoffs and he doesn't lead his team. San Jose is a perennial choker--not comparable really to the Rangers. The Rangers usually are a 5th to 8th place eastern team. For this year's Rangers to be playing a 6th game in the second round--they've met expectations. Of all the teams left in the playoffs--eastern/western the Rangers are the team with the least regular seasons points still playing. Minnesota had 98--we had 96. San Jose usually is a top 3-4 team in the west. They're almost always north of the 100 point mark in the regular season. In Thornton's time they should have been in the finals at least a couple times. Not even close. They almost never meet expectations.
 
BBKers said:
Sign. me. Up.
Trading Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for two mediocre regular seasons and 2 abysmal playoffs out of number 61 and then 3 years of a declining Marleau seems like the perfect move to make fora lifetime GM with no plan and no consequences to pay. Puke
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I don't understand what your saying?

Sadly, Nash I believe, will never meet expectations here. I really think alot has to do with his concussions and his willingness to drive to the tough areas to score. Also, It just seems that he doesn't have that drive to be THE difference maker. At $7.8Mn, you should be the driving force and making players around you better, not dragging them down also!

I was 100% in favor of the Nash trade, because I saw Nash as the player that could thrive here, after many losing seasons in Clb, but I was wrong. He played with less talent in Clb and produced more consistently, granted it was the reagular season, and to me, he hasn't elevated his game in 2 playoffs with us. I could care less about SOG, since half of those shots are wrist shots from just inside the blue line.

I brought up Marleau, because although they may have similar concerns to them, Marleau has over 100 playoff points, and would be our # 1C, if that trade would happen today, or our #1 LW! Maybe he would flop here as well, but its the type of trade that would happen for Nash, unless Gainey becomes GM again:D

Sadly, I think we're stuck with Nash, and our only hope is that he gets out of this eternal playoff slump...soon.
 
RangerBoy said:
Kreider has seven career playoff goals in 28 games. Nash has two career playoff goals in 28 games. Kreider has not received big minutes in some of those games.
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Or the big paychecks.

I think this is a testament to how drafting players is sometimes the better road to travel, as opposed to signing or trading to fill a need.
 
Killem Dafoe said:
Or the big paychecks.

I think this is a testament to how drafting players is sometimes the better road to travel, as opposed to signing or trading to fill a need.
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I think since the lockout this isn't even a debate anymore.
 
RangerBoy said:
Kreider has seven career playoff goals in 28 games. Nash has two career playoff goals in 28 games. Kreider has not received big minutes in some of those games.
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Kreider didn't start getting regular minutes last year until Game 3 of the Boston series IIRC. 8 games with him wasted on the 4th line.

Big game player from what I've seen so far.
 
BBKers said:
Sign. me. Up.
Trading Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for two mediocre regular seasons and 2 abysmal playoffs out of number 61 and then 3 years of a declining Marleau seems like the perfect move to make fora lifetime GM with no plan and no consequences to pay. Puke
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I'm fine with trading Nash but if his 2012-2013 regular season (21g-21a-42points in 44 games) was mediocre than we need more mediocre players.
 
Ironic that Krieder is being the one praised now. 8 months ago 50% of this board wanted Kreider gone and many claimed Nash would score 40 goals.
 
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