Confirmed with Link: Rangers buy out Shattenkirk

[Thirty One]

How do you feel about four years? Because for me that’s the difference maker...

Four years is the pivotal number for me for Kreider. Which is a pipe dream, probably.

 

[Thirty One]

*thing happens that everyone knew was going to happen* - *argument ensues*

No, lots of us were in denial.

 

[Levitate]

Is Adam Fox actually poor defensively, or do people just look at his points and say so?

He's not big and his skating is just OK and he's more offensively inclined so in some peoples minds that lends itself to "bad defensively"

Some people say he really does struggle defensively, other people say no he's fine he just plays a more thinking mans D. I believe the stats say he outright excelled on the ice regardless

Truth is he'll probably struggle some but he's an incredibly smart player so he'll make it work based on positioning and outlet passing

 

[bbny]

I would think about it, but honestly, Kreider and his agent would be completely insane to accept anything less than 6 years. This is his career payday and he would be foolish to not take the very best offer (which another team would definitely offer 6), or at the very least a 6 year offer.

I'm good either way on the Kreider situation, but if I had to choose I would try to extend him before moving him. No longer than 6 years though. Looking at how quickly careers can change (Shattenkirk), and sometimes due to uncontrollable events like injuries, it surprises me when a guy like Kreider isn't pushing for an extension. Get your future locked up. Is it worth the risk playing out a season just to get an extra year on the contract?

Start with a few different options... 6 x 6.5, 5 x 7, 4 x 7.5... see what he's looking for.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm a big fan of Fox but I love the notion that Shattenkirk has "lost his job" to somebody who hasn't played a game.

 

[bobbop]

Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.

I’m not so sure about that. Fox plays with a cocky confidence on the ice that McDonagh never had. I think he will be here from the start and the second option on the right side.

 

[bobbop]

I think the chances of Kreider being extended are higher now than at any time to date. If he finds the right niche on this reworked offense, it might become very hard to walk away from him.

 

[wolfgaze]

I just don’t understand why they keep 2 players who are significantly worse than him when they would only add like $900k in dead space in years 3+4. That and the depth in shear volume is better at LD than RD

Given the state of what the Rangers are trying to accomplish over the long term - it's not a negative to end up fielding a slightly weaker defense for this upcoming season... If it results in us accumulating less points - then that only improves our draft position and chance of moving up again...

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Yuck. Worst move of Gorton’s GM tenure by a mile.

Agreed. I can't even fathom why he thought this was a smart move.

OK that's a lie but I strongly suspect that this was a failure by the GM to successfully pull off much better moves


Maybe they think Names, Strome and/or CK will significantly increase their trade value.

CK I could see.

Names? Yea his ass shoulda been traded. Same with Strome.

Unless we have a long and expensive 3.5-4.5M contract for ADA incoming then trading those two would have been more than enough. Holden returned a 3rd. NAmes makes more but he's also way better. I don't believe that we couldn't get at least a 4th, 5th or some long shot prospect we like a lot.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It was atrocious the moment it happened. Zucc is a proven commodity, we got terrible value for him.

It was foolish taking the risk to begin with. It’s equally as ridiculous to call the trade fine just because it was a gamble.

Edit: I realize my first post insinuates that the trade wasn’t bad until he signed with MIN. Poorly phrased on my part - it was a terrible trade the moment it happened.

He was proven to be great a few years ago. He was also proven to be a very inconsistent, undersized shell of his former self in recent years. He was slower, getting hurt, having longer scoring droughts and getting older each day. We got what we should have for him. Actually we got more considering the conditions.

 

[Rangers ftw]

He was proven to be great a few years ago. He was also proven to be a very inconsistent, undersized shell of his former self in recent years. He was slower, getting hurt, having longer scoring droughts and getting older each day. We got what we should have for him. Actually we got more considering the conditions.

So much wrong with this post. But yeah, he was getting older each day, I’ll give you that.

