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I just cannot handle the discourse around his value as a 1 year rental. Listening to the experts they'd have you believe he's worthless, which is clearly, without question, 100% horseshit. Teams give insane packages EVERY YEAR at the trade deadline for UFAs, and you want us to believe that he can't fetch a grade A prospect, roster player, 1st round pick +? Come on. Think about it.
 
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Warden of the North said:
I just cannot handle the discourse around his value as a 1 year rental. Listening to the experts they'd have you believe he's worthless, which is clearly, without question, 100% horseshit. Teams give insane packages EVERY YEAR at the trade deadline for UFAs, and you want us to believe that he can't fetch a grade A prospect, roster player, 1st round pick +? Come on. Think about it.
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Yup.
 
socko said:
Taken offer sheets with 4 first round picks as compensation. I'd take that for Marner in a second. I would not take that for a healthy Matthews. Which is why bending to Marner never made a sense. If you would take Marner over 4 firsts and $11 million in cap space you're crazy. I'm not crazy.
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Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):

2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection

I would not trade Mitch for Sandin, Reilly, Nylander, and Lilijegren.
 
budzz said:
Auston. Matthews. Is. Not. Getting. Traded.

You don't replace clear number 1 Centers. You build around them. We need more beef in the top 6. You can get away with one soft winger but not 2. At least one of MM or Willie (or both) go LONG before Matthews. On pace to be the leading scorer in Leafs history and some here want to dump him? Unreal.
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He might not get traded. He might Just gudreau us
 
Warden of the North said:
I just cannot handle the discourse around his value as a 1 year rental. Listening to the experts they'd have you believe he's worthless, which is clearly, without question, 100% horseshit. Teams give insane packages EVERY YEAR at the trade deadline for UFAs, and you want us to believe that he can't fetch a grade A prospect, roster player, 1st round pick +? Come on. Think about it.
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Any serious trading partner would make a deal on the basis they would expect to have a good shot at signing him. There are maybe 8-10 spots with quality organizations that could take a run at him thinking after a year they would have the major inside track. The AZ connection is a non factor because of their arena issues so there would be no obvious preferred destination.

Contingent on this would be the knowledge he would need to be overpaid but he brings a lot more than Tavares who had more than one suitor at $11M. If the club doesn't have three other forwards eating up most of the cap it makes a lot more sense to pay stupid money. He may turn out to be that 1 year rental but few clubs have ever had the chance to draft this talent level so I think there will be some teams that will stick their necks out quite a bit. Tree might be receiving some feelers right away no matter what the club has said publicly.

They still can't win the the return as much as they can win the cap. Its a tough pill as a fan but if Team Auston wants to give only 3-4 years and at healthy raise, no thanks. I can't escape the feeling Team AM will not even discuss an extension until the 11th hour and it will be for stupid money and a short term in the hopes that club will desperately grab at it because they haven't had time to explore a trade.
 
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Puckstuff said:
I have to admit, it was pretty genius of Matthews to get the no movement clause by June 30. Gives him all the negotiating power.
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I'm pretty sure that NMCs and NTCs always click in on July 1st which is the start of the NHL season. It's also pretty close to automatic for the big stars to get a full NMC for their free agent years. If anything the cleverness on the part of the agent was giving up one free agent year in the current deal. If Matthews had signed a 4 year deal, he would have been freely tradeable at the deadline of the 4th year. By giving up his first free agent year, Matthews is able to have a NMC for the upcoming season and thus can control where he ends up (unless the Leafs move him before then).
 
Some of ya'll are seriously out to lunch with what Matthews' value is as a rental with a NMC. You get rentals to help you win in the playoffs. Matthews has never stepped it up when the going gets tough.

They'd be absolutely lucky to get anymore than 2 late 1sts and a prospect.
 
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notbias said:
The Bruin formula is a joke. Outside of Krejci/Bergeron this year, everyone got paid as they should have and then outperformed their contract, no one took less than they should have, they just pretend they did.
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And because of the bonuses in the Krejci and Bergeron deals, the Bruins have $4.5M additionally against the 2023-24 cap.
 
rojac said:
And because of the bonuses in the Krejci and Bergeron deals, the Bruins have $4.5M additionally against the 2023-24 cap.
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They probably both come back and sign league min without bonuses this year just to say "sorry".

Those are the only two who really took a discount.
 
GrizzGreen said:
Leafs first round picks, last 10 years (to make 10 actual selections):

2011: Tyler Biggs (22)
2011: Stuart Percy (25)
2012: Morgan Reilly (5)
2013: Frederik Gauthier (21)
2014: William Nylander (8)
2015: Mitch Marner (4)
2016: Auston Matthews (1)
2018: Timothy Lilijegren (17)
2019: Rasmus Sandin (29)
2020: Rodion Amirov (15)
2021: No selection
2022: No selection
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JKG33 said:
Some of ya'll are seriously out to lunch with what Matthews' value is as a rental with a NMC. You get rentals to help you win in the playoffs. Matthews has never stepped it up when the going gets tough.

They'd be absolutely lucky to get anymore than 2 late 1sts and a prospect.
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Then they would just keep him for a playoff run.
 
JKG33 said:
Gio is lucky to even have an NHL contract, and Tavares certainly ain't worth his cap hit let alone more
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Are you talking about taking less or outperforming a contract? they are very different things.

Nylander clearly is outperforming his contract.

Jarkrok did.

Bunting did.

Kampf.
 
notbias said:
Are you talking about taking less or outperforming a contract? they are very different things.

Nylander clearly is outperforming his contract.

Jarkrok did.

Bunting did.

Kampf.
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Both really. Just because Tavares took a discount doesn't mean it's a good contract. And I find it difficult to say that guys who are bottom 6ers have much room to out perofmr their contracts. Bunting is a passenger and the other two are dime a dozen bottom 6 players.

Nylanders a tricky one. He took Dubas to the cleaners, but got lucky that by sitting out his cap hit went down
 
JKG33 said:
Both really. Just because Tavares took a discount doesn't mean it's a good contract. And I find it difficult to say that guys who are bottom 6ers have much room to out perofmr their contracts. Bunting is a passenger and the other two are dime a dozen bottom 6 players.

Nylanders a tricky one. He took Dubas to the cleaners, but got lucky that by sitting out his cap hit went down
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Nylander wanted 8+... but he took him to the cleaners?

Your player evaluation is just trash if you think Bunting didn't outperform his contract.

You probably wanted Hyman back at 4+ and he did the same thing.
 
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notbias said:
Nylander wanted 8+... but he took him to the cleaners?

Your player evaluation is just trash if you think Bunting didn't outperform his contract.

You probably wanted Hyman back at 4+ and he did the same thing.
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Bunting played his way out of the lineup in the playoffs with his immaturity. That's all that matters
 
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