Speculation: Rangers and Ducks talking trade?

[bernmeister]

Arthur StapleVerified account
‏@StapeNewsday
#NYR have Chris Drury and Gordie Clark in attendance here tonight. Could be checking out Ducks' D-men.

It probably has to do with Cam Fowler, but is there any chance whatsoever the Rangers can pry Sami Vatanen from the Ducks? Maybe JT Miller+ for Vats?

If it's Fowler, can he be had for pennies on the dollar?

do not want Fowler, do not need any LD unless they are ELC expansion exempt

Logic dictates something along the lines of Miller for Fowler, with Fowler possibly being Trouba bait.

I would not take that chance and give Jets control via option to back out

Also, def