 

[eco's bones]

It's natural for people to emphasize the offensive abilities of players and not their defensive abilities. We always talk about the power player--who is going to be on it--how they're going to produce. We don't nearly talk as much about he penalty kill but each are equal in my eyes. Either can help you win or lose you games.

It's also a reason IMO why Shattenkirk was bought out--his inability to produce on the power play last year and the Fox and Trouba deals. His not being much of an option on the penalty kill either. Defensemen who can produce on the power play and be effective penalty killers or all situation players are gold. When you can't be effective on either you're in big trouble and especially if you're making big $'s. The Rangers still see Staal IMO as a viable penalty killing D--maybe not a great one but they still see a role for him. That said it might be his turn to be bought out next year. Clock's ticking anyway--I seriously doubt he'll get another contract from us.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chris Kreider.

He will be the Rangers 2022-23 buyout.

One of the avenues would be a trade of Chris Kreider, and once again this needs to be said: If the Rangers trade Kreider this summer, it won’t be about getting under the salary cap. It will be all about Kreider’s next contract and the team’s unwillingness to go to seven years and north of $7 million per for a player who will be 29 when such an extension would kick in next season. Kreider otherwise will be an unrestricted free agent and would command such a contract on the open market next July 1, so the Rangers are extremely likely to be dealing him now, later in the summer, during the season, or at the very latest at the next trade deadline.

More than halfway through their latest buyout window, the...

Look at the free agent list for next summer. Kreider is the best winger available besides Hall. There are a handful of quality forwards available.

Aging power forwards don't age well. That next contract will be an albatross.

The Rangers already have a future anvil around their necks with Panarin. The only way out of that contract is Putin throwing Artemi into jail for his political activism.

 

[pld459666]

I would have never dreamed a Scott Gomez cap dump would fetch Chris Higgins and Ryan McDonagh.

It’s fine if we disagree on Zuccs value, but let’s please stop operating under the assumption that GMs always make the right decision and the trade deadline operates like a dynamic wholesale energy market.

GMJG is not infallible, but you seem to be operating under the premise that there were better offers and our guy took a lesser offer.

I'm not buying that.....at all

 

[NYR Viper]

It’s a little funny that people were concerned Shattenkirk wasn’t going to get PP time because he was behind Trouba and ADA but want to add Fox and now play him on the PP. As I said earlier, whether it was Fox or Shattenkirk they would get PP time.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Unless Kreider wants a 4 year deal (which I doubt he would and I wouldn't blame him) I don't see him getting resigned with the Rangers. There have been several reports throughout last season and this summer about the Rangere not even engaging in contract negotiations. Is that 100% true? Likely not but it's a good indicator of the direction the Rangers are going in.

 

[Leetch3]

Shattenkirk did not lose his job to fox and that’s not why he was bought out. He was bought out over smith cause it cleared more cap space and with a single move fixed the cap issue. A smith buyout would have required another trade and clearly there were no acceptable trade options or they would have done that

 

[haohmaru]

The Zucc trade was atrocious. People just let it slide because they were still buzzed from Kakko and Panarin.

I was as vocal as anyone around here against that trade. Still think this is worse. Fox isn't an automatic and I'd like to think Shattenkirk could've been decent enough to be worth something at the deadline. Instead, we enjoy 80% of his cap hit over four years for nothing and Staal and Smith are STILL here. This is worse.

 

[NernieBichols]

I can almost guarantee you that any trade for Kreider comes at the deadline. The idea that there are going to be other GM's around the league who now wake up and say "damn, I have to make a real offer for Kreider now" is just fantasy. If someone wanted him they would have made a legitimate offer to get him. Instead, what will happen is exactly what happened with Hayes and Zuccarello. He'll be traded at the deadline for less than everyone thinks he is really worth. I'm sorry but buying out Shattenkirk does not up Chris Kreider's trade value.

Your wrong.

