Confirmed with Link: Rangers buy out Shattenkirk

[Shesterkybomb]

Have some faith in Gorton, he's doing a pretty good job from my point of view.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I think this move needs to be judged after Kreider is traded. If this allowed us to hang on to Kreider and gain our leverage back on the trade market, it could end up being a smart move. We’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[RangerBoy]

Why would Kreider take less? He just saw Shattenkirk take less to sign with the Rangers. Shattenkirk is being bought out two years later. He lost so money which he will never get back. Shattenkirk was on the decline before he signed with the Rangers. When Dreger said NHL teams viewed Shattenkirk as a bottom pair D/power play specialist, all of the brainiacs on this board lost their minds. Look at Shattenkirk's advanced hockey stats. He is one of the better D in the entire NHL. Shattenkirk and McDonagh will be one of the top D pairs in the entire NHL. The Rangers with Shattenkirk can rival Nashville for the best group of D in the NHL.

The Rangers with Shattenkirk can win the Cup.

The Rangers tried to trade this guy at 50% retention and nobody wanted him. It will be curious to see what type of contract Shattenkirk will get in August. The guy won't have a big market for him but the Rangers didn't do him any favors waiting until the 2nd buyout window to exercise the buyout.

Some people say the Devils and Islanders are options. The Devils line up pretty well with Subban, Severson and Vatanen. The Islanders are coached by Trotz and he wasn't a big Shattenkirk guy when they were together in Washington. Before Shattenkirk's first game against the Caps after signing with the Rangers, Trotz said Shattenkirk wasn't a top guy and they thought they were getting more than they received.

“We play a little different from some teams. It worked in areas that we wanted. He helped our power play. He made it more dangerous and that. I think everybody thought of him as a 1-2 and he really wasn't. He was a little lower. I think it worked out OK. I think he had a patch during the one series where it wasn't really good. I think he regained it and scored a big goal for us in Pitt. I just think, yeah, the first playoff series wasn't, that's what you remember. It sticks out. But I think overall he was fine.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/capitals/barry-trotz-gives-honest-assessment-kevin-shattenkirk

Trotz spoke to Shattenkirk and clarified his comments a few weeks later.

Everyone knows what Trotz said. Shattenkirk got mad at those comments.

Maybe TB is an option. They had interest in him three seasons ago. Yzerman isn't running that team anymore. Shattenkirk is better than Schenn. One year. NHL minimum $700,000.

Staal and Smith suck. Shattenkirk is right there with him.

 

[Rempe73]

I'll take what was the Eric Staal trade for 1000

Even then, Gorton was right about Eric Staal, as he ended up doing really well with the Wild. Sucks he couldn’t do as well for us, but I think other factors were at play.

In regards to the Shattenkirk buyout, Brooks (I think it was him) said it best. It was an imperfect solution, but the least painful one for the Rangers.

 

[chosen]

So much wrong with this post. But yeah, he was getting older each day, I’ll give you that.

He should have been fined for every day he got older.

 

[chosen]

It depends. If Kreider's thing is to simply make as much money as possible then he goes where the best offer is. There are other things that could factor though such as wanting to play for a certain team. From my POV--once you've put your first $10 mil or so in the bank it's WTF!--you can do pretty much whatever you want for the rest of your life. Honestly I'd consider retiring right then--and I like hockey a lot but I also like ****ing off and not having anyone telling me what to do with my time.

If he decided though that place was more important to him than $'s or term that doesn't make him dumb--that's just a lifestyle choice.

If you were in the NHL, at the level of Kreider, or any other level, your 10 million in the bank wouldn't prevent you in the least from seeking max money or close for as long as you could.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider is as good as gone, the only good thing now is that we can get something tangible for him now. I'm not a fan of the buyout but it certainly allows us to seek other avenues now for Kreider.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

In an off-season that began with lots of historically atypical Rangers moves, it seems to have come full circle with signing Panarin to a ridiculous contract and now buying out Shattenkirk over Staal and Smith.

I really thought the Rangers were turning a corner and would manage their franchise with discipline, but it seems I was wrong.

Shattenkirk was the only player of the three buyout options that might have realistically turned it around and had some value at 50% retained. There is no hope for Staal or Smith and both are far inferior players (albeit on a left-hand side largely devoid of talent).

I still don't see this team as being a playoff team. And they are now going to be saddled with an absolutely massive cap hit for a player that doesn't exist next year (as well as a smaller cap hit for 2 years after that).

They have already destroyed their financial flexibility for the next two years and it now looks as if Kreider will either be overpaid by us or we will live with another year of deadline drama.

