Rangers Development Camp Roster 2022

[nyr2k2]

I agree, but just curious how u would envision the exception to work without damaging the chl too badly.

The idea that I see the most, that makes the most sense to me, is to just let each team send one kid to the AHL at 18 or 19 every 3-4 years. I mean there really aren't that many guys in Othmann's position each season, so I'd guess there'd only be a handful of teams representing prospects across the three leagues that are taking advantage of this in a given year. Some people also say things like the kid should be a first or second round pick or whatever, though I'm not sure I agree with that. Either way, some kind of rule like that I think is a decent compromise.

EDIT: Like for us, the last guy I can recall where we had a legitimately tough decision to make was probably Anthony Duclair, and that had to be close to 10 years ago.

 

[Ruggs225]

The idea that I see the most, that makes the most sense to me, is to just let each team send one kid to the AHL at 18 or 19 every 3-4 years. I mean there really aren't that many guys in Othmann's position each season, so I'd guess there'd only be a handful of teams representing prospects across the three leagues that are taking advantage of this in a given year. Some people also say things like the kid should be a first or second round pick or whatever, though I'm not sure I agree with that. Either way, some kind of rule like that I think is a decent compromise.

EDIT: Like for us, the last guy I can recall where we had a legitimately tough decision to make was probably Anthony Duclair, and that had to be close to 10 years ago.

Very reasonable. I like it.

And because i like it, it will never happen.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jed Ortmeyer Today’s Media Availability, Development Camp.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Jesus Othmann is a cocky guy.

We desperately need some of that, but I can totally see how it would rub an organization like Hockey Canada the wrong way.

 

[Leetch3]

The CHL agreement is really important to the sustainability of CHL teams. There should be some kind of exception, though. For the sake of the players.

the situation stinks but the problem with this idea is that the players that you'd want the exception to apply to are exactly the players that the CHL is trying to protect by having the agreement in place. they get to keep star players that make them $$ for another year and in turn they help a ton of players for nhl teams. the majority of the time its a non-issue and the arraignment works for both sides...

 

[GAGLine]

Exactly. If the NHL wants exemptions, the are going to have to compensate the CHL teams in some way.

 

[nyr2k2]

the situation stinks but the problem with this idea is that the players that you'd want the exception to apply to are exactly the players that the CHL is trying to protect by having the agreement in place. they get to keep star players that make them $$ for another year and in turn they help a ton of players for nhl teams. the majority of the time its a non-issue and the arraignment works for both sides...

I deliberately said "for the sake of the players" because they're the third party that exists in this and it is the players who suffer. You're right, it's no more than a handful of guys each year that an exception would potentially apply to, but for them, the impact is real. Othmann may find himself in the NHL, over his head, which isn't good; or he may find himself dominating a league again and seeing his development more or less stagnate. It's a topic every time the NHL-CHL agreement comes up and it was widely reported that it was even more of a focus for GMs the last go-round. Given how much the NHL commits to the CHL as part of the agreement, I think it's only a matter of time before some kind of change happens.

 

[nyr2k2]

Exactly. If the NHL wants exemptions, the are going to have to compensate the CHL teams in some way.

They already compensate the CHL teams to the tune of something like $15M plus a set amount for each teenage player who ends up in the NHL instead of playing in the CHL. Of course there'd have to be negotiation, but it's kind of a David versus Goliath bargaining situation where the NHL is essentially willing to agree to what they agree to only because they recognize the incredible importance of the CHL as the league's primary youth development tool. If the NHL sets their mind to negotiating some exception, they'd have no problem attaining it, IMO.

 

[10robinho10]

Adam is talking about 2022 NHL Draft, bet with his girlfriend, next season rescheduled WJC and Rangers

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Jesus Othmann is a cocky guy.

We desperately need some of that, but I can totally see how it would rub an organization like Hockey Canada the wrong way.

As long as he produces. The organization hasn't had any guys like that in a long time.

And I don't mean that fake "swag" nonsense they tried to label Hagelin and Del Zotto with.

