Return for Matthews in a trade

[socko]

Dubas should have said, "JT is the Captain and no one makes more than the Captain." What could Matthews and Marner have done?

Taken offer sheets with 4 first round picks as compensation. I'd take that for Marner in a second. I would not take that for a healthy Matthews. Which is why bending to Marner never made a sense. If you would take Marner over 4 firsts and $11 million in cap space you're crazy. I'm not crazy.

 

[ToneDog]

Put a condition in the trade that if he resigns Leafs get more, way more……….

The only way you trade him is to a team he agrees to resign with, as Matthew Tkachuk did last summer. If they fail to sign or trade him, I see him as an own rental unless we are sellers at the TDL.

Having said that, I still believe he will sign with the Leafs. I just hope it is on July 1st so that it does not linger into the season.

 

[613Leafer]

Taken offer sheets with 4 first round picks as compensation. I'd take that for Marner in a second. I would not take that for a healthy Matthews. Which is why bending to Marner never made a sense. If you would take Marner over 4 firsts and $11 million in cap space you're crazy. I'm not crazy.

Four unprotected 1sts as well.

I also remember looking at the NHL at the time, and there were only I think two teams with remotely enough capspace plus all of the 1st round picks to have offersheeted Marner. Pretty sure it was Columbus and Ottawa.

So unprotected 1sts from not very good teams, markets Marner probably didn't want to go to and where he'd make nothing in endorsements (vs the $2M+ he's been making in Toronto), etc. The offersheet was always a boogeyman and not a legit threat.

Offersheets were way bigger threats on guys like Kapanen, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott, AJ, etc. Teams could have offered them a few hundred K more than we did, and given up like a 2nd or 3rd round pick to do it.

 

[ToneDog]

Taken offer sheets with 4 first round picks as compensation. I'd take that for Marner in a second. I would not take that for a healthy Matthews. Which is why bending to Marner never made a sense. If you would take Marner over 4 firsts and $11 million in cap space you're crazy. I'm not crazy.

Yeah, if there was an OS from Columbus, I would have told him to sign it and then decide if I wanted to match or take the 4 first rounders. With a weak GM, they folded and gave in to Marner like they did Nylander and Matthews. Sorry I do not buy Nylander being the one who folded. You do not get what he did by folding last minute.

 

[socko]

Nylander got $7.5 million per year when he had never scored more than 20 goals playing on Toronto's top line. It was definitely Dubas that folded. That doesn't mean Nylander didn't ask for more. He did however get a better deal than any of his comps, Dubas style.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander go $7.5 million per year when he had never scored more than 20 goals playing on Toronto's top line. It was definitely Dubas that folded. That doesn't mean Nylander didn't ask for more. He did however get a better deal that any of his comps, Dubas style.

That is how I see it. Then shows up out of shape. If Marner got the Leafs to pony up the bonus money Lou refused to give him, the Leafs should get Nylander to return some money for mailing in the first season and a half of his current deal. Wishful thinking again. LOL.

 

[New User Name]

How's this for a hockey trade: Auston Matthews to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson?

Why would Vancouver do that?
Not a chance in hell Matthews resigns there.

 

[New User Name]

If I'm the Leafs I present an offer of at least 5 years to Matthews.
My maximum would be 12 million with a YES limited NTC, he has to provide a list of 20 teams he will not accept a trade to.
An answer MUST be given at least 21 days prior to July 1.

If he says no, ask him for a list of teams he would want to play for and if he gives them such a list you attempt to make a trade with that team. Also give him permission to talk with teams.

You're being proactive and playing hardball with him, enough of this BS of caving into players and their corrupt agents.

If you get nothing but silence back, play him for the year and let him sign elsewhere.

Sick and tired of seeing other teams get team friendly contracts from players, and players and agents giving the Leafs a big f*** you.
Actually that seems to be a problem mainly for Canadian teams as well.

 

[rumman]

The only way you trade him is to a team he agrees to resign with, as Matthew Tkachuk did last summer. If they fail to sign or trade him, I see him as an own rental unless we are sellers at the TDL.

Having said that, I still believe he will sign with the Leafs. I just hope it is on July 1st so that it does not linger into the season.

pigs will fly before 34 signs a reasonable deal on July 1st……..

 

[darrylsittler27]

Two huge factors. Who is the new GM? How much does he want to resign for? Then what are the offers? An exp GM will want a haul for him knowing he makes a team either playoffs and profitable or a contender instantly. A guy like Mathews is rare a big C who can score

 

[NVious]

Taken offer sheets with 4 first round picks as compensation. I'd take that for Marner in a second. I would not take that for a healthy Matthews. Which is why bending to Marner never made a sense. If you would take Marner over 4 firsts and $11 million in cap space you're crazy. I'm not crazy.

At the end of the day he needed to stand up to at least one of them, he didn't. After that they were given every opportunity to deliver, they didn't. And finally they are now being given every opportunity to do the right thing and take less money, they're not going to.

They just don't want to be here and that's ok, toronto is not for everyone.

Give me 2 25 goal scorers at 5.5 mill who RAISE their game during the playoffs and want to be here as opposed to Matthews.
Give me 2 50 point 2 way guys at 5.5 mill who RAISE their game during the playoffs and want to be here as opposed to Marner.

