Return for Matthews in a trade

[hullsy47]

Every year mediocre players get 1st and a prospect, Matthews is more than that.

GMs have a limited lifespan to make moves, they are incentivized to go all in and the reality is that Matthews @ 50% would be the biggest all in they can make.

I've seen Mcann, Wright, 1st offered, I've seen Kempe, Byfield, 1st offered. Matthews hasn't lit up the playoffs yet, but he has the potential to. In any case, he's still done OK in the playoffs, the real problem is his ridiculous contract demands, his playoff play has been meh, but it's been very very meh relative to what he wants and gets for money.

Mathews will get traded to a place he wants to go to
Odog says it best .he owes the leafs honesty
It's his prerogative to want to leave or stay so it is what it is
If he wants LA let him go
But he does owe the leafs that but after watching dubas not thanking the leafs for giving him a chance to be anything in the NHL

 

[TMLegend]

So what's the plan without Matthews? If the board isn't interested in a rebuild (which they certainly are not), how do we make the Leafs a more competitive playoff team by subtracting their 1C?

You don't. But maybe a step back is required before they can take a big leap forward.

The optics of making Matthews the highest paid player in the league are pretty bad given his so-so playoff track record and his mediocre play this past season. I have alot of difficulty envisioning a scenario where giving Matthews, Marner, and Nylander raises leads us to playoff success down the road.

 

[myleafs]

So what's the plan without Matthews? If the board isn't interested in a rebuild (which they certainly are not), how do we make the Leafs a more competitive playoff team by subtracting their 1C?

I was just responding to the notion that Matthews hasnt been meh in the playoffs and that he is right up there with other great players...he has been meh and is not up there with those players. Your question is a tough one and may end up being out of the leafs hands anyways depending on Matthews. How competitive are we going to be with our top guys making even more money than they do now?

I think they work out a deal and Matthews get paid big and that will be the first domino....with Marner gone right after and maybe Nylander which if you think Matthews is the one to build around then you pay him and go from there. Im questioning if he is the guy you pay like that and build around. He hasnt shown me he is in Mckinnon or Crosby or Tkachuk territory as far as leading goes, even though I do acknowledge he is our best C-man that we have had in a long long time.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

You don't. But maybe a step back is required before they can take a big leap forward.

The optics of making Matthews the highest paid player in the league are pretty bad given his so-so playoff track record and his mediocre play this past season. I have alot of difficulty envisioning a scenario where giving Matthews, Marner, and Nylander raises leads us to playoff success down the road.

 

[authentic]

I was just responding to the notion that Matthews hasnt been meh in the playoffs and that he is right up there with other great players...he has been meh and is not up there with those players. Your question is a tough one and may end up being out of the leafs hands anyways depending on Matthews. How competitive are we going to be with our top guys making even more money than they do now?

I think they work out a deal and Matthews get paid big and that will be the first domino....with Marner gone right after and maybe Nylander which if you think Matthews is the one to build around then you pay him and go from there. Im questioning if he is the guy you pay like that and build around. He hasnt shown me he is in Mckinnon or Crosby or Tkachuk territory as far as leading goes, even though I do acknowledge he is our best C-man that we have had in a long long time.

He had one really bad playoff series and has been hurt in a few of them. Two series in a row against Tampa he was the best player in the series. That's something only a handful of players are really capable of.

Before game 3 against Florida where he got smashed in the hand with a slapshot from the point, and was shaking his hand in noticeable pain, he was on a 12 game point streak going back to last season in the playoffs, while providing 100+ hits, 40+ takeaways, 40+ blocked shots, 37 points in 37 games and basically never taking a penalty in his last 4 playoff runs.

 

[myleafs]

He had one really bad playoff series and has been hurt in a few of them. Two series in a row against Tampa he was the best player in the series. That's something only a handful of players are really capable of.

Thats fine if you see it that way. I dont. He is good, I just dont think he is as good as some do but its all good, differing opinions are what makes things interesting in here.

 

[Menzinger]

You don't. But maybe a step back is required before they can take a big leap forward.

