Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?

[Dijock94]

I think you guys are underestimating just how bad of a spot Murray has put Ducks in. You have one of the top D-men in the league sitting out because there is no cap space to sign him.

Time will tell, if Ducks manage to get out of this without a BAD (value wise) trade then i'll be the first to give Murray props, that would be one hell of a feat.

I've said it before the ducks are a win now team so they should just attach picks and prospects to bieksa and stoner to unload those contracts.

 

[Vipers31]

I've said it before the ducks are a win now team so they should just attach picks and prospects to bieksa and stoner to unload those contracts.

That can happen with Stoner, but not with Bieksa. He has an NMC and won't waive it for a trade.

Also, the Ducks aren't just "win now". They're not run in a way that they are recklessly trading futures for short-term success; case in point: they have not been without a 1st round pick since 1999.

 

[Dijock94]

That can happen with Stoner, but not with Bieksa. He has an NMC and won't waive it for a trade.

Also, the Ducks aren't just "win now". They're not run in a way that they are recklessly trading futures for short-term success; case in point: they have not been without a 1st round pick since 1999.

How else are the going to unload garbage contracts? Stoner is over 3 million for a player they put on waivers. Attaching a high pick to ditch him will entice teams with cap space to take his contract.

 

[PuqTalk]

I can see it now.

Rangers acquire Fowler and pair him with Girardi. Rangers go the entirety of the season not scoring when that pair is on the ice. Stat is deemed "misused."

Okay, so ignoring the fact that Girardi is actually an example of a terrible defenseman while Fowler at his arguable weakest is a guy that can anchor your second pairing even with the likes of someone like Lovejoy or Bieksa, I love that you're willing to throw the averaged 35 points from Fowler a year out the door.

Fun fact, Fowler is top-10 in the league in successful zone exits + entries among defensemen.



Awful defensemen aren't among the best in the league at these kind of things. And at the same time it doesn't mean that Rielly, Green, Larsson, and Fowler are top-10 defensemen either.

Under Carlyle, one of the only positive things that ever came to fruition is happening again already: Fowler is way more active offensively. He's beginning to look like the dynamic rookie he once was and generating tons of activity in the offensive zone again rather than passively cycling the puck. Once we actually get some talent up at forward and get Lindholm in the lineup - assuming we do so without having to deal Fowler - I have a feeling this could be a big turning point in Fowler's career where he could actually put up 40-60 points if he's kept paired with Manson or Vatanen throughout the year.

 

[bernmeister]

I wonder what would they do with the expansion draft if they acquire another Dman. Already have covered the three spots for D with McDonagh, Girardi and Staal (and their NMCs). At least if we acquire another D we'll be able to keep one of Klein or him. Unless they plan to buyout Girardi. But I also see them considering to sign Shattenkirk as a FA.

insightful
and you are getting why I keep pushing for an ELC guy like theodore or even if much more, Hanifin

this is why we cannot move Skjei or Graves in a deal for Trouba

 

[Irishguy42]

Drury and Clark were there supposedly scouting the Ducks.

This isn't a "run-of-the-mill team scouting another team" thing.

It's the Asst. GM and Dir. of Player Personnel. Particularly weird since Clark very rarely, if at all, scouts NHL teams. He's all about prospects and drafting.

Something is up. If they wanted to merely wanted to scout the Ducks for upcoming games/etc., the Rangers have plenty of scouts at their disposal to make a trip to Brooklyn for an evening.

 

[gump116]

Rangers have only 1.4M in cap space according to General Fanager. I can`t see how they can help us unless there is some trick how they can give us millions of cap space

If the Rangers get Vatanen, I think they trade Klein for a 2nd or something to clear cap space.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Drury and Clark were there supposedly scouting the Ducks.

This isn't a "run-of-the-mill team scouting another team" thing.

It's the Asst. GM and Dir. of Player Personnel. Particularly weird since Clark very rarely, if at all, scouts NHL teams. He's all about prospects and drafting.

