Return for Matthews in a trade

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Mathews will get traded to a place he wants to go to
Odog says it best .he owes the leafs honesty
It's his prerogative to want to leave or stay so it is what it is
If he wants LA let him go
But he does owe the leafs that but after watching dubas not thanking the leafs for giving him a chance to be anything in the NHL

Screw him. Trade him to anyplace but LA and let him ditch his new team and sign with the Kings on his own time. There's nothing I want from LA tbh except maybe Brandt Clarke. Turcotte and Vilardi, hard pass. Byfield, meh, we don't need a modern day Nik Antropov. I like Kaliyev but him and Clarke are not enough.

What is it with everything being done on Matthews terms?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

If Matthews doesn't sign pre July 1st there must be a contingency trade plan option because the team can't risk losing him for nothing walking him to UFA... that would be horrible asset management...hopefully Trevling learned from his Gaudreau blunder

 

[geo25]

Screw him. Trade him to anyplace but LA and let him ditch his new team and sign with the Kings on his own time. There's nothing I want from LA tbh except maybe Brandt Clarke. Turcotte and Vilardi, hard pass. Byfield, meh, we don't need a modern day Nik Antropov. I like Kaliyev but him and Clarke are not enough.

What is it with everything being done on Matthews terms?

 

[nuck]

In a Matthews trade I would seek the equivalent of four 1st round picks

Just an example

Ducks trade

Mason McTavish
Max Jones
Pavel Mintyukov
1st rd Pick 23' or 24

Toronto trade

Auston Matthews

You wouldn't get all that for AM unless he said he was resigning in Anaheim The idea of getting a top 5 pick is you would have a shot at 3 centers who could be in the NHL next season which is great. Those clubs with the picks however, are currently so uncompetitive that a 3 year player at best doesn't give them time to build a team around him and he just allows them to not bottom out and draft top 5 again until he is gone.

 

[Racer88]

You wouldn't get all that for AM unless he said he was resigning in Anaheim The idea of getting a top 5 pick is you would have a shot at 3 centers who could be in the NHL next season which is great. Those clubs with the picks however, are currently so uncompetitive that a 3 year player at best doesn't give them time to build a team around him and he just allows them to not bottom out and draft top 5 again until he is gone.

So basically he is worthless

 

[81Leafs50]

this thread makes me sad for the city of Toronto.

 

[Leafblooded]

Matthews and Tavares for Kadri

 

[AustonMarner]

You wouldn't get all that for AM unless he said he was resigning in Anaheim The idea of getting a top 5 pick is you would have a shot at 3 centers who could be in the NHL next season which is great. Those clubs with the picks however, are currently so uncompetitive that a 3 year player at best doesn't give them time to build a team around him and he just allows them to not bottom out and draft top 5 again until he is gone.

Obviously team acquiring Matthews would want extension in place... if this is not an option, Trevling needs to find a team willing to risk trading for Matthews as a rental for a chance to win a Stanley Cup in '24... but I would still be seeking the equivalent of 4 first round picks in return...

 

[ToneDog]

Obviously team acquiring Matthews would want extension in place... if this is not an option, Trevling needs to find a team willing to risk trading for Matthews as a rental for a chance to win a Stanley Cup in '24... but I would still be seeking the equivalent of 4 first round picks in return...

Or you trade Marner or Nylander and pay Matty to stay. Without Matty this team isn't even a good regular season team. I mean who is Marner going to pass to if Matty is gone and teams take away his space and time ??

 

[AustonMarner]

Or you trade Marner or Nylander and pay Matty to stay. Without Matty this team isn't even a good regular season team. I mean who is Marner going to pass to if Matty is gone and teams take away his space and time ??

Well, Marner will pass the puck to the main return piece off the hypothetical trade: example McTavish, Byfield or perhaps UFA O'Reilly...
Obviously first choice would be to resign Matthews first and foremost...

No need to trade Marner or Nylander to maintain Matthews so I have no idea what you're talking about... it's Tavares that has to go, I'm so surprised everybody can't see that

Matthews has to be traded pre July 1st if he won't sign before that date imho but I would prefer he signs, but that's his choice...