Kreider’s value went up the moment shattenkirk was bought out. It’s like saying Toronto’s need to shed marleaus salary isn’t the reason Carolina ended up with their 2020 1st

 

[NernieBichols]

I was as vocal as anyone around here against that trade. Still think this is worse. Fox isn't an automatic and I'd like to think Shattenkirk could've been decent enough to be worth something at the deadline. Instead, we enjoy 80% of his cap hit over four years for nothing and Staal and Smith are STILL here. This is worse.

Shattenkirk couldn’t Fing play. He was so much worse than staal or girardi have ever been. So many people rank a simple outlet pass above you know the ability and mentality to uhhhh actually defend as a defender.

I don’t want to hate on shattenkirk. It’s over

But what the F are you guys watching.
Shattenkirk was the latest in a long line of guys we were paying and then doing PR/lineup cartwheels to find him minutes and/or explain why he’s not playing

I can’t believe the boards take that shattenkirk was more a contributing player than staal

It boggles the mind

 

[NernieBichols]

Let's not overcomplicate things here folks. This has nothing to do with Adam Fox or Chris Kreider or anybody else. We went on a shopping spree and maxed out the credit card. Now we've gotta do some unpleasant things to get ourselves back into line. That's it.

Gorton probably had a faint hope/desire, like the rest of us, that he could unload one of the bad contracts for a bag of pucks. That didn't happen, and now we're here. I understand that people like Gorton and I'm OK with that but let's not pretend we're watching some sort of Lex Luthor master plan unfold here.

Hahaha it’s much more a master plan the last 16 months than winging it.

Like what’s is your deal? You don’t think having fox makes shattenkirk not have a roster spot come January 2020 and beyond? You don’t think (well we know you don’t think this) teams were lowballing Gorton on Kreider offers bc Gorton was in the red cap wise?

Point by point what’s your reasoning for everything you are saying? Or are you just sore they bought out shattenkirk when you’ve waited for months hoping Gorton wouldn’t buy him out?

 

[eco's bones]

I would think about it, but honestly, Kreider and his agent would be completely insane to accept anything less than 6 years. This is his career payday and he would be foolish to not take the very best offer (which another team would definitely offer 6), or at the very least a 6 year offer.

It depends. If Kreider's thing is to simply make as much money as possible then he goes where the best offer is. There are other things that could factor though such as wanting to play for a certain team. From my POV--once you've put your first $10 mil or so in the bank it's WTF!--you can do pretty much whatever you want for the rest of your life. Honestly I'd consider retiring right then--and I like hockey a lot but I also like f***ing off and not having anyone telling me what to do with my time.

If he decided though that place was more important to him than $'s or term that doesn't make him dumb--that's just a lifestyle choice.

 

[NernieBichols]

Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.

8 seasons later. The league has changed. It’s been made pretty pretty clear the rangers think he’s gonna play from day 1

Let me just ask the board. Be honest here. Aside from world juniors or world championships. Who has watched Fox in more than 5 games?


Anyone truthfully? And yet how many are sitting here saying over and over he’s not gonna be ready, meanwhile carp and the front office keep hinting or saying outright, they think he’s ready to play from the drop

 

[Unusual Suspect]

Barely matters. If Fox IS ready, we get a significant upgrade and he gets plenty of playing time to develop. If he's NOT, we need to fill in a RD on the 3rd pair with Smith, some Claesson type, or a combination. Big f'ing deal. Shattenkirk was going to be a millstone around the team's neck and simply in the way of all the new D talent everyone thinks is on the cusp. Hard to love next year's cap hit but if any time is the best time for absorbing that, next year is probably it. Everybody on this damn board is always yelling about mediocre veterans clogging up the lanes instead of letting the prospects get extended chances to show their mettle. This buyout is the purest demonstration of a front office that DOESN'T plan to employ that approach. Glad they had the rocks and common sense to throw the switch.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well that's over anyway. The unfortunate part is that if Fox isnt ready then it's likely Smith playing lol