The result literally cannot be worse, and we can still get assets for both of them if the trades are there. The Leafs can always sign superstars in the offseason, but when the superstars you have are tinmen who want more and more and more and fail and fail and fail, you obviously cannot have a team atmosphere conducive to success like that, 1/8 wins in the series showed us everything we needed to know.

 

[thewave]

If we retain what do you guys think we could get?

2x 1sts and a good player/prospect? I don't even know what Matthews would be worth right now.

 

[NVious]

If we retain what do you guys think we could get?

2x 1sts and a good player/prospect? I don't even know what Matthews would be worth right now.

I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st or Mccann, Wright, 1st.

Considering the cap space we get back, not bad.

Matthews in the playoffs is basically pacing for 35-40 goals anyways, so although it seems like some massive step down (due to comparing seasons), it really depends on how those guys do in the playoffs tbh.

The other factor to take into consideration is that even if they did slightly worse, say paced for 25-30 goals is that we would be getting that at half the cost, so it shouldn't be looked at as a straight comparison player vs player, but player and dollar vs player and dollar

 

[socko]

The team getting the better player almost always wins the trade. Two 25 goal scorers does not equal a 50 goal scorer. You take a 50 goal scorer off your PP, you can't replace him with two 25 goal scorers, you can replace him with one 25 goal scorer. If Matthews didn't have the wrist problems, he would be a no-brainer re-sign. But this has been going on for 3 years now and I would be more than a little concerned handing out a long-term superstar deal to him. Hopefully, their medical department makes the right call. If you get a fair trade offer, I'd take it.

 

[thewave]

The team getting the better player almost always wins the trade. Two 25 goal scorers does not equal a 50 goal scorer. You take a 50 goal scorer off your PP, you can't replace him with two 25 goal scorers, you can replace him with one 25 goal scorer. If Matthews didn't have the wrist problems, he would be a no-brainer re-sign. But this has been going on for 3 years now and I would be more than a little concerned handing out a long-term superstar deal to him. Hopefully, their medical department makes the right call. If you get a fair trade offer, I'd take it.

50 goal scorer that doesn't score in the POs isn't very special. Sometimes there are 25-30 goal scorers that kill in the POs.

 

[socko]

50 goal scorer that doesn't score in the POs isn't very special. Sometimes there are 25-30 goal scorers that kill in the POs.

Matthews has pluses and minuses. Playoffs is definitely a minus. That's ultimately the most important part of the season. I would expect a high level player coming back for him though, very high level player, I'm not taking a bunch of Dylan Larkins.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

50 goal scorer that doesn't score in the POs isn't very special. Sometimes there are 25-30 goal scorers that kill in the POs.

All it takes is one playoffs run and that can easily change.

 

[Blowfish]

He's being traded for stud signed #1 D man. That simple.

 

[notbias]

Going by the last trade BT made with one of his young stars, maybe Montour + Reinhart + 1st?

 

[seventieslord]

Any team he’s dealt to would need to send cap back so we’d probably be looking at gaining 5mil cap space tops.
Definitely need a decent C back.

Carolina fans are convinced Aho isn't a playoff player. They could use an upgrade. Matthews would be a good roll of the dice for them. We get back a #1 center so that we're not completely without one (I think he's average at best but that's something, enough to keep you contending, at least). And he costs a fair, not exorbitant amount.

What would they pay for the upgrade? A 1st and Jarvis? Jarvis and Pesce? Pesce and a 1st? Am I too optimistic?

He's being traded for stud signed #1 D man. That simple.

If that happened, Toronto would instantly become a much better team.

 

[Boxscore]

Carolina fans are convinced Aho isn't a playoff player. They could use an upgrade. Matthews would be a good roll of the dice for them. We get back a #1 center so that we're not completely without one (I think he's average at best but that's something, enough to keep you contending, at least). And he costs a fair, not exorbitant amount.

What would they pay for the upgrade? A 1st and Jarvis? Jarvis and Pesce? Pesce and a 1st? Am I too optimistic?


If that happened, Toronto would instantly become a much better team.

Aho, a 1st, and Scott Morrow would be the return I'd want. But I'd still much rather pursue something with the Canucks centered around Pettersson if possible. Vancouver is building a mini "Team USA" over there with Hughes, Miller, Demko, Boeser. I'd love the Alien to be our next Mats Sundin.

 

[seventieslord]

Aho, a 1st, and Scott Morrow would be the return I'd want. But I'd still much rather pursue something with the Canucks centered around Pettersson if possible. Vancouver is building a mini "Team USA" over there with Hughes, Miller, Demko, Boeser. I'd love the Alien to be our next Mats Sundin.

I like him, but I don't think we're getting him. They seem pretty attached. And with him being a bit younger and excellent defensively it's not completely impossible that he could be better. How much would they pay for the chance to upgrade? When it's not even 100% certain to be an upgrade?

 

[KPower]

Huberdeau and Weegar.

 

[Boxscore]

I like him, but I don't think we're getting him. They seem pretty attached. And with him being a bit younger and excellent defensively it's not completely impossible that he could be better. How much would they pay for the chance to upgrade? When it's not even 100% certain to be an upgrade?

I don't think we're getting him either but that's the type of hockey trade I'd love the Leafs to pursue -- a massive blockbuster like when LaFontaine was traded for Turgeon, maybe bigger.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Matthews without an extension but retained at 50% still has good value I believe, something like blue chip prospect, 1st round pick, and another piece. If he’s not signing, it’s better than having him walk for free.