If we sign Kreider, we will almost surely lose several of our young prospects when they need to be paid.

An off-season that really started brilliantly and took a long-term approach, has now reversed itself with several really short-sighted moves. These last two specifically are tremendously costly and basicaly should have only been made by teams that see themselves as cup contenders.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Kind of a shortsighted move unless something else is coming, why would one buy out the best of the trio of defensemen who were targets for it

 

[EpicDing]

In an off-season that began with lots of historically atypical Rangers moves, it seems to have come full circle with signing Panarin to a ridiculous contract and now buying out Shattenkirk over Staal and Smith.

I really thought the Rangers were turning a corner and would manage their franchise with discipline, but it seems I was wrong.

Shattenkirk was the only player of the three buyout options that might have realistically turned it around and had some value at 50% retained. There is no hope for Staal or Smith and both are far inferior players (albeit on a left-hand side largely devoid of talent).

I still don't see this team as being a playoff team. And they are now going to be saddled with an absolutely massive cap hit for a player that doesn't exist next year (as well as a smaller cap hit for 2 years after that).

They have already destroyed their financial flexibility for the next two years and it now looks as if Kreider will either be overpaid by us or we will live with another year of deadline drama.

If we sign Kreider, we will almost surely lose several of our young prospects when they need to be paid.

An off-season that really started brilliantly and took a long-term approach, has now reversed itself with several really short-sighted moves. These last two specifically are tremendously costly and basicaly should have only been made by teams that see themselves as cup contenders.

News flash: we were never going to compete the next two years anyway.

Once we make it to 21-22 our cap issues vanish.

 

[Zibanejbread]

Not happy with this decision.

 

[Inferno]

8 seasons later. The league has changed. It’s been made pretty pretty clear the rangers think he’s gonna play from day 1

Let me just ask the board. Be honest here. Aside from world juniors or world championships. Who has watched Fox in more than 5 games?


Anyone truthfully? And yet how many are sitting here saying over and over he’s not gonna be ready, meanwhile carp and the front office keep hinting or saying outright, they think he’s ready to play from the drop

I haven't ..but the games I saw he looked great... But his gap control wasn't the best.

 

[SickNice]

It's great that some of you are strong believers in Shattenkirk's prospects to turn things around, but 30 GMs didn't feel strong enough about them to invest 2 years at 3M per. I'll go with them.

 

[RGY]

Chris Kreider.

He will be the Rangers 2022-23 buyout.



More than halfway through their latest buyout window, the...

Look at the free agent list for next summer. Kreider is the best winger available besides Hall. There are a handful of quality forwards available.

Aging power forwards don't age well. That next contract will be an albatross.

The Rangers already have a future anvil around their necks with Panarin. The only way out of that contract is Putin throwing Artemi into jail for his political activism.

Already complaining about the Panarin contract. Already deemed it is an “anvil” when this guy hasnt played a single game yet.

Got it.

 

[Larrybiv]

Ouch. The cap hit is terrible. It should have been Smith.

Shatty was pretty ****ty, but he was probably never 100% healed.

Smith and Shatty both made their beds. Only difference is Shatty is 2mil more expensive and Smith did EVERYTHING he could do to work his way out of the doghouse. Oh, and with additions of Trouba and Fox he became more expendable. Smiths versatility puts him on RD or wing if need be.
I am sure Smith made a few friends in Hartford where he might just end up playing......who knows?

 

[Larrybiv]

I cant believe my 2 little wishes have happened. Both Vargas and Shitty Shatty have been jettisoned.

 

[RGY]

Also, who in the hell said the Rangers Defense would rival Nashville’s when they signed Shattenkirk? Or that McDonagh-Shattenkirk would be one of the best pairs in the league?

Glad were taking the 1% minority to the bank to fit your narrative

 

[Edge]

Based on chatter, this is was probably the last thing they wanted to do.

A lot of time was spent either shopping guys who didn't generate interest, or guys who didn't generate the kind of interest the Rangers were compelled by.

It'll be interesting to see what interest Shattenkirk can muster out there. There were absolutely no takers on the trade market, except rumblings of having to take back a similar contract --- but that never seemed to really materialize.

 

[Larrybiv]

Really a shame it didn't work out here with him. Would have rather bought Staal out as he contributes less but I haven't been following all the math of who would have worked or what any specific buyout would mean compared to another.

How is it that Staal contributes less? Where is the proof of that? Are we still basing it on what Marc WAS as opposed to what he is NOW? Marc had a more than decent season last year, a distinct improvement from previous one. IDK, losing Shatty is nothing to me. I can deal with Marc, he IS stability back there with a bunch of youngins.

