Confirmed with Link: Rangers buy out Shattenkirk

[GeorgeKaplan]

This tells me they are are very high on Fox

This just tells me they were above the cap ceiling and couldn’t figure another way out

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

We were 1 goal away from a 1st and 3rd. And Dallas actively wanted to sign him too. This is nonsense. Yeah in hindsight it wasn't great but that was the risk involved. The trade was supposed to be a good chance at one 1st rounder and a 2nd or 3rd (maybe even two 1st rounders), it was a gamble that didn't work out, but it was very close to working out. Calling it atrocious after the fact is ridiculous.

It was atrocious the moment it happened. Zucc is a proven commodity, we got terrible value for him.

It was foolish taking the risk to begin with. It’s equally as ridiculous to call the trade fine just because it was a gamble.

Edit: I realize my first post insinuates that the trade wasn’t bad until he signed with MIN. Poorly phrased on my part - it was a terrible trade the moment it happened.

 

[nyr2k2]

He didn't need to "rebound", what he needed was to not have some of the worst on-ice shooting percentages in the league.

Whatever, what's done is done. I just think the idea that he was bad last year is ignorant. If you look past the surface he actually was basically what he always has been and would have been perfectly fine this upcoming season. Won't be surprised at all if he puts up his usual point totals elsewhere.

Uh, I think "ignorant" is a bit harsh. I understand his SH% was low, much like Strome's was unsustainably high. This isn't revelatory stuff, here.

Other teams' pro scouting departments are aware of all of this as well. This would actually seem to help us in moving him, as those teams would see a good bounce-back candidate. And yet, he ended up being bought out instead.

And that's because he's gotten slow, both in terms of foot speed and decision-making. The latter is why his PP GAR was worst on the team last year. He's a physically deteriorating defenseman on the wrong side of 30. Definitely possible that he gets "better," but I wouldn't bet on any substantial improvement in his play, or in his production, given he's unlikely to find himself on a top pairing ever again.

 

[nyr2k2]

It was atrocious the moment it happened. Zucc is a proven commodity, we got terrible value for him.

It was foolish taking the risk to begin with. It’s equally as ridiculous to call the trade fine just because it was a gamble.

Edit: I realize my first post insinuates that the trade wasn’t bad until he signed with MIN. Poorly phrased on my part - it was a terrible trade the moment it happened.

I think the value was okay relative to the other guys that were moved.

 

[pld459666]

It was atrocious the moment it happened. Zucc is a proven commodity, we got terrible value for him.

It was foolish taking the risk to begin with. It’s equally as ridiculous to call the trade fine just because it was a gamble.

Edit: I realize my first post insinuates that the trade wasn’t bad until he signed with MIN. Poorly phrased on my part - it was a terrible trade the moment it happened.

If there was a better offer on the table, the Rangers would have taken it.

What that tells me is that Zuccs perceived value was higher in your head than it was in reality.

 

[Thirty One]

I was very excited about not having to debate who should or shouldn't be bought out anymore. Now I see we are re-litigating the Zuccarello trade.

 

[nyr2k2]

If there was a better offer on the table, the Rangers would have taken it.

What that tells me is that Zuccs perceived value was higher in your head than it was in reality.

Like, Johansson got a 2 and a 4. Nyquist got a 2 and conditional 3. Dzingel and a 7 got Duclair and two 2s. Zuccarello should have gotten a bit more, and he nearly got A LOT more than those other guys. All in all in was a pretty reasonable deal, IMO. I don't understand what some people expected there.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Man this Shattenkirk situation just really bums me out guy takes less than he could’ve gotten elsewhere to sign with his childhood team and live a dream. Then gets injured and never fully recovers and becomes a shell of his former self. Then bought out. It’s just a sad situation I feel bad for the guys. Literally the worst way it could’ve played out for all parties.

As for the cap penalty I guess Gorton is banking on Fox and then rationalizing it next year by Shatty buyout+ Fox ELC as being better than Shatty full hit.

Idk tho bc ideally we should be trying to compete next year while Kravtsov and Kakko are on their cheap ELCs but we’re gonna have to deal with Staal still being here and Shatty and Girardi buyout dead space. Really hope it doesn’t hamstring us too bad.

Just sucks all around.

 

[haveandare]

Really a shame it didn't work out here with him. Would have rather bought Staal out as he contributes less but I haven't been following all the math of who would have worked or what any specific buyout would mean compared to another.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

really bummed Shatty was a huge bust.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

really bummed Shatty was a huge bust.

He should have gotten his knee taken care of right away.

Playing on it was so dumb.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

If there was a better offer on the table, the Rangers would have taken it.

What that tells me is that Zuccs perceived value was higher in your head than it was in reality.

I would have never dreamed a Scott Gomez cap dump would fetch Chris Higgins and Ryan McDonagh.

