Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Doges -- 12/15/21

[Salsa Shark]

its an indicator of winning close games, and getting the occasional lopsided loss. Thats it

We had a good goal differential on the strength of two Flyer blowouts last year and were not a good team

 

[duhmetreE]

Really hope this gets Zibs going.

He needs to be leading the way in goal scoring. Saw positive signs last night... Faceoffs was a nice plus as well.

 

[mas0764]

I'll take the record we have with the goal differential that is there. Every team gets blown out at times.

It does tell me that we win close games....I would think that should tell us all something, no?

We aren't really on the level of other teams with similar records. There are a number of indicators of that at this point and goal differential is one of them. Should be fairly obvious at this point.

 

[mas0764]

I'd take Reilly Smith any day on this team but you've got to be kidding if you think Gallant is only going to give him 3rd line minutes and certainly not ahead of Kravtsov.

My conceptualization of the "third line," would still be pretty hefty minutes. That line should be a third scoring line and it really shouldn't be that much of a demotion but rather who fits best with who.

 

[clmetsfan]

Georgiev is the biggest lockeroom cancer in the NHL and Kinkaid is beloved is my point. Kinkaid was no worse than Georgiev tonight, while being 100x the teammate. Kinkaid is a Brendan Smith like character. Watch the video of the team and Kinkaid at the end of this game and then contrast it with the team and Georgiev after his wins.

Impressive that you know so much about the Rangers' lockerroom dynamics despite never spending time with any of them, but not nearly as impressive as knowing about all the other teams' lockerrom dynamics despite never spending any time with any of them. Kudos sir!

 

[Mandar]

We aren't really on the level of other teams with similar records. There are a number of indicators of that at this point and goal differential is one of them. Should be fairly obvious at this point.

Maybe so....but good teams DO lose to lesser teams (lets compare our record against Chicago to Washington's record against Chicago).

Tell me why goal differential means anything.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Really hope this gets Zibs going.

He needs to be leading the way in goal scoring. Saw positive signs last night... Faceoffs was a nice plus as well.

I know yesterdays game wasn't great but our biggest gripes have been Zibanajad doing nothing and lack of production from our top picks. We got both yesterday. If this game gets both Zib and Kakko going it could have been us losing 6-2 and it would still be a good thing.

 

[Kovalev27]

It's a decent indicator of something.

its +10 lol

 

[Salsa Shark]

its +10 lol

The Golden Knights (Who a half dozen posters here think we shouldn't even bother to suit up against) are +13. Its a crazy talking point IMO. If we are Detroit who is in WC contention with a -27 yea that would be something worth mentioning.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

its +10 lol

Seriously lol, I know it’s not amazing but some of the talk you’d think it was -30.

 

[Kovalev27]

We’re a point out of first place in the whole league. Do people not watch other teams play? Everyone has tough nights. Everyone gets tired everyone has injuries. No one is running out there 30 games in playing 60 mins of great hockey. If they were they’d be 10 points clear of us FFS. We just went thru a ridiculous stretch and gutted out a win that no one will care about in a week. It’s 2 pts shut up

 

[mas0764]

Maybe so....but good teams DO lose to lesser teams (lets compare our record against Chicago to Washington's record against Chicago).

Tell me why goal differential means anything.

It's suggestive of the quality of your wins and losses.

If we have 19 wins but only a +10 that means we aren't in general performing as well as a team that has 19 wins but a +27 goal differential.

It's not conclusive but it's suggestive. Combined with other advanced stats and you will see that this team is struggling big time in some areas. That record of ours is a partial mirage, and by that I mean it's either going to be a historical exception (which we shouldn't bank on) or it's not sustainable.

It's not to say we suck. I've long been saying we are a playoff team this year come hell or high water - we have too many good players not to make the playoffs.

But I'm not fooling myself to think this team is going to win multiple 7 game series' against the league's elite. Not happening. A team this bad at 5-on-5 doesn't go on those type of runs.

I reserve the right to amend this conclusion if they DO actually start playing well at 5-on-5, which, with so many young kids having the ability to make leaps, and Zibanejad playing so poorly right now with room to improve, is a possibility.

 

[romba]

Sure, I'd rather a few blowout wins while we were on and flaying out there, too often the other goalie played spectacular which might partially be our guys inability to finish. In any case, if we are as good as our record indicates, it'll balance out with more games playing lights out and having the other goalie also have a shitty night.

 

[chosen]

Not for nothing I see teams going thru Covid issues. No one ever felt sorry for us. We didn’t have it hit all at once but

trouba
Kakko
Chytil
Mika
Fox
Mckegg
Rooney
Strome
Kinkaid

that we know of. I believe I read Lindgren too

all had it already. And again that’s the ones we know of. Between vaccinations and the fact we had so many guys have it already you’d hope knock on wood the worst is behind us here while other teams go thru it

You can get it more than once, although it's not very likely. How Omicron will effect this is unknown.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We’re a point out of first place in the whole league. Do people not watch other teams play? Everyone has tough nights. Everyone gets tired everyone has injuries. No one is running out there 30 games in playing 60 mins of great hockey. If they were they’d be 10 points clear of us FFS. We just went thru a ridiculous stretch and gutted out a win that no one will care about in a week. It’s 2 pts shut up

Agree with everything you are saying but they haven't played too many games this year where the ice wasn't tilted against them. We have been hanging on by kreider's start as well as Shesterkin. We need more scoring from guys that should be scoring

 

[mas0764]

Agree with everything you are saying but they haven't played too many games this year where the ice wasn't tilted against them. We have been hanging on by kreider's start as well as Shesterkin. We need more scoring from guys that should be scoring

We need more offensive pressure and possession. Shesterkin's start carried us and then Kreider's constant deflection goals also buoyed us, as well as the constant god-mode performance from one of the best players in the world in Panarin.