Something is up. If they wanted to merely wanted to scout the Ducks for upcoming games/etc., the Rangers have plenty of scouts at their disposal to make a trip to Brooklyn for an evening.

ya its odd reading that people don't think this is a big deal that they went to the game

Something is definitely brewing up, its just a matter of if something will end up happening. We all know Ducks have to do something so IMO its obvious NYR and Ducks are in talks or atleast Ducks let teams know certain guys are available

Ducks are in trouble contract wise and the team looks terrible to start the year. Just a matter of time until Murray pulls the trigger on a deal or 2

 

[Irishguy42]

If the Rangers get Vatanen, I think they trade Klein for a 2nd or something to clear cap space.

We have a bit more than $1.4M. General Fanager has it at 1.4 b/c Fontaine is listed as part of our main roster, which he's not. He's in Hartford, completely buried.

But yes, we'd need to clear some more space regardless.

 

[Vipers31]

How else are the going to unload garbage contracts? Stoner is over 3 million for a player they put on waivers. Attaching a high pick to ditch him will entice teams with cap space to take his contract.

I wasn't saying they won't trade any kind of futures, I said they are not run in a way that they would recklessly do so. I was just adding a bit of perspective to your notion that they're "win now" and should "just" attach picks and prospects to get rid of those contracts. They may have to, to some level, but there won't be any "just" to it, and their goal to compete now isn't going to overshadow all other mid-/long-term implications.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

doesn't it seem like Ducks/NYR are bad trading partners cause both team's are in need of clearing space?

Orrrrrr maybe NYR and NYI are going to pull off a deal??!haha

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would do Vats for Miller+ 2nd/prospect. Murray isn't that smart though.

Vatanen for Miller + McIlrath?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

doesn't it seem like Ducks/NYR are bad trading partners cause both team's are in need of clearing space?

Orrrrrr maybe NYR and NYI are going to pull off a deal??!haha

NYR don't really need to clear cap space though, we just can't take on much more then $2m.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I really don't even wanna acquire any defenseman until the idiot behind the bench is gone.

He thinks Holden is good. He's already run Yandle and pretty much McIlrath out of town.

You missed the perfect opportunity to use the "Holden is golden" phrase there haha.

Anyway, Yandle left because we could not sign him. Why? Because Sather gave 5.5m and 5.7m deals with a NMC to Girardi and Staal.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

NYR don't really need to clear cap space though, we just can't take on much more then $2m.

ok my bad... I assumed NYR needs to just judging by some comments... I take my comment back!!!

Get it done!

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Fowler for Buchnevich and a 1st please!!!

 

[aufheben]

Vatanen for Miller + McIlrath?

I think Ducks fans would want a one-for-one, at most some draft picks to balance it out if necessary. They've said they don't need a defenseman and they need as little cap hit coming back as possible. Vatanen/Miller gives them about $2.1M more in space. The Rangers have $2.5M in space, and Miller makes $2.7M; should be enough but it puts them squeezed right up against the cap.

 

[Jumptheshark]

My guess it is fowler and the ducks do not want to take any money back to sign lindholm

 

[aufheben]

My guess it is fowler and the ducks do not want to take any money back to sign lindholm

Rangers don't have enough space to not send some cap the other way, and they don't need LHD. The Rangers wanted Shattenkirk, I could see them going after a less costly alternative in Vatanen.

 

[McDonald19]

Vatanen for Miller + McIlrath?

Ducks don't need McIlrath.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Fowler for Buchnevich and a 1st please!!!

Yeah. Buch isn't going anywhere. Not only do I not believe Fowler isn't that good, there is no desire to move Buchnevich from our end.

 

[Markus078]

Fowler for Buchnevich and a 1st please!!!

Buchnevich would fit the needs but I doubt the Ducks will take a Russian especially an unproven one in this league.

 

[aufheben]

Why do people keep bringing up Fowler? Ducks fans are saying he's more important to the team than Vatanen, and the Rangers need a RHD not Fowler.

 

[Curufinwe]

If the Rangers get Vatanen, I think they trade Klein for a 2nd or something to clear cap space.

Then who do they protect at the ED... Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Vatanen and which four forwards?

 

[Irishguy42]

Fowler for Buchnevich and a 1st please!!!

Fowler isn't worth that much to the Rangers.