 

[Ola]

So damn stupid Othman either makes the NHL or has to go back to Juniors... idiotic CHL agreement. Should negotiate up to 2 exemptions per NHL team to assign to the AHL. That, or the Rangers need to partner with European pro teams and send 1 or 2 juniors there that have nothing left to prove in juniors.

I still think he should go back to juniors. He played like what is it now, 3-4 weeks ago? A short time off, development camp, then the WJSS preparing for the WJC, after that Traverse (?) and Camp.

When is he supposed to train? I rather see him in the OHL, he won’t be scared of like doing squats on Sunday night because he got a game on Wednesday and wants to be 100%. Then comes the WJC. He will be on a good junior team that should play late again.

We need to be patient with these guys, my feeling is definitely that the longer we give kids to develop the better it is. KAM is a good example. He is obviously a mega talent that should have gone top 5-10 in his draft year, but if he had and we would have rushed him to the NHL at 18, his development path to date would just be corned with so much more adversity. Right? Instead he got to work at his game, develop himself. Not an overly tough schedule.

Like when a kid shows up for his first real pro season, you want him to feel that he is in excellent shape, have done everything possible. You want him to feel that he got a special jump when he is on the ice. How can Othman compete physically with like another winger who has been around a few years? That guy can set out a three month schedule and execute it. Othman get a few weeks and a ton of travel.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Jesus Othmann is a cocky guy.

We desperately need some of that, but I can totally see how it would rub an organization like Hockey Canada the wrong way.

Yeah, HockeyCanada really showed how they felt when they took their sweet time sending him his championship ring. He received his 10 months after winning gold at the u18s, while everyone else had it in 3-4 months..

 

[Ruggs225]

I deliberately said "for the sake of the players" because they're the third party that exists in this and it is the players who suffer. You're right, it's no more than a handful of guys each year that an exception would potentially apply to, but for them, the impact is real. Othmann may find himself in the NHL, over his head, which isn't good; or he may find himself dominating a league again and seeing his development more or less stagnate. It's a topic every time the NHL-CHL agreement comes up and it was widely reported that it was even more of a focus for GMs the last go-round. Given how much the NHL commits to the CHL as part of the agreement, I think it's only a matter of time before some kind of change happens.

The more i think about it, i dont think it is just a handful of players that could benefit. Its more like at least 1 player per year alot of years.l for most teams. Cuyle probably would have been better served in the ahl last year. It hapens alot with “bigger” guys who are just too strong for the chl and never develop other skills properly bc they can bully the smaller chl players

Also laf could have definitely used a little ahl time bc he clearly wasnt nhl ready.

So while i agree that the system needs to change. I think you are underselling it about how many kids could benefit from AHL.

But its a tricky balance between keeping the chl healthy and developing talent properly.

 

[LOFIN]

Only two players Robertson and Skinner played all year in Hartford last year. Skinner's first pro season was as an underage because of Covid. Pajuniemi's a little older and a little more experienced than both. That's no doubt why.

Looks like Pajuniemi is in Finland:

 

[cwede]

So it looks like we're not doing the traverse city prospect tournament this year...

that link is from last year

re TC here is a link to follow

NHL Prospect Tournament

www.centreice.org

"NHL Prospect Tournament
More Info coming soon for the 2022 Prospect Tournament"

 

[nyr2k2]

The more i think about it, i dont think it is just a handful of players that could benefit. Its more like at least 1 player per year alot of years.l for most teams. Cuyle probably would have been better served in the ahl last year. It hapens alot with “bigger” guys who are just too strong for the chl and never develop other skills properly bc they can bully the smaller chl players

Also laf could have definitely used a little ahl time bc he clearly wasnt nhl ready.

So while i agree that the system needs to change. I think you are underselling it about how many kids could benefit from AHL.

But its a tricky balance between keeping the chl healthy and developing talent properly.

I think you're right that there are more than a handful of kids who might be able to benefit, but I think the number is fewer when it comes to guys who actually would suffer from not having the choice. Like Cuylle probably could have done the AHL last year, but he still benefitted developmentally by spending the year in the OHL working on rounding out his offensive game. He improved as a player.

