Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Doges -- 12/15/21

[Peltz]

Why are people so perplexed by the idea of letting players play if they have Covid. If they get vaccinated and virus indeed does what viruses do and becomes milder, and as people have been predicting this virus will be endemic they have no choice. Unless you think 20 years from now with a weaker virus with vaccines and likely all sorts of treatments the NHL will be postponing games at an alarming rate. What exactly is the alternative?

Edit: People have been predicting not pretending the virus will be endemic.

We aren't at that stage. Not even close.

 

[Peltz]

At that point we should just fold the league. I mean, postpone every possible game till eternity?

Why are you engaging in this slippery-slope fallacy line of thinking? If a person has COVID, the flu, mononucleosis, measles, chicken pox, or any other kind of contagious disease, he should not play because you don't want others getting sick. That is not controversial. A first grader can understand that.


COVID is particularly contagious and we are in a pandemic. So extra precautions are taken to test players. This is basic science. Like, literally elementary school levels of knowledge.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why are you engaging in this slippery-slope fallacy line of thinking? If a person has COVID, the flu, mononucleosis, measles, chicken pox, or any other kind of contagious disease, he should not play because you don't want others getting sick. That is not controversial. A first grader can understand that.


COVID is particularly contagious and we are in a pandemic. So extra precautions are taken to test players. This is basic science. Like, literally elementary school levels of knowledge.

I haven't said anything about now. But at some point, just testing positive shouldn't be enough not to play because then it'll never end since Covid isn't going away.

 

[Peltz]

I haven't said anything about now. But at some point, just testing positive shouldn't be enough not to play because then it'll never end since Covid isn't going away.

The best hope is that COVID does become more like the flu. But even if a player has the flu today, you still don't let him play. And if the whole team gets the flu, you cancel it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Guy, its December 16th. DECEMBER 16th. There have been 29 games played. They have a new coach. Their #1 goalie has been out the last two weeks. And yet starting today they are 1st in the Metro. Breathe dude breathe. You’re allowed to have concerns about the team, I certainly have mine, but you take it to another level. You cant just enjoy that they won a game. That is the big problem here. Not even halfway through the season yet. Let’s see where they are in 15 games. If they fall off a cliff then you can have the world is ending type posts. Just dont see that happening under Gallant.

And when they are sitting their top 3 in the Metro, they will add the depth pieces they are missing.

Also, from 2005-2020, the Rangers went to (2) ECFs and (1) SCF. In fact lets shorten that time frame from 2010-2015. In a 5 year period thats what they did. Other fan bases would kill just to have that. Because you realize out of now 32 fan bases, only 1 gets to enjoy a SCF. Sure they fell short, but I certainly would go that route all over again leaning on a hot goaltender and hoping for a better outcome. There is certainly more talent this time around.

You also seem to forget this team is still really young.

Again, you're impressed that they barely beat the worst team in the league in perhaps decades. I am not that easily impressed.

You don't see that happening under Gallant, but the only wins they've had this month are against teams who are not in a playoff position - it's already happening. They are 2-3 in their last 5 and the two wins of theirs were against two teams who have a combined 44 points. The team they struggled to beat last night has nearly 30 less points than the Rangers (!), and they struggled to beat them - seriously, that doesn't make you say "hmmm, that seems off, that shouldn't be if they are as good as I think they are." The last time they beat a team that is/was in a playoff position was November 8th against the Panthers (where they were outplayed from puck drop and only won because Shesterkin put on a godly, otherworldly performance). That was over a month ago. The rub on this team is that they can beat up on the bad teams but when push comes to shove against the actual good teams, they falter. That narrative has certainly been proven more right then wrong this month.

They are not good 5v5 and they rely too much on their goaltending to win. These are not recipes for success. But the fact is this isn't any different than they've been playing all year - they were just getting away with it because they had an incredibly easy schedule up until that Avs game (third easiest in the entire league).

Your view is incredibly shortsighted. You see them tied for 1st in the metro. You're right, it's December, but that argument goes both ways. I've been watching this team for way too many years get off to hot starts and then struggle to make the playoffs. They are only 3 games ahead of the Penguins, who seem to always find a way even though 90% of their team is always injured. I see them one bad week from being in a wildcard spot.

Long view. Playoffs. Championship. These things are important. You're planning a parade for them beating THE COYOTES in December. I see a team that struggles to beat the Coyotes struggling to beat the following teams: The Capitals, the Canes, the Penguins - teams that actual PLAY in the playoffs.

I'm glad the Rangers went to those ECF and the one final, but let's look at the real number that matters here - ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Let's want them to play in a way that will lead them to championships. This team doesn't play that way.

 

[Fvital92]

The best hope is that COVID does become more like the flu. But even if a player has the flu today, you still don't let him play. And if the whole team gets the flu, you cancel it.

That is the thing. If a player has the flu and isn't sympthomatic he plays. They don't get tested every day to know if they has the virus.

 

[tlk]

It rapidly becomes like flu. But politically it all drags on.

 

[RGY]

Again, you're impressed that they barely beat the worst team in the league in perhaps decades. I am not that easily impressed.

