ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Bourne said it, 6.5mx5 and 90m in Boston Pizza ads.They are all just waiting like hungry wolves.
Bourne said it, 6.5mx5 and 90m in Boston Pizza ads.They are all just waiting like hungry wolves.
Amirov is just sad, the others... woof. Even TL is tough since he didn't see much time in the playoffs
Ur weirdLeafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):
2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection
I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
2017: Timothy Lilijegren (17)Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):
2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection
I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
6 yrs and counting....All it takes is one playoffs run and that can easily change.
Bunting, Gio....thats all i gotWho? Who on this team has a cap hit less than they're worth?
Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):
2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection
I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.Some of ya'll are seriously out to lunch with what Matthews' value is as a rental with a NMC. You get rentals to help you win in the playoffs. Matthews has never stepped it up when the going gets tough.
They'd be absolutely lucky to get anymore than 2 late 1sts and a prospect.
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.
GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.
I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.
GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.
I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.
Kyper had an interesting take. Asks why does Matty deserve 13.5m after sucking against Florida while MacKinnon took $100k more than McDavid after delivering a Cup? Goes on to say, perhaps MacKinnon took a discount. The horror for some. Compared to the breadman Pasta also took a discount. As much as some of the usual suspects refuse to admit.Matty will get signed .. probably gets too much given Shanny's history .. it is nothing for da Leafs .. it is all about CAP though for team .. it will show how bad Matty wants to win for his team mates.. reality check here .. trade would be 5 pieces no doubt including 3 1st rounders a top end player for sure
Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.His playoff play has not been "Meh" in general, he has playoff series of 4 goals in 6 games, 5 goals in 7 games, 5 goals and 9 points in 6 games, another series above a point per game, all against elite teams and/or goaltenders, and the most recent ones with well above average defensive play. If those qualify as meh playoffs than 99% of the league is worse than meh in the playoffs.
You're correct about what we would get back in a trade for Matthews though, not that that would be a good idea in the first place though because it still wouldn't be enough.
Auston Matthews on 5 years of simple carbohydrates... The ultimate punishment for long suffering Leafs' fans.Bourne said it, 6.5mx5 and 90m in Boston Pizza ads.
I would say no, yes. However, the hypothetical is 4 first rounders, I just gave it the benefit of the top four first rounders that could have been acquired. In the real world it doesn't turn out that well.For all that you say no? Its a really fast yes to me considering you almost replace your loss and give your D depth and a future.
Nylander and Marner are alot closer as players than you think. Also, Sandin/Lilijegren aren't 7th D. If you're getting all that for Marner, you take it. You're delusional to not do that. It's incredible value.I would say no, yes. However, the hypothetical is 4 first rounders, I just gave it the benefit of the top four first rounders that could have been acquired. In the real world it doesn't turn out that well.
You lose your 2nd best player and a top 10 winger in the league for (best case scenario), an awesome (top 25/50 winger), a #2, a #4, and a #7 D? Nah
No wonder we can't win more than 5 games in a playoff run. Please sir, may I have another ??Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.
Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at
Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win
pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?
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Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.
Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at
Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win
pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?
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Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.
Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at
Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win
pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?
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Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.
GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.
I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.
Then Shanny and the board ain't serious about winning.Matty will get signed .. probably gets too much given Shanny's history .. it is nothing for da Leafs .. it is all about CAP though for team .. it will show how bad Matty wants to win for his team mates.. reality check here .. trade would be 5 pieces no doubt including 3 1st rounders a top end player for sure