will1066
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In b4 Panera Bread becomes a team sponsor, opens an outlet inside MSG, and has Sam announcing on air that he's available to consume soup and sandwiches.
Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Artemi Panarin (7 years, $11.64M AAV)
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Matt4776
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That just makes our team more expensive and doesn't solve the problem that we have one good center.
The idea is to add to Zibanejad.
Inferno
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I dunno.... zibanejad is what... 25? And is on a super cheap deal? He's not someone I'm looking to move. Zibenjad plus for aho isn't a move we necessarily need to make.
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The difference between drafting Kakko and any other forward that came in after? Leaving the talent to the side it accelerated the rebuild at least by a year.
Ghost of jas
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We can't now for another year
Not with the signing of Panarin. Everything has changed.
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The idea is the get better.
I personally believe Aho is a legit #1 center whereas I see Zibby as a Lower end #1 or a higher end #2. Aho is also younger.
IMO if you get Aho, the need for a top scoring second young center becomes way less. Aho will do more of the heavy lifting. You need a long term solution there at 2C, but I’m no longer pining for Byfield. Conversely, right now, I’m 1C hunting.
It's easy. You take one part of Panarin, a little Trouba and finally some Kakkoa. Just add ice.
Jaromir Jagr
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I'll just say something for those of us that didn't want Panarin here.
Us not wanting him had nothing to do with the player. It also had nothing to do with our hope that the Rangers succeed or fail in the coming years. Despite what many say, none of us want to tank for draft picks forever.
However, many of us have waited 15+ years for a true rebuild. We have watched big name stars come and go, whether through FA or trade. Often overpaid. Almost always under-performing. Of course, the true hitch being that not one could bring us a cup. We've seen countless incarnations of teams built around marquee players and our one homegrown star, Hank.
1+ year ago, we finally thought we'd seen a new route being taken. We saw the franchise, with the potential to cling to playoff contention, sell many of its stars. It was unlike what many of us had ever seen from this team before. Then we followed it up with a strong draft and another season of dumping and gathering. Bringing in Fox, Kakko and a young Trouba - filling a position that has seemingly been impossible to fill for those 15+ years - was icing on the cake. One more season of developing and asset gathering was what we'd hoped for.
Now, the rebuild is undoubtedly complete. We are entering compete mode. We are seeking to add, rather than subtract. We are investing big money, in a late 20's winger, something we have witnessed various instances of over the years - Gaborik, Nash, St. Louis. And are still lacking dearly in the center department - again, a common issue that has remained throughout the years.
While I'm sure none of us will stop rooting for them based on this signing, it stinks of same old Rangers. The path that was laid out was not seen through. We didn't add to a place of need, because we never discovered what areas we needed in the first place. Very clearly, we seemed to put the cart before the horse.
This type of operation has always been mired in mediocrity or reached peaks that are just not quite good enough. Which is where our fears will remain until we're proven wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a hard time seeing how this will be any different from those times before.
I know many will find points to disagree with in this post and it's not what it was written for. It was to try and give insight as to what some of us may be thinking in the anti-Panarin camp.
Us not wanting him had nothing to do with the player. It also had nothing to do with our hope that the Rangers succeed or fail in the coming years. Despite what many say, none of us want to tank for draft picks forever.
However, many of us have waited 15+ years for a true rebuild. We have watched big name stars come and go, whether through FA or trade. Often overpaid. Almost always under-performing. Of course, the true hitch being that not one could bring us a cup. We've seen countless incarnations of teams built around marquee players and our one homegrown star, Hank.
1+ year ago, we finally thought we'd seen a new route being taken. We saw the franchise, with the potential to cling to playoff contention, sell many of its stars. It was unlike what many of us had ever seen from this team before. Then we followed it up with a strong draft and another season of dumping and gathering. Bringing in Fox, Kakko and a young Trouba - filling a position that has seemingly been impossible to fill for those 15+ years - was icing on the cake. One more season of developing and asset gathering was what we'd hoped for.