That's also the logic behind allowing teams to only do this once every few years, so they don't take out one guy every year and really thin things out. It should just be the really exceptional circumstances.

 

[Creepingjeff]

re TC here is a link to follow

NHL Prospect Tournament

www.centreice.org

"NHL Prospect Tournament
More Info coming soon for the 2022 Prospect Tournament"

As someone who checked that site daily for months waiting for it to confirm the Rangers being in it in 2019 as well as buy tickets for it, let me assure you they are absolutely terrible at ever updating it with timely information. If my memory serves me right, I ended up buying our tickets even without them being confirmed to be in it. I was fairly confident they would be due to always being in it at that point.

 

[Ruggs225]

I think you're right that there are more than a handful of kids who might be able to benefit, but I think the number is fewer when it comes to guys who actually would suffer from not having the choice. Like Cuylle probably could have done the AHL last year, but he still benefitted developmentally by spending the year in the OHL working on rounding out his offensive game. He improved as a player.

That's also the logic behind allowing teams to only do this once every few years, so they don't take out one guy every year and really thin things out. It should just be the really exceptional circumstances.

Definitely understand limiting it to keep the CHL healthy, but at the same time the limit kinda screws the teams unexpectedly as u dont know who u will be drafting 2-3 years from now, or even how this years draft will play in their D+1

Also on the other hand, pulling more kids would allow others to get more ice time and blossom. This possibly making better players all around.

I wonder how bad it would actually hurt the CHL if allowing NHL teams full control. I look at it like college sports, u root for the team. Allowing kids to skip college or leave after 1 yr did not hurt the popularity at all, bc fans root for their team. Is it not the same in the CHL?

Im not sure what the correct answer is, but the current system does not benefit the players enough.

Interesting to see where it goes.

 

[bleedblue94]

Lindbom and Garand in Hartford next year?

no, you dont put two kids in the ahl together, they both need to play. would be better with one in the ahl and one in the echl even. they need their own nets to play as much as possible

 

[bleedblue94]

The CHL agreement is stupid. Othmann has nothing to prove in the OHL anymore.

it sucks but it is necessary bc if all the great chl players could just leave and move to the ahl the chl would probably implode. they need the star power to keep the league finacially healthy.

i would like to see them mimic the import rules where chl teams can have two imports, just make it so each ahl team can have 1 player exemption to bring in a top player like othmann who is ready for that challenge.

 

[bogans]

The more i think about it, i dont think it is just a handful of players that could benefit. Its more like at least 1 player per year alot of years.l for most teams. Cuyle probably would have been better served in the ahl last year. It hapens alot with “bigger” guys who are just too strong for the chl and never develop other skills properly bc they can bully the smaller chl players

Also laf could have definitely used a little ahl time bc he clearly wasnt nhl ready.

So while i agree that the system needs to change. I think you are underselling it about how many kids could benefit from AHL.

But its a tricky balance between keeping the chl healthy and developing talent properly.

Fairly certain that the CHL was the perfect spot for Cuylle last year. The guy got to a level not previously achieved, got valuable competitive playoff experience, and most importantly, was the leader of his team. That is all experience that Cuylle would not have gotten in the AHL last season.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Development Camp Media Availability. Brett Berard and Matt Robertson.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Yeah, HockeyCanada really showed how they felt when they took their sweet time sending him his championship ring. He received his 10 months after winning gold at the u18s, while everyone else had it in 3-4 months..

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I would imagine there probably is some correlation there.

I don’t think the cockiness is necessarily a bad thing. We have enough betas on the team. But he reeks of it and I’m sure it’s something the Rangers are thinking about.

I don’t think he said “we” a single time in that interview haha.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I would imagine there probably is some correlation there.

I don’t think the cockiness is necessarily a bad thing. We have enough betas on the team. But he reeks of it and I’m sure it’s something the Rangers are thinking about.

I don’t think he said “we” a single time in that interview haha.

I am dead-serious.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Oh Lord, here we go again with the beta alpha shit. lol