Return for Matthews in a trade

[keonsbitterness]

Yeah it wasn't Dubas that negotiated those those deals he's just the fall guy

I'm sure Dubas was involved, just wondering how much Shanahan and the board had a hand in core negotiations.

 

[jkutswings]

It's impossible to gauge the truth amidst all this, but I'll aim somewhere in the middle as a starting point.

Let's say Toronto could get a good but not great center as part of a trade package. But that it took a third team to make everything work. No idea if the Jets are truly wanting to rebuild, but let's tinker with this:

Toronto gets an extended Schiefele, Rasmussen, and 17 overall in 2023 (via DET).

Winnipeg gets both 2024 first rounders from Detroit and a 2024 third rounder from Toronto.

Detroit gets an extended Matthews.

The Leafs save $4M, still have a decent center, and add a young winger and a pick.

Winnipeg gets a great return for a guy they might not be thrilled with anyway.

Detroit now has Matthews-Larkin-Kasper down the middle to accelerate their rebuild.

 

[Superstar]

How was Dubas supposed to negotiate with Matthews and Marner when he gave 11M to Tavares? They are both way better than Tavares and deserved more money. They definitely overpaid for Matthews and Marner but they didn't really have a choice.

Dubas is weak...Tavares was a UFA and was alot more accomplished than Matthews and Marner...I had no problems with Matthews' AAV, but for 5 years and all the conditions that came with his contract was brutal...same crap is happening right now with Matthews...it's greed and he should be set straight...he wants $15 million x 8 years when MacKinnon signed for $12.6 million x 8 years after winning the Cup...are you kidding me?!

 

[4thline]

How was Dubas supposed to negotiate with Matthews and Marner when he gave 11M to Tavares? They are both way better than Tavares and deserved more money. They definitely overpaid for Matthews and Marner but they didn't really have a choice.

Neither contract had anything to do with Tavares. Marner wanted as much as Matthews, and Matthews decided to ignore the discount McDavid gave Edmonton and go for as much as he could get.

 

[Peace Frog]

If Matthews was traded to Arizona, I wonder if Scottsdale would be more inclined to build a new arena and become the new home of the Yotes?

 

[Legion34]

If Matthews was traded to Arizona, I wonder if Scottsdale would be more inclined to build a new arena and become the new home of the Yotes?

Probably not.

Literally no one cares. They didn’t even market the coyotes as part of the deal in the last one.
They marketed it as a concert venue and jobs etc….

It was a 1 line at the bottom of the pamphlet.

 

[leafsfan5]

CJ on Insider trading:

- NOTHING has changed with Auston Matthews regarding his contract extension. He would still like to re-sign and remain a Toronto Maple Leaf like he said on locker clean out day
- Him and his agent are sitting back and seeing how this plays out, would like to know who the GM is and their vision for the team

He is staying a Maple Leaf

 

[Gallagbi]

CJ on Insider trading:

- NOTHING has changed with Auston Matthews regarding his contract extension. He would still like to re-sign and remain a Toronto Maple Leaf like he said on locker clean out day
- Him and his agent are sitting back and seeing how this plays out, would like to know who the GM is and their vision for the team

He is staying a Maple Leaf

These feel like contradictory statements, or at the least, not fully aligned

 

[ORRFForever]

How was Dubas supposed to negotiate with Matthews and Marner when he gave 11M to Tavares? They are both way better than Tavares and deserved more money. They definitely overpaid for Matthews and Marner but they didn't really have a choice.

Dubas should have said, "JT is the Captain and no one makes more than the Captain." What could Matthews and Marner have done?

 

[Niagara Bill]

CJ on Insider trading:

- NOTHING has changed with Auston Matthews regarding his contract extension. He would still like to re-sign and remain a Toronto Maple Leaf like he said on locker clean out day
- Him and his agent are sitting back and seeing how this plays out, would like to know who the GM is and their vision for the team

He is staying a Maple Leaf

Or, he coasted this year to help develope a possibility for Leafs to trade him. He wants less tax, more status that only NYC, LA, Tampa OR CHICAGO may be able to deliver. Rangers have players to give. How about 2 1st round picks plus Stamkos from Tampa.
AM has shown NOT to be a leader. This season he gave little for a guy who has such incredible talent.

Trade in the next 4 weeks is essential....hasta la Vista, baby

 

[Trapper]

These feel like contradictory statements, or at the least, not fully aligned

What does sitting back and sees how this plays out mean?
The vision of the new GM? Every GM should have the same vision, win the Cup.

 

[leafsfan5]

These feel like contradictory statements, or at the least, not fully aligned

I agree it looks like that, but I'm assuming what CJ means is there's nothing for AM34's camp to do right now since there is no GM. Thus, they'll sit back and wait till that is sorted out, but he would like to remain a Maple Leaf

 

[57 Years No Cup]

It's impossible to gauge the truth amidst all this, but I'll aim somewhere in the middle as a starting point.

Let's say Toronto could get a good but not great center as part of a trade package. But that it took a third team to make everything work. No idea if the Jets are truly wanting to rebuild, but let's tinker with this:

Toronto gets an extended Schiefele, Rasmussen, and 17 overall in 2023 (via DET).