You don't see that happening under Gallant, but the only wins they've had this month are against teams who are not in a playoff position - it's already happening. They are 2-3 in their last 5 and the two wins of theirs were against two teams who have a combined 44 points. The team they struggled to beat last night has nearly 30 less points than the Rangers (!), and they struggled to beat them - seriously, that doesn't make you say "hmmm, that seems off, that shouldn't be if they are as good as I think they are." The last time they beat a team that is/was in a playoff position was November 8th against the Panthers (where they were outplayed from puck drop and only won because Shesterkin put on a godly, otherworldly performance). That was over a month ago. The rub on this team is that they can beat up on the bad teams but when push comes to shove against the actual good teams, they falter. That narrative has certainly been proven more right then wrong this month.

They are not good 5v5 and they rely too much on their goaltending to win. These are not recipes for success. But the fact is this isn't any different than they've been playing all year - they were just getting away with it because they had an incredibly easy schedule up until that Avs game (third easiest in the entire league).

Your view is incredibly shortsighted. You see them tied for 1st in the metro. You're right, it's December, but that argument goes both ways. I've been watching this team for way too many years get off to hot starts and then struggle to make the playoffs. They are only 3 games ahead of the Penguins, who seem to always find a way even though 90% of their team is always injured. I see them one bad week from being in a wildcard spot.

Long view. Playoffs. Championship. These things are important. You're planning a parade for them beating THE COYOTES in December. I see a team that struggles to beat the Coyotes struggling to beat the following teams: The Capitals, the Canes, the Penguins - teams that actual PLAY in the playoffs.

I'm glad the Rangers went to those ECF and the one final, but let's look at the real number that matters here - ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS. Let's want them to play in a way that will lead them to championships. This team doesn't play that way.

I really just gave up on your long diatribe once I read the bolded. It exemplifies how bothered you are by this team that you can get this excitable, upset over a game on December 15th, that you interpreted me being satisfied with one win as also ready to “plan a parade”. No sir, because its only now December 17th I am not going to overreact and let things play out more considering yes they are still in 1st in the Metro.

You look at all the negatives. You point to 5v5 play. I point to their great success on both sides of special teams. Something they struggled early on with and have improved since. Maybe, just maybe, its possible they improve in some of those other areas you are ranting about too? Maybe as more time goes on with this still new coaching staff, the team gets even more familiar with them and play improves even more.

I would advise just not to watch if you think its all settled that this team does not play in a way that can lead to a championship. Again, on December 17th…

 

[clmetsfan]

Well there is plenty of evidence of what type of teammate he is on the ice and on the bench. Common sense would say it spills into the locker room.In law if you have "plenty" of circumstantial evidence it counts as evidence. There are plenty of examples but I will say this: the last time I saw a Goalie make an on ice gesture like that at teammates for a goal (not to mention one he was mostly at fault for) was in pee wee hockey when the coaches son was in net.

Hank used to make gestures like that ALL THE TIME when his defense hung him out to dry.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I really just gave up on your long diatribe once I read the bolded. It exemplifies how bothered you are by this team that you can get this excitable, upset over a game on December 15th, that you interpreted me being satisfied with one win as also ready to “plan a parade”. No sir, because its only now December 17th I am not going to overreact and let things play out more considering yes they are still in 1st in the Metro.

You look at all the negatives. You point to 5v5 play. I point to their great success on both sides of special teams. Something they struggled early on with and have improved since. Maybe, just maybe, its possible they improve in some of those other areas you are ranting about too? Maybe as more time goes on with this still new coaching staff, the team gets even more familiar with them and play improves even more.

I would advise just not to watch if you think its all settled that this team does not play in a way that can lead to a championship. Again, on December 17th…

If they are going to live and die by the powerplay and PK then the season is over. When I see the improvement I'll note it, and maybe it will happen. But it's we're almost through the 4th month of the season and it's still there. All of the bad habits that they have acquired because they got away with these wins early in the season are still there and they think they can play like that all the time and win. Their recent history is proving that that is not the case. At what point are they going to start playing better?

 

[Cmox]

There is a theraputic that has shown tremendous benefits in stopping infection, hence stopping the spread. Japan and India lead the world in the fewest cases per million after implementing this therapeutic nationwide. And not long ago both those countries were in dire straits. And they are not alone. There are many other parts of the world that also eliminated the pandemic. The US and other wealthy countries have turned a blind eye to these remarkable results and put all the eggs in the vaccine basket worth billions of dollars in government contracts. So what happens in the NHL, is fairly insignficant compared to what is going on with our government. They could end this tomorrow if they wanted.

It’s all money, never about safety. Pfizer just bought Arena pharmaceuticals. Look up their area of expertise. $$$$

 

[Blais to Win]

OMG. Someone tell these nutcases to head to Facebook or Twitter or something.

 

[kovazub94]

The circumstantial evidence suggests that he isn't the best teammate around, but to suggest that that evidence proves he is the biggest locker room cancer in the entire NHL is nothing short of being delusional.

If I needed to describe this poster with one word - this is easily the one I'd use as the first that would come to mind and after giving it another thought.

 

[EdJovanovski]

The circumstantial evidence suggests that he isn't the best teammate around, but to suggest that that evidence proves he is the biggest locker room cancer in the entire NHL is nothing short of being delusional.

Who’s worse?

 

[ohbaby]

Thanks for the regurgitated chain email. The population in Japan is 78% fully vaccinated. And it’s pretty wealthy, fyi.

But you can't say the same for India or Peru, Argentina, Mexico or Indonesia. They all have eerily similar results as Japan using the same therapeutic. Until the US government has a change in heart, I'm afraid the NHL is on shaky ground. This is not an anti-vax issue. It's about using everything available at our disposal. The NHL, NBA, NFL and Olympics are all in trouble. They could use some help.