The optics of making Matthews the highest paid player in the league are pretty bad given his so-so playoff track record and his mediocre play this past season. I have alot of difficulty envisioning a scenario where giving Matthews, Marner, and Nylander raises leads us to playoff success down the road.

But again, how do you take this big leap forward without a 1C? Not to be overly argumentative, it's just this seems like a massive question that has no clear answer.

The Leafs have drafted 1 1C in the last 30+ years - Matthews.

 

[authentic]

But again, how do you take this big leap forward without a 1C? Not to be overly argumentative, it's just this seems like a massive question that has no clear answer.

The Leafs have drafted 1 1C in the last 30+ years - Matthews.

Let's see, trade a once in a lifetime 60 goal two-way center, or one of our elite wingers? Not a tough decision at all.

People underestimate how bad we would be without the top 2 centers we have, and even losing Tavares would be worse than people think nevermind Matthews.

 

[authentic]

Thats fine if you see it that way. I dont. He is good, I just dont think he is as good as some do but its all good, differing opinions are what makes things interesting in here.

Yeah it's good getting differing opinions and in many ways I certainly see where you and others are coming from, he has left a lot to be desired in the playoffs along with the rest of the team whether it be due to injuries or not, which are also a concern going forward. At the end of the day I just firmly believe we would regret it big time getting rid of him, even if for a decent player or two and some draft picks.

The whole point of having cap space is to get the best players available, and the players he's comparable to in cap who have scored a ton in the playoffs are not available, and when it comes down to it you wouldn't want a few of them over Matthews anyway because you're losing a two-way player for offense only guys like Draisaitl and Kucherov. I would bet good money that trading Matthews for Draisaitl (won't even get into Kucherov or Pastrnak because they would very clearly make our team worse being mainly offensive wingers) straight up would make us a worse team.

 

[geo25]

I was just responding to the notion that Matthews hasnt been meh in the playoffs and that he is right up there with other great players...he has been meh and is not up there with those players. Your question is a tough one and may end up being out of the leafs hands anyways depending on Matthews. How competitive are we going to be with our top guys making even more money than they do now?

I think they work out a deal and Matthews get paid big and that will be the first domino....with Marner gone right after and maybe Nylander which if you think Matthews is the one to build around then you pay him and go from there. Im questioning if he is the guy you pay like that and build around. He hasnt shown me he is in Mckinnon or Crosby or Tkachuk territory as far as leading goes, even though I do acknowledge he is our best C-man that we have had in a long long time.

AM is not a leader. Imho he has demonstrated a me, me, me ...lack of drive guy that has taken many nights off. His wrist situation & the big drop off in production are concerning. I would trade him....

 

[57 Years No Cup]

AM is not a leader. Imho he has demonstrated a me, me, me ...lack of drive guy that has taken many nights off. His wrist situation & the big drop off in production are concerning. I would trade him....

 

[trellaine201]

Be prepared to be underwhelmed. A guy going into his last year before FA. Be underwhelmed unless by some strange reason he signs LT before the season. Why would he even do this.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I doubt this in the cards any time soon, but if it were to be contemplated, it would absolutely have to be a sign and trade scenario in order to maximize the return.

 

[thewave]

AM is not a leader. Imho he has demonstrated a me, me, me ...lack of drive guy that has taken many nights off. His wrist situation & the big drop off in production are concerning. I would trade him....

Short term deal is better. Retains more value for us

We don't know how bad the wrist is. I am interested in knowing more about this injury.

Sign and trade could be an option.

 

[geo25]

Short term deal is better. Retains more value for us

We don't know how bad the wrist is. I am interested in knowing more about this injury.

Sign and trade could be an option.

If he agrees. Trev will know after meeting with him .
..esp since he's been down that road before. Trust him over Dubas on this for sure. Dubas would just give him what he wanted and even that may not appeal to him as much as say LA?