Thank god NHL teams don't hire random guys off of HFB's to be GMs lmfao

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I was just responding to the notion that Matthews hasnt been meh in the playoffs and that he is right up there with other great players...he has been meh and is not up there with those players. Your question is a tough one and may end up being out of the leafs hands anyways depending on Matthews. How competitive are we going to be with our top guys making even more money than they do now?

I think they work out a deal and Matthews get paid big and that will be the first domino....with Marner gone right after and maybe Nylander which if you think Matthews is the one to build around then you pay him and go from there. Im questioning if he is the guy you pay like that and build around. He hasnt shown me he is in Mckinnon or Crosby or Tkachuk territory as far as leading goes, even though I do acknowledge he is our best C-man that we have had in a long long time.

For all the guys saying the cap will go up...they keep forgetting that the players ask will also go up...you will not find a Kampf for 1.5M when the cap is constantly going up or a Bunting....it just won't happen. They are asking for cap %...not dollars and if they wanted 3 or 4% of 80M cap...they will be asking for the same % of 90M cap.

That's why to me the whole notion that Dubas got totally screwed by the flat cap doesn't make too much sense. He got screwed because he didn't adapt his plan when it was obvious putting all that money in 3 forwards was not going to work because we were imbalanced.

 

[ToneDog]

Well, Marner will pass the puck to the main return piece off the hypothetical trade: example McTavish, Byfield or perhaps UFA O'Reilly...
Obviously first choice would be to resign Matthews first and foremost...

No need to trade Marner or Nylander to maintain Matthews so I have no idea what you're talking about... it's Tavares that has to go, I'm so surprised everybody can't see that

Matthews has to be traded pre July 1st if he won't sign before that date imho but I would prefer he signs, but that's his choice...

Thank god NHL teams don't hire random guys off of HFB's to be GMs lmfao

Should be pretty clear nobody is taking Tavares, not to mention he has a full NMC. Depending on the number, of course you might have to trade Willie or Mitch to free up cap space.

As usual, you resort to bullshit at the mention of trading Marner. Oh yeah still waiting for that guarantee you made a few years ago that Mitch would hit 100 points. IIRC you wanted to bet. Hope you did not bet you POKEMON collection on it. LMFAO.

 

[AustonMarner]

Should be pretty clear nobody is taking Tavares, not to mention he has a full NMC. Depending on the number, of course you might have to trade Willie or Mitch to free up cap space.

As usual, you resort to bullshit at the mention of trading Marner. Oh yeah still waiting for that guarantee you made a few years ago that Mitch would hit 100 points. IIRC you wanted to bet. Hope you did not bet you POKEMON collection on it. LMFAO.

Stopped reading this post after a sentence and a half sorry... I suppose you're proof experience doesn't equal wisdom...
Cheers

 

[Arzak]

Well, Marner will pass the puck to the main return piece off the hypothetical trade: example McTavish, Byfield or perhaps UFA O'Reilly...
Obviously first choice would be to resign Matthews first and foremost...

No need to trade Marner or Nylander to maintain Matthews so I have no idea what you're talking about... it's Tavares that has to go, I'm so surprised everybody can't see that

Matthews has to be traded pre July 1st if he won't sign before that date imho but I would prefer he signs, but that's his choice...

Thank god NHL teams don't hire random guys off of HFB's to be GMs lmfao

I'm sorry but you're pretending contracts and NMC don't exists.

Tavares is not going anywhere, that's the reason no one else is pushing this silly narrative. You can ask him any way you want, he is paid $11 mill per year and got guaranteed no one can trade him from his hometown.

Suggesting Tavares's trade is keyboard GMing at its best. I'm not surprised the irony is lost on you.


One more time for you, we are not moving the unmovable NO-MOVEMENT-CLAUSE contract.

Yes, it would be great, but in the real world, it's not a realistic option to discuss.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm sorry but you're pretending contracts and NMC don't exists.

