Return for Matthews in a trade

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Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):

2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection

I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
Ur weird
 
Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):

2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection

I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
2017: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2018: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2019: No selection
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection

Pretty much no impact players since we drafted Matty in 2016. Well done Shanny.
 
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Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):

2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection

I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.

For all that you say no? Its a really fast yes to me considering you almost replace your loss and give your D depth and a future.
 
I think could get a decent haul and would be interested in what Yotes would offer for him or LA/Anaheim.
 
Some of ya'll are seriously out to lunch with what Matthews' value is as a rental with a NMC. You get rentals to help you win in the playoffs. Matthews has never stepped it up when the going gets tough.

They'd be absolutely lucky to get anymore than 2 late 1sts and a prospect.
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.

GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.

I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.
 
There is absolutely no winning a Matthews trade, he is easily the best leaf in my life time and I’m almost 40. The only way I trade this guy is if it’s him plus for mcdavid. I’d make him the highest paid player in the league before entertaining any trade.
 
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.

GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.

I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.

Yea, making him the highest paid player for mediocre term isn't what I am about, if he's asking for more than 12.7M and 3-4 years as the term, I say thanks but no thanks.
 
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Matty will get signed .. probably gets too much given Shanny's history .. it is nothing for da Leafs .. it is all about CAP though for team .. it will show how bad Matty wants to win for his team mates.. reality check here .. trade would be 5 pieces no doubt including 3 1st rounders a top end player for sure
 
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.

GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.

I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.

His playoff play has not been "Meh" in general, he has playoff series of 4 goals in 6 games, 5 goals in 7 games, 5 goals and 9 points in 6 games, another series above a point per game, all against elite teams and/or goaltenders, and the most recent ones with well above average defensive play. If those qualify as meh playoffs than 99% of the league is worse than meh in the playoffs.

You're correct about what we would get back in a trade for Matthews though, not that that would be a good idea in the first place though because it still wouldn't be enough.
 
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Matty will get signed .. probably gets too much given Shanny's history .. it is nothing for da Leafs .. it is all about CAP though for team .. it will show how bad Matty wants to win for his team mates.. reality check here .. trade would be 5 pieces no doubt including 3 1st rounders a top end player for sure
Kyper had an interesting take. Asks why does Matty deserve 13.5m after sucking against Florida while MacKinnon took $100k more than McDavid after delivering a Cup? Goes on to say, perhaps MacKinnon took a discount. The horror for some. Compared to the breadman Pasta also took a discount. As much as some of the usual suspects refuse to admit.
 
His playoff play has not been "Meh" in general, he has playoff series of 4 goals in 6 games, 5 goals in 7 games, 5 goals and 9 points in 6 games, another series above a point per game, all against elite teams and/or goaltenders, and the most recent ones with well above average defensive play. If those qualify as meh playoffs than 99% of the league is worse than meh in the playoffs.

You're correct about what we would get back in a trade for Matthews though, not that that would be a good idea in the first place though because it still wouldn't be enough.
Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.

Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at

Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win

pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?

 
For all that you say no? Its a really fast yes to me considering you almost replace your loss and give your D depth and a future.
I would say no, yes. However, the hypothetical is 4 first rounders, I just gave it the benefit of the top four first rounders that could have been acquired. In the real world it doesn't turn out that well.

You lose your 2nd best player and a top 10 winger in the league for (best case scenario), an awesome (top 25/50 winger), a #2, a #4, and a #7 D? Nah
 
I would say no, yes. However, the hypothetical is 4 first rounders, I just gave it the benefit of the top four first rounders that could have been acquired. In the real world it doesn't turn out that well.

You lose your 2nd best player and a top 10 winger in the league for (best case scenario), an awesome (top 25/50 winger), a #2, a #4, and a #7 D? Nah
Nylander and Marner are alot closer as players than you think. Also, Sandin/Lilijegren aren't 7th D. If you're getting all that for Marner, you take it. You're delusional to not do that. It's incredible value.
 
Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.

Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at

Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win

pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?

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No wonder we can't win more than 5 games in a playoff run. Please sir, may I have another ??
 
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Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.

Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at

Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win

pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?

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I was arguing with the idea that his playoff performance has been mediocre in general. For the money and when his only comparables are those players you mentioned I can't argue with, but also know that Draisaitl and McDavid aren't exactly as much better than Matthews as their points would indicate when they're getting outscored 5vs5 half the time. Unless we could trade Matthews for those players (and McDavid or possibly MacKinnon are the only ones I would trade him for anyway) then there's not much we can do because we're not getting players of that quality in a trade.
 
Those are not numbers you want to see from the highest paid player in the league. And lets look at his numbers in deciding games or when he is really needed like 5gms 0 goals in the 2nd rnd this yr.

Mcdavid 49 games 29g 46a 75pts
Mckinnon 77games 44g 56a 100pts
Pastrnak 77games 35goals 44assists 79points
kucherov 142games 53goals 107 assist 160 pts
draissaitl 49 games 31 goals 46 assists 77pts
etc etc you see where Im going with this....now lets look at

Matthews 50games 22g 22a 44pts 1 series win

pretty much meh, no? and people want to make him the highest paid player in the league?

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So what's the plan without Matthews? If the board isn't interested in a rebuild (which they certainly are not), how do we make the Leafs a more competitive playoff team by subtracting their 1C?
 
Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.

GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.

I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.

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Matty will get signed .. probably gets too much given Shanny's history .. it is nothing for da Leafs .. it is all about CAP though for team .. it will show how bad Matty wants to win for his team mates.. reality check here .. trade would be 5 pieces no doubt including 3 1st rounders a top end player for sure
Then Shanny and the board ain't serious about winning.
 

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