 

[geo25]

Mathews will get traded to a place he wants to go to
Odog says it best .he owes the leafs honesty
It's his prerogative to want to leave or stay so it is what it is
If he wants LA let him go
But he does owe the leafs that but after watching dubas not thanking the leafs for giving him a chance to be anything in the NHL

These guys have no honour...in their minds they dont owe anyone a thing. Did Dubas thanks Shanny for his NHL shot? Trev is no fool...he'll know what to do.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

I said this in the other post, but would a deal of Auston Matthew for Sebastian Aho work. Both are UFA next year. Matthew may needs to be convince to sign a contract extension with Carolina.

 

[Boxscore]

I said this in the other post, but would a deal of Auston Matthew for Sebastian Aho work. Both are UFA next year. Matthew may needs to be convince to sign a contract extension with Carolina.

I'd much rather try to shock the hockey world pull off an Auston Matthews for Elias Pettersson swap out of the blue. Behind the scenes allow Vancouver and Matthews to verbally agree on a 5-6 year extension and send him to the Canucks to play with the mini Team USA they are building over there. The Alien can be our Mats Sundin 2.0 and we can use the money savings on a much needed depth piece or upgrade on defense.

 

[authentic]

I said this in the other post, but would a deal of Auston Matthew for Sebastian Aho work. Both are UFA next year. Matthew may needs to be convince to sign a contract extension with Carolina.

So you want to get smaller and softer and not as good at scoring goals?

 

[ToneDog]

I'd much rather try to shock the hockey world pull off an Auston Matthews for Elias Pettersson swap out of the blue. Behind the scenes allow Vancouver and Matthews to verbally agree on a 5-6 year extension and send him to the Canucks to play with the mini Team USA they are building over there. The Alien can be our Mats Sundin 2.0 and we can use the money savings on a much needed depth piece or upgrade on defense.

Why would the Canucks trade for a guy who probably has zero interest in signing an extension with them for their best player who is on a team friend cap hit and should be on his next deal whereas Matty wants every penny.

Look at those huge signing bonuses Pettersson got out of the Canucks. Our guys are so f***ing spoiled rotten and couldn't give a shit about the crest on their chests. Let's see if it all about the money for Matty in July.

 

[AustonMarner]

In a Matthews trade I would seek the equivalent of four 1st round picks

Just an example

Ducks trade

Mason McTavish
Max Jones
Pavel Mintyukov
1st rd Pick 23' or 24

Toronto trade

Auston Matthews

 

[tsujimoto74]

Should get similar or better return Sabres got for Eich. Tuch, Krebs, conditional 1st and conditional 2nd.

I'd be happy with #2OA, MacTavish and Drysdale. Could add a 3rd to get it done. Do we have any left ?

Eichel had 5 years and no trade protection. Matthews is a pending UFA and, as of July 1, will have a full NMC. Those are obviously huge factors.

 

[ToneDog]

Eichel had 5 years and no trade protection. Matthews is a pending UFA and, as of July 1, will have a full NMC. Those are obviously huge factors.

Any Matthews trade will be to a team that he signs with like Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[hullsy47]

In a Matthews trade I would seek the equivalent of four 1st round picks

Just an example

Ducks trade

Mason McTavish
Max Jones
Pavel Mintyukov
1st rd Pick 23' or 24

Toronto trade

Auston Matthews

Thats a deal.i know people in Toronto lo e mathews
We all do but if he is honest and I believe he will be the decision in the end is his
Johnny hockey did it .if mathews loves Toronto then he'll sign for 4 more years .
The next 5 years u build a team around him
If he wants to leave then u get a haul similar to this deal

 

[AustonMarner]

Thats a deal.i know people in Toronto lo e mathews
We all do but if he is honest and I believe he will be the decision in the end is his
Johnny hockey did it .if mathews loves Toronto then he'll sign for 4 more years .
The next 5 years u build a team around him
If he wants to leave then u get a haul similar to this deal

If Matthews doesn't sign pre July 1st there must be a contingency trade plan option because the team can't risk losing him for nothing walking him to UFA... that would be horrible asset management...hopefully Trevling learned from his Gaudreau blunder