Tavares is not going anywhere, that's the reason no one else is pushing this silly narrative. You can ask him any way you want, he is paid $11 mill per year and got guaranteed no one can trade him from his hometown.

Suggesting Tavares's trade is keyboard GMing at its best. I'm not surprised the irony is lost on you.


One more time for you, we are not moving the unmovable NO-MOVEMENT-CLAUSE contract.

Yes, it would be great, but in the real world, it's not a realistic option to discuss.

Amen.

 

[ToneDog]

Assuming Matthews extends in Colorado. Matthews for MacKinnon. Who says no ?

 

[rumman]

I said this in the other post, but would a deal of Auston Matthew for Sebastian Aho work. Both are UFA next year. Matthew may needs to be convince to sign a contract extension with Carolina.

can't see 34 going anywhere near a small market team, it'll be NY, LA, possibly Vegas. Unless he's going home to save the franchise..........

 

[rumman]

Or you trade Marner or Nylander and pay Matty to stay. Without Matty this team isn't even a good regular season team. I mean who is Marner going to pass to if Matty is gone and teams take away his space and time ??

trade all three.......heart transplant........patient lives.............

 

[barilko05]

Assuming Matthews extends in Colorado. Matthews for MacKinnon. Who says no ?

Well Colorado for one...after they stop laughing. I mean I Think Matthews, if he stays and stays healthy...both BIG ifs...may become the greatest Leaf ever...but that deal is not happenening today or anytime soon.

 

[notdoneyet]

Or you trade Marner or Nylander and pay Matty to stay. Without Matty this team isn't even a good regular season team. I mean who is Marner going to pass to if Matty is gone and teams take away his space and time ??

Funny you say that but our record is far better with matthews injured than marner

 

[ToneDog]

Funny you say that but our record is far better with matthews injured than marner

Yup I've heard that but not buying it over a full season. Without Matty, JT can fill in for a couple of weeks and then the bottom falls out IMO. If anybody stays, it is Matty. Other than Rielly and Knies, I'm listening to all offers.

 

[rumman]

There is absolutely no winning a Matthews trade, he is easily the best leaf in my life time and I’m almost 40. The only way I trade this guy is if it’s him plus for mcdavid. I’d make him the highest paid player in the league before entertaining any trade.

In no particular order Clark and Gilmore say hi……..

 

[AustonMarner]

I'm sorry but you're pretending contracts and NMC don't exists.

Tavares is not going anywhere, that's the reason no one else is pushing this silly narrative. You can ask him any way you want, he is paid $11 mill per year and got guaranteed no one can trade him from his hometown.

Suggesting Tavares's trade is keyboard GMing at its best. I'm not surprised the irony is lost on you.


One more time for you, we are not moving the unmovable NO-MOVEMENT-CLAUSE contract.

Yes, it would be great, but in the real world, it's not a realistic option to discuss.

You clearly didn't read my previous posts and I'm not pretending anything lol... I will not repeat myself to you sorry... Trevling's gotta make it clear to Tavares that he is not part of the future plans of the team and hope he accepts and a another team wants him... other than that, people like you suggesting trading Marner, Nylander over Tavares perplex me...

YOU CAN STILL ASK SOMEONE WITH A NO MOVE CLAUSE TO ACCEPT TRADE LOL

In "your" real world Tavares can't be traded but that's it...

 

[Guided by Veseys]

You clearly didn't read my previous posts and I'm not pretending anything lol... I will not repeat myself to you sorry... Trevling's gotta make it clear to Tavares that he is not part of the future plans of the team and hope he accepts and a another team wants him... other than that, people like you suggesting trading Marner, Nylander over Tavares perplex me...

YOU CAN STILL ASK SOMEONE WITH A NO MOVE CLAUSE TO ACCEPT TRADE LOL

In "your" real world Tavares can't be traded but that's it...

That would be extremely poor etiquette and would be viewed quite negatively by any agents when this team is considering free agent signings in the future. I hate this nonsensical notion of somehow pressuring a guy that you signed to NMC to move it. It’s pretty absurd tbh.

 

[baton elevated]

In no particular order Clark and Gilmore say hi……..

Sundin too