It’s fine if we disagree on Zuccs value, but let’s please stop operating under the assumption that GMs always make the right decision and the trade deadline operates like a dynamic wholesale energy market.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

This just tells me they were above the cap ceiling and couldn’t figure another way out

If they couldn’t figure out another way then Gorton should be let go

Clearly this move was done for specific reasons. Its not like it was their ONLY option

 

[Fansince1992]

I don't understand people on this forum who I witnessed sat around all day waiting for a buyout that we all knew was going to happen and now they're pissed off

 

[Chaels Arms]

Kind of cool that people think this puts us in a better bargaining position re Chris Kreider because now we don't have to trade him for cap reasons.

Until you look ahead to trade deadline 2020 and realize that you still have Chris Kreider on a one year deal and you still have to trade him for cap reasons.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I don't understand people on this forum who I witnessed sat around all day waiting for a buyout that we all knew was going to happen and now they're pissed off

Idk I think it's pretty obvious that people here have radically different interpretations of Shattenkirk's value as a player

 

[nyr2k2]

Kind of cool that people think this puts us in a better bargaining position re Chris Kreider because now we don't have to trade him for cap reasons.

Until you look ahead to trade deadline 2020 and realize that you still have Chris Kreider on a one year deal and you still have to trade him for cap reasons.

I don't really understand what you're saying.

It puts us in a better position to trade Kreider, because we're back under the cap and there is no immediate need to make any further transactions.

If we still have him at the deadline, he becomes a rental. It's a whole different market trading a guy at the TDL vs trading a guy in July or August because your cap is f***ed.

 

[Fansince1992]

Idk I think it's pretty obvious that people here have radically different interpretations of Shattenkirk's value as a player

We all did the same thing all day. We didn't do any work and sat here on this chat and we all knew Shattenkirk was going to be bought out. Why would any GM trade with us and give us a respectable return on any player knowing we need to get under the cap?

 

[Uncle Dru]

Kind of cool that people think this puts us in a better bargaining position re Chris Kreider because now we don't have to trade him for cap reasons.

Until you look ahead to trade deadline 2020 and realize that you still have Chris Kreider on a one year deal and you still have to trade him for cap reasons.

Meh, it's typically all but guaranteed that a player available at the trade deadline has no future with their current team. They'll get fair value

 

[Chaels Arms]

I don't really understand what you're saying.

It puts us in a better position to trade Kreider now, because we're back under the cap and there is no immediate need to make any further transactions.

If we still have him at the deadline, he becomes a rental.

I can almost guarantee you that any trade for Kreider comes at the deadline. The idea that there are going to be other GM's around the league who now wake up and say "damn, I have to make a real offer for Kreider now" is just fantasy. If someone wanted him they would have made a legitimate offer to get him. Instead, what will happen is exactly what happened with Hayes and Zuccarello. He'll be traded at the deadline for less than everyone thinks he is really worth. I'm sorry but buying out Shattenkirk does not up Chris Kreider's trade value.

 

[Tawnos]

Kind of cool that people think this puts us in a better bargaining position re Chris Kreider because now we don't have to trade him for cap reasons.

Until you look ahead to trade deadline 2020 and realize that you still have Chris Kreider on a one year deal and you still have to trade him for cap reasons.

The Rangers won’t be trading Kreider for cap reasons at the deadline. They’ll be trading him because he doesn’t fit the future. Same as McDonagh, Zucc, and Hayes.

If they wanted to sign him for 7x7 they could.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If they couldn’t figure out another way then Gorton should be let go

Clearly this move was done for specific reasons. Its not like it was their ONLY option

It’s not, and as much as I hate the move itself, I understand why they did it, it was one of essentially two options that would fix their cap problem with just one move, and I’m guessing they didn’t want to trade Kreider for what they felt like was a less than suitable return.

I personally just would’ve traded Kreider for the best offer I could scrounge up by the week before training camp and have been done with it (I also wouldn’t have signed Panarin, but c’est la vie), but every path to get under the cap at this point has it’s problem

 

[Tawnos]

I can almost guarantee you that any trade for Kreider comes at the deadline. The idea that there are going to be other GM's around the league who now wake up and say "damn, I have to make a real offer for Kreider now" is just fantasy. If someone wanted him they would have made a legitimate offer to get him. Instead, what will happen is exactly what happened with Hayes and Zuccarello. He'll be traded at the deadline for less than everyone thinks he is really worth. I'm sorry but buying out Shattenkirk does not up Chris Kreider's trade value.

Hayes got exactly what everyone thought he was worth.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I would of preferred a Staal buyout, but with ADA, Fox, and Rykov all sitting behind Trouba at RD, I'm already looking forward to what training camp brings.

 

[Chaels Arms]

The Rangers won’t be trading Kreider for cap reasons at the deadline. They’ll be trading him because he doesn’t fit the future. Same as McDonagh, Zucc, and Hayes.

If they wanted to sign him for 7x7 they could.

I'm curious, what future does he not fit?