Number1RedWingsFan52
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Totally agree, I think BM might've to get an insane return to even think about trading Vatanen i would think.
Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?
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Totally agree, I think BM might've to get an insane return to even think about trading Vatanen i would think.
Oscar Lindberg
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And explain to me why Rangers would do that? Vatanen and Kreider are pretty similar in value and both just signed decently long term reasonable deals. So why do Rangers take back a pure cap dump in Stoner?
THall4
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I get that Vatanen would cost the Oilers more than usual because their inter division rivals. But Draisaitl would cost the Ducks far more then just Vatanen.
Based on what I have seen so far this short season. Fowlers price has sky rocketed and I want to keep him more the Vats now.
Machinehead
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People keep bringing this one stat up as if it changes the results. He's still a dreadful possession player.
"Hey look this guy doesn't score any goals, but he's top-10 at attempting backhanders!!"
Rangers get a Top 4 offensive RHD, and a solid 6th, but ~1mil overpaid defenseman, and Anaheim gets a top 6 LW. I would be willing to throw in a 2nd.
But if Rangers don't like it then it will not work.
Ducks in a row
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Possession is one stat why do some people keep bringing it up and ignoring other stuff like getting the puck out of the zone when he has it and production of 30+ points per 82 games while facing other teams scorers getting more defensive zone starts and having a 3rd pair defense partner?
A defenseman who is good for 30+ points per 82 games in a situation like Fowler in shouldn't get trashed so much I mean come on some people are acting like he is a 3rd pair defenseman of which I have seen being said because of those damn hero charts that says Schultz > Fowler. To get the complete picture of a defenseman you need to look at everything but it is clear as day some people don't.
Sojourn
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It's easier to let the numbers make your decisions for you. It saves you the time and trouble of actually having to watch players, and make your own determinations. It's about as lazy an approach as it gets, and you get to tell everyone how informed you are.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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No one is suggesting Draisaitl, More then likely Draisaitl would only get moved in a Lindholm deal not a Vatanen deal period.
aufheben
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Yeah but right now Lindholm isn't on any deal and the Ducks need a winger and capspace.
Baemon Severson*
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Sorry, but if I had to either blindly make a decision based on statistics (i.e. facts) or from watching the game, I'd choose statistics 100% of the time. There's just too much natural bias that occurs.
*Note: not advisable to form an opinion without both.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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True but Miller+2nd gets you Fowler not Vatanen. Miller isn't any better then Tatar with Detroit and Tatar+2nd gets us Fowler not Vatanen it would take more then Miller and a 2nd to get Vatanen. And besides the difference between Miller and Vatanen is only about $2.1 million hardly enough to give between $6 million to $6.5 million per long term for Lindholm so this deal still doesn't work cap wise for Anaheim.
aufheben
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Idk, what I've generally been hearing from Ducks fans is that they'd rather trade Vatanen than Fowler, and that Miller + is pretty fair value for him. Obviously they don't speak for the GM though.
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Id rather trade Vatanen personally but I think miller + 2nd is a Fowler trade. I think Theodore or montour can do what Vatanen can do right now, but they can't replace Fowler.
Vatanen has a great contract and arguably the more desired position.... not sure what exactly would work but I think miller + 2nd is selling him low.
Gardner McKay
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Eh. Fair enough. From an NYR perspective, I wouldn't do Miller for Fowler straight up. However, I wouldn't mind adding a bit on top of that 2nd in order to get Vatanen.
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It's weird because I think every other fan base would take Vatanen over Fowler but I'm pretty sure duck fans rate our dmen.
Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen
Idk how much of an add (idk what miller's contract looks like etc) plus were in a weird bind where we can't take back much money so chances are it has to be picks and prospects with 1 decent prices player.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Agree before BM resigned Vatanen it definitely sounded like he would be the most tradable asset and most of the Duck fans were suggesting trading Vatanen and keeping Fowler but since BM resigned Vatanen it sounds more or less that Fowler were be the most expendable one here. If i were the Duck fans i would much rather keep Fowler and trade Vatanen like what one Duck poster said Theodore/Montour should be able to do what Vatanen does rather easily.
You'd seriously rather form an opinion off of a stat sheet rather than watch the game? I'd hope you don't get upset when people laugh in your face if you really used that in a evaluation of a player. It must be nice to scout players you've never seen play before, why fly scouts across the world to watch players when we have stat sheets.
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That's pretty much it, I think we all thought Vatanen would for sure be gone then he got resigned and all fingers pointed at Fowler...
I think the market for offensive rhd is always huge and Theodore already proofed he can play at nhl level and montour is pretty much right on his tail.
Just kinda sucks were almost a week in and having these discussions still.
That's because most people who judge Fowler do so by staring at statistics rather than watching him play.
As for the proposal, I wouldn't do it. If Vatanen is actually available, I think we would get many higher offers than that. I think Vatanen is a bit overrated personally, but he'd be highly sought after if actually available.
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