Now, the rebuild is undoubtedly complete. We are entering compete mode. We are seeking to add, rather than subtract. We are investing big money, in a late 20's winger, something we have witnessed various instances of over the years - Gaborik, Nash, St. Louis. And are still lacking dearly in the center department - again, a common issue that has remained throughout the years.
While I'm sure none of us will stop rooting for them based on this signing, it stinks of same old Rangers. The path that was laid out was not seen through. We didn't add to a place of need, because we never discovered what areas we needed in the first place. Very clearly, we seemed to put the cart before the horse.
This type of operation has always been mired in mediocrity or reached peaks that are just not quite good enough. Which is where our fears will remain until we're proven wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a hard time seeing how this will be any different from those times before.
I know many will find points to disagree with in this post and it's not what it was written for. It was to try and give insight as to what some of us may be thinking in the anti-Panarin camp.
Ghost of jas
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Gonna be tough to make a substantial trade on free agent day. Until the dust settles the market won't be clear.
For example, Montreal and the Islanders are chasing Lee. If he stays on the island, Montreal would likely be a prime candidate for Kreider. If Lee goes to Montreal, NYI have no offense and you could bend them over the barrel if you wanted.
Tawnos
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All of this is basically "I didn't understand the path that was laid out."
There were anti-Panarin reasons that was much more understandable.
Agreed. I also am not so sure I'd support this without the Kakko pick and Trouba trade, but the stars aligned quickly and the Rangers pounced. Can't blame them for that.
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hey hanrahan!
Based on the Rangers history, winning the cup is apparently not the main focus.
Jaromir Jagr
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Nice response.
There were, of course, many legitimate reasons regarding age, construction of team, etc.
But this was from a theoretical perspective. Clearly that went over your head.
What a lousy offer sheet. I’m surprised he even signed it. Montreal did them a favor
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
We were talking Panarin when the dumb ass fans were hoping we'd made a loser point playoff push cuz we ain't tanking.
will1066
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hey hanrahan!
Tawnos
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It's true. If you thought the path that was laid out included "not signing elite-level UFAs" you were wrong from the very beginning. The goal of the team in starting down this path was to add as much top-end talent through whatever methods were possible at any moment. The most effective way to get multiples of those pieces is through the draft, and the most effective way to draft them is by stripping the team for parts and getting as many picks as possible as high as possible.
But it never, EVER precluded signing a guy like this in free agency. You didn't understand that.
Ghost of jas
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You get Aho to fit in behind Zibanejad. You trade him for Aho and you still need another center.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Richards and St. Louis and Nash were UFA signings and if the Rangers PP had more luck and a couple of posts turned into goals, who knows - we could've had a Cup in 2014.
I've been through all the FA signings as well. Been a fan since 89'. The difference is they never made this type of signing with a Kappo or a Kravstov on the team. The didn't have a stockpile of youth in all positions waiting to crack the roster over the next 3 years either.
I understand and agree with a lot of what you say there, but in the end it's about winning and only winning. I dont think Gorts and JD wouldve made this move if they didnt believe it truly enhances the rebuild they committed to.
Its hard for me to stomach that cap hit too but this summer has been absolutely tremendous. If you think about where this team was at the start of last season and today its pretty mind blowing
Richards and St. Louis and Nash were UFA signings and if the Rangers PP had more luck and a couple of posts turned into goals, who knows - we could've had a Cup in 2014.
I've been through all the FA signings as well. Been a fan since 89'. The difference is they never made this type of signing with a Kappo or a Kravstov on the team. The didn't have a stockpile of youth in all positions waiting to crack the roster over the next 3 years either.
I understand and agree with a lot of what you say there, but in the end it's about winning and only winning. I dont think Gorts and JD wouldve made this move if they didnt believe it truly enhances the rebuild they committed to.
Its hard for me to stomach that cap hit too but this summer has been absolutely tremendous. If you think about where this team was at the start of last season and today its pretty mind blowing
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