Winnipeg gets both 2024 first rounders from Detroit and a 2024 third rounder from Toronto.

Detroit gets an extended Matthews.

The Leafs save $4M, still have a decent center, and add a young winger and a pick.

Winnipeg gets a great return for a guy they might not be thrilled with anyway.

Detroit now has Matthews-Larkin-Kasper down the middle to accelerate their rebuild.

You Wings fans are nuts. Why would the Leafs trade Matthews in their own division?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

CJ on Insider trading:

- NOTHING has changed with Auston Matthews regarding his contract extension. He would still like to re-sign and remain a Toronto Maple Leaf like he said on locker clean out day
- Him and his agent are sitting back and seeing how this plays out, would like to know who the GM is and their vision for the team

He is staying a Maple Leaf

Nonsense. Player speak. What's he gonna say, I want outta town now?

Or, he coasted this year to help develope a possibility for Leafs to trade him. He wants less tax, more status that only NYC, LA, Tampa OR CHICAGO may be able to deliver. Rangers have players to give. How about 2 1st round picks plus Stamkos from Tampa.
AM has shown NOT to be a leader. This season he gave little for a guy who has such incredible talent.

Trade in the next 4 weeks is essential....hasta la Vista, baby

Yup.

 

[Sniper99]

He was getting overpaid as f*** even if dubas was here

5 years 12-13M being reported

Dude isnt worth his current contract at 8 years with his injury concerns and declining play every playoffs

By who? do we not provide links anymore? No way is he offered that little. He'll want his McDavid money he thinks hes worth but shouldnt get it.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

It's impossible to gauge the truth amidst all this, but I'll aim somewhere in the middle as a starting point.

Let's say Toronto could get a good but not great center as part of a trade package. But that it took a third team to make everything work. No idea if the Jets are truly wanting to rebuild, but let's tinker with this:

Toronto gets an extended Schiefele, Rasmussen, and 17 overall in 2023 (via DET).

Winnipeg gets both 2024 first rounders from Detroit and a 2024 third rounder from Toronto.

Detroit gets an extended Matthews.

The Leafs save $4M, still have a decent center, and add a young winger and a pick.

Winnipeg gets a great return for a guy they might not be thrilled with anyway.

Detroit now has Matthews-Larkin-Kasper down the middle to accelerate their rebuild.

Matthews going in division to Detroit better return Seider++ or we shouldn’t be doing it

 

[AuraSphere]

Honestly I'd consider SJS 4th OA pick + Erik Karlsson for Matthews.

E.Karlsson is a playoff warrior and can put a team on his back

 

[Americanadian]

Honestly I'd consider SJS 4th OA pick + Erik Karlsson for Matthews.

E.Karlsson is a playoff warrior and can put a team on his back

The deal would be better if you took out Karlsson. He had the worst contract in the league going into this season. He was awesome this season but there's no promises he ever produces like that again. I'd take my chances re-investing 11.5M before spending it on a 33 year old

 

[AuraSphere]

The deal would be better if you took out Karlsson. He had the worst contract in the league going into this season. He was awesome this season but there's no promises he ever produces like that again. I'd take my chances re-investing 11.5M before spending it on a 33 year old

Yeah I mean, he's a proven playoff performer and is winning the Norris this year. He led his fringe playoff team to the conference finals back in Ottawa. Losisng Matthews does create a big gap in our C - but if he wants to leave, I don't see how you could turn down Michkov + Karlsson

 

[Boxscore]

How's this for a hockey trade: Auston Matthews to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson?

 

[ToDavid]

Mathews and boston 28th to arizona
For
Keller crouse and 6 th overall and a third round pick

Arizona gets their big star to get them on the way to finding a new home in arizona
A big star local boy could sway some city officials to change their mind

If we’re lucky, we can be as good as the perpetually rebuilding Coyotes (in before people bring up their “playoff success” because they got dragged to the conference finals by a hot goalie a decade ago).

 

[ToDavid]

I call total BS, 1 year of AM @50% to a contender in the offseason when you can shape and mold cap structure - it would be a haul.

It also beats getting nothing. You cannot chance this.

What is a contender trading away? Some late firsts?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

What does sitting back and sees how this plays out mean?
The vision of the new GM? Every GM should have the same vision, win the Cup.

They're waiting to see if the new GM will be a pansy like Dubas or someone with 'bite' who'll call them out when they disappear or play soft.

Matthews has been coddled since he got into the league, he doesn't want smoke of any kind.

 

[The Iceman]

By who? do we not provide links anymore? No way is he offered that little. He'll want his McDavid money he thinks hes worth but shouldnt get it.

Toronto tax.
$12-$13 million is highest paid player in the NHL.
You think he wants to blow the doors off everyone and play with a comprimised roster?
Or trade his wing man??

I think he will settle in that MacKinnon range.

 

[rumman]

Considering he has only 1 year left, and probably won't sign with the team he's traded to, we would probably only get a couple 1st round picks and some either washed,up or rookie talent. 8t eould hav3 to be a team that thinks it can win the cup next year. If he had 3 years left we could prob get the moon.

Put a condition in the trade that if he resigns Leafs get more, way more……….