More than that will be needed to win in 7 games series' in the playoffs.

 

[hackeyman]

The Golden Knights (Who a half dozen posters here think we shouldn't even bother to suit up against) are +13. Its a crazy talking point IMO. If we are Detroit who is in WC contention with a -27 yea that would be something worth mentioning.

The Golden Knights are plus 11 in December as 3 of their best players including their best have come back in the lineup .

 

[Mandar]

It's suggestive of the quality of your wins and losses.

If we have 19 wins but only a +10 that means we aren't in general performing as well as a team that has 19 wins but a +27 goal differential.

It's not conclusive but it's suggestive. Combined with other advanced stats and you will see that this team is struggling big time in some areas. That record of ours is a partial mirage, and by that I mean it's either going to be a historical exception (which we shouldn't bank on) or it's not sustainable.

It's not to say we suck. I've long been saying we are a playoff team this year come hell or high water - we have too many good players not to make the playoffs.

But I'm not fooling myself to think this team is going to win multiple 7 game series' against the league's elite. Not happening. A team this bad at 5-on-5 doesn't go on those type of runs.

I reserve the right to amend this conclusion if they DO actually start playing well at 5-on-5, which, with so many young kids having the ability to make leaps, and Zibanejad playing so poorly right now with room to improve, is a possibility.

Thank you...and I appreciate your explanation here (refreshing to have a mature discussion).

I still dont put much stock in goal differential, as it doesnt reflect anything other than how many goals a team wins by (and skewed by empty netters, etc.). Of course, wins are more impressive with big differentials, but other factors effect that (strength of schedule, home/away splits, injuries to key players, etc). By no means do I think they are a powerhouse based on the fine record, but I would much rather be in the position we are in than a worse one because our goal differential isnt as pretty.

Totally agree that it boggles the mind how bad our 5 on 5 play has been....as the season goes on, I would bet that improves significantly as the season progresses (which is certainly - in my opinion - reason for much optimism).

 

[Chytilmania]

Impressive that you know so much about the Rangers' lockerroom dynamics despite never spending time with any of them, but not nearly as impressive as knowing about all the other teams' lockerrom dynamics despite never spending any time with any of them. Kudos sir!

I’ve been with a few players and staff members. Georgiev is by far the least liked on the team. His attitude and body language continues to reinforce that.

 

[McRanger92]

We need more offensive pressure and possession. Shesterkin's start carried us and then Kreider's constant deflection goals also buoyed us, as well as the constant god-mode performance from one of the best players in the world in Panarin.

More than that will be needed to win in 7 games series' in the playoffs.

Actually its not, considering many teams have made deep runs on the backs of star goalies, a few elite skaters and timely goal scoring. They need to improve 5 v 5 but that will happen when Mika starts using his shot (last night was a good start) and the kids show some consistency

 

[hackeyman]

How do you know* this?

*Apart from your own fantasy, which is arguably bigger than the entire Disney filmography.

Well there is plenty of evidence of what type of teammate he is on the ice and on the bench. Common sense would say it spills into the locker room.In law if you have "plenty" of circumstantial evidence it counts as evidence. There are plenty of examples but I will say this: the last time I saw a Goalie make an on ice gesture like that at teammates for a goal (not to mention one he was mostly at fault for) was in pee wee hockey when the coaches son was in net.

 

[mas0764]

Actually its not, considering many teams have made deep runs on the backs of star goalies, a few elite skaters and timely goal scoring.

Which ones won Cups? That's what I want to emulate. The one that won multiple Cups.

I know the 2012-16 Rangers won multiple series' on the back of a star goalie and timely scoring from, basically, exclusively role players on offense. Not interested in that because again, I know how that ends. Without a ring.

 

[Ned Braden]

I'd rather the pizza boy build an elite young team than a second round playoff exit 30 year old team.

Rangers are the third youngest team in the league, and going to the 2nd round of the playoffs would a succes this year. What the f*** are you talking about?

 

[McRanger92]

Which ones won Cups? That's what I want to emulate. The one that won multiple Cups.

I know the 2012-16 Rangers won multiple series' on the back of a star goalie and timely scoring from, basically, exclusively role players on offense. Not interested in that because again, I know how that ends. Without a ring.

Rangers are in first place in their division on Christmas, with 8 million in cap space. Their direct competitors have $0 in cap space. Basically they are willingly playing with an incomplete team and still hanging with the rest. Theres no doubt the organization is going to deal picks & prospects to beef up this team, most likely with rentals. Elite goalie play with Igor, elite skaters who can win games by themselves (Panarin/Fox) and added depth at F & D will make them as formidable as anyone in the East in a playoff series.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers are the third youngest team in the league, and going to the 2nd round of the playoffs would a succes this year. What the f*** are you talking about?

We lack enough young forwards. Sure it's fine to have a Kreider if you also have a Kravtsov and another young center who can eventually be a 1C, like if we had managed to trade up for Lundell or something. But we don't. Instead we have Blaises and Hunts.

Something has to give. We lack enough young forwards. Until they have them I will continue to criticize "pizza boy," for not finishing the rebuild properly.