 

[Chaels Arms]

In an off-season that began with lots of historically atypical Rangers moves, it seems to have come full circle with signing Panarin to a ridiculous contract and now buying out Shattenkirk over Staal and Smith.

I really thought the Rangers were turning a corner and would manage their franchise with discipline, but it seems I was wrong.

Shattenkirk was the only player of the three buyout options that might have realistically turned it around and had some value at 50% retained. There is no hope for Staal or Smith and both are far inferior players (albeit on a left-hand side largely devoid of talent).

I still don't see this team as being a playoff team. And they are now going to be saddled with an absolutely massive cap hit for a player that doesn't exist next year (as well as a smaller cap hit for 2 years after that).

They have already destroyed their financial flexibility for the next two years and it now looks as if Kreider will either be overpaid by us or we will live with another year of deadline drama.

If we sign Kreider, we will almost surely lose several of our young prospects when they need to be paid.

An off-season that really started brilliantly and took a long-term approach, has now reversed itself with several really short-sighted moves. These last two specifically are tremendously costly and basicaly should have only been made by teams that see themselves as cup contenders.

Preach brother

 

[Edge]

We can debate theories as to whether Shattenkirk can turn it around, because that's speculation and there's no facts to compel us to completely dismiss the concept.

But there is one thing I can say with confidence, Shattenkirk was not drawing interest around the league with any amount of retention. If he did, a trade would've been made.

So the whole "Shattenkirk has trade value to a team" line needs to be cut from this script. Typing it a thousand times doesn't make it any more factual. The Rangers tried. There were no takers.

 

[Larrybiv]

I think the chances of Kreider being extended are higher now than at any time to date. If he finds the right niche on this reworked offense, it might become very hard to walk away from him.

I think this is the way Gorton and fellow brainiacs are thinking and taking the "lets wait and see" approach.

Pros......he loves this newly reformed team
...............gets on the scoreboard nearly every game
................loves NY and couldnt imagine playing elsewhere

Cons......the chance of him getting injured

He just might give us a hometown deal. Question is, will Gorton give it to him and bypass a 1st + in 2020?

 

[TheTakedown]

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Buying out Shattenkirk was the only move to make the Rangers cap compliant without going through so many convoluted hypothetical moves.

The trade market is stagnant. The Rangers can move Kreider and Namestnikov before the February 24th trading deadline.

Deangelo and Lemieux play for their $874,125 one year qualifying offers. They solid seasons and file for salary arbitration next summer.

If Fox needs time in the AHL, Smith slides over the right side.

Shattenkirk was a disaster and a mistake. He reported to his first Rangers training camp out of shape and he proceeded to hurt his knee. Shattenkirk received a cortisone shot at the beginning of the 2016-17 season. He had a platelet-rich plasma injection in his knee in January 2017 before the Rangers shut him down that season. That knee surgery was far more serious than the Rangers reported. Shattenkirk tried to come back that season and the Rangers told him to shut it down again. He didn't start skating again until June of that year. The Rangers said Shattenkirk would miss 4-6 weeks and it became 5 months before he could skate without any pain.

It was all down hill from there.

If that knee injury doesn't happen, he likely end up putting up a slew of points. Guy started with 18 points in 25 games. That's pace of 58-60 points per game--insane numbers... That injury however bad it was was a major problem, and I agree with you RB, it's it's way more serious than the rangers ever reported -- knee injuries should not take 6 months to heal, this one did, it's a fluke, but it's a bad one at the same time that cost us a lot in the end...

I want to be clear that this isn't an issue with free agents -- whatever shatts did to that knee was way more serious than one would expect to happen--this is a fluke injury

 

[LORDE]

News flash: we were never going to compete the next two years anyway.

Once we make it to 21-22 our cap issues vanish.

If this ‘news flash’ were true, or at least was the view of the front office, I am not sure u throw a bag of cash @ max term for Panarin and maybe don’t send off 20th pick in a deep draft for Trouba KNOWING u would have to sign him to max term and 8M.

No matter what lens u view this buyout through... it IS a black eye for Gorton & co. There’s no way around that.

 

[TheTakedown]

Don't think there's any limits on the number of buy-outs, is there? Besides three 2nd window buy-outs over the course of the CBA.

Correct. Contract limits:

Team SPC limit: 50
Retained salary transactions: 3 (this does not include a transaction where another team retained salary for you)
2nd Buyout Window: 3 per CBA (so every 7-10 years)