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I'm not upset with this at all. We needed the cap space this year people. It also gives our young Dmen another year to mature and an opportunity for someone to step in next year without much of a cap hit. I'm also intrigued to see how this forward group plays with Kreider here atleast until the TDL. That could be a formidable group.
 
Lias Andersson said:
I can almost guarantee you that any trade for Kreider comes at the deadline. The idea that there are going to be other GM's around the league who now wake up and say "damn, I have to make a real offer for Kreider now" is just fantasy. If someone wanted him they would have made a legitimate offer to get him. Instead, what will happen is exactly what happened with Hayes and Zuccarello. He'll be traded at the deadline for less than everyone thinks he is really worth. I'm sorry but buying out Shattenkirk does not up Chris Kreider's trade value.
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...I completely agree?

There was discussion over the past couple weeks about trading guys, Kreider included to get under the cap. Avoiding buyouts. Trade Kreider, trade Namestnikov, you're good. Of course, we were being held over the barrel by our cap situation, so any proposals for Kreider likely would have reflected the fact that we were somewhat desperate. Now, we don't have to trade anyone. Now, we can hold onto Kreider until the TDL or anytime before, but expect fair market value. It's not about "increasing" his value to some new level, but removing the impediment that was likely preventing other teams from making fair offers right now (because why would they?).

Now that we've used a buyout to clear the cap, we don't need to worry about trading him or anyone else from a weak bargaining position. And yeah, we'll likely take it to the TDL.

As far as not getting fair value like "everyone" thought about Hayes and Zucc...not touching that.
 
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Let's not overcomplicate things here folks. This has nothing to do with Adam Fox or Chris Kreider or anybody else. We went on a shopping spree and maxed out the credit card. Now we've gotta do some unpleasant things to get ourselves back into line. That's it.

Gorton probably had a faint hope/desire, like the rest of us, that he could unload one of the bad contracts for a bag of pucks. That didn't happen, and now we're here. I understand that people like Gorton and I'm OK with that but let's not pretend we're watching some sort of Lex Luthor master plan unfold here.
 
nyr2k2 said:
The one where he's 31 and in decline, making $7M halfway through his deal. Same reason they didn't re-sign Hayes--they didn't think he'd be worth his contract for more than a few years.
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Ah, I see, so it's a cost and timeline type of thing right? Don't want a guy at his age making big bucks right around the time K and K should be rounding into form?
 
Lias Andersson said:
Ah, I see, so it's a cost and timeline type of thing right? Don't want a guy at his age making big bucks right around the time K and K should be rounding into form?
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Thats what NJ is doing and thats not even for older players. Having expiring contracts around the time your stud ELCs are up is how you create sustained success.

The biggest problem is after that because finding nee ELCs is tough when youre not drafting top-20 or not even in the 1st
 
this is exactly what should have happened.

there will be no rebound year.

he had no value on the market. his play was substandard and his 30 yr old legs wore out. hes been hurt since last fall and there is way more talent here than when he was signed. another yr of ADA, jake f***ing trouba and adam fox. are you kidding me, shatty has zero minutes of PP time possible.

5v5 shatty is atrocious. he lost his job. he was the 4th best righty dman on roster. it happens.

adam fox is a shatty clone people. does the same stuff hes just younger, cheaper and has fresh legs. adam fox was not acquired to play in hartford. the insurance policy is named brendan smith not shatty.

this makes perfect sense. they need the $$ now. few years that dead space wont matter.

right now, it does. this team believes they can make the playoffs. if st lou can go from worst to cup champs, anything can happen.

good move and a move i can get behind. bravo.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
this is exactly what should have happened.

there will be no rebound year.

he had no value on the market. his play was substandard and his 30 yr old legs wore out. hes been hurt since last fall and there is way more talent here than when he was signed. another yr of ADA, jake ****ing trouba and adam fox. are you kidding me, shatty has zero minutes of PP time possible.

5v5 shatty is atrocious. he lost his job. he was the 4th best righty dman on roster. it happens.

adam fox is a shatty clone people. does the same stuff hes just younger, cheaper and has fresh legs. adam fox was not acquired to play in hartford. the insurance policy is named brendan smith not shatty.

this makes perfect sense. they need the $$ now. few years that dead space wont matter.

right now, it does. this team believes they can make the playoffs. if st lou can go from worst to cup champs, anything can happen.

good move and a move i can get behind. bravo.
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Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.
 
Inferno said:
Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.
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Not a certain comparison- but I agree that Fox may not be ready and that we should prepare for that contingency.

If true, wouldn't be surprised to see Smith or another left-hander on the 3rd pairing right side. Frankly that suits me just fine as long as Trouba and DeAngelo get the bulk of the minutes.
 
nyr2k2 said:
...I completely agree?

There was discussion over the past couple weeks about trading guys, Kreider included to get under the cap. Avoiding buyouts. Trade Kreider, trade Namestnikov, you're good. Of course, we were being held over the barrel by our cap situation, so any proposals for Kreider likely would have reflected the fact that we were somewhat desperate. Now, we don't have to trade anyone. Now, we can hold onto Kreider until the TDL or anytime before, but expect fair market value. It's not about "increasing" his value to some new level, but removing the impediment that was likely preventing other teams from making fair offers right now (because why would they?).

Now that we've used a buyout to clear the cap, we don't need to worry about trading him or anyone else from a weak bargaining position. And yeah, we'll likely take it to the TDL.

As far as not getting fair value like "everyone" thought about Hayes and Zucc...not touching that.
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And this is the positive I take from buying out Shattenkirk. Yes it was the “easy choice” but it provided enough relief this year to hold onto Kreider and not sell him off with a shit return.

Now if they turn around and offload Namestnikov in a deal they could’ve pulled off this summer - then that changes things a bit.
 
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Inferno said:
Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.
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eh, you might be right but, i think fox is farther along than ryan was.

fox plays a different game. hes more offensive and more intuitive. hes a puck magnet and a creator. defensively, hes behind and will struggle with pace and gaps. to be expected.

sheltered match ups and limited zone starts and 15 mins per night 5v5 plus some PP2 time hell be fine.

hes your 3rd pair rd outa camp with smith there in case hes not ready.

i think hes more ready than you think. his game is pretty advanced.
 
Inferno said:
Except it's highly likely that Adam fox won't be ready for the NHL straight outta college.

Ryan mcdonagh is a better defenseman than fox...and he wasn't ready.
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Ryan McDonagh was a better defenseman than Fox at the same age?

I dont know about that. Dont know if thats a simple statement to make
 
RGY said:
Ryan McDonagh was a better defenseman than Fox at the same age?

I dont know about that. Dont know if thats a simple statement to make
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yup lets remember back then the habs weren't overly happy with ryans progress. they thought he had plateaued and that's why he was available. lets not make it like he was already mcd27 at the time. he wasnt.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
How do you feel about four years? Because for me that’s the difference maker...
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I would think about it, but honestly, Kreider and his agent would be completely insane to accept anything less than 6 years. This is his career payday and he would be foolish to not take the very best offer (which another team would definitely offer 6), or at the very least a 6 year offer.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
this is exactly what should have happened.

there will be no rebound year.

he had no value on the market. his play was substandard and his 30 yr old legs wore out. hes been hurt since last fall and there is way more talent here than when he was signed. another yr of ADA, jake ****ing trouba and adam fox. are you kidding me, shatty has zero minutes of PP time possible.

5v5 shatty is atrocious. he lost his job. he was the 4th best righty dman on roster. it happens.

adam fox is a shatty clone people. does the same stuff hes just younger, cheaper and has fresh legs. adam fox was not acquired to play in hartford. the insurance policy is named brendan smith not shatty.

this makes perfect sense. they need the $$ now. few years that dead space wont matter.

right now, it does. this team believes they can make the playoffs. if st lou can go from worst to cup champs, anything can happen.

good move and a move i can get behind. bravo.
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>Shattenkirk is atrocious 5v5
>Adam Fox is a Shattenkirk clone

Hello, yikes department?
 
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Tawnos said:
The Rangers won’t be trading Kreider for cap reasons at the deadline. They’ll be trading him because he doesn’t fit the future.
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Forget about the Rangers reasons, more importantly, the team acquiring Kreider will be doing so to hopefully put them over the top for a playoff run and keep their competitors from acquiring a play driving winger who is great in front of the net.

It won't increase his trade value but it will keep it fair. Like everything else it would be a calculated risk with hopefully Kreider having to stay healthy and have a great year and a team or two at the deadline possibly being desperate.
 
offdacrossbar said:
yup lets remember back then the habs weren't overly happy with ryans progress. they thought he had plateaued and that's why he was available. lets not make it like he was already mcd27 at the time. he wasnt.
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Eh, this isn’t exactly the truth. The offensive side of his game didn’t develop as the Habs had hoped but McDonagh, even as a sophomore, was known as one of the better defensive defensemen in NCAA.

So as far as a transition from NCAA to the NHL, given the player type, physical build and everything we knew of them when they left school, I would have believed McDonagh to be more NHL ready right away. That’s not to say Fox won’t force himself into the team, just that I would put his odds lower than I did of McDonagh at that time.

I’d probably be more inclined to sign a vet RD to start the season and take the pressure off of forcing Fox into immediate NHL action and then re-evaluate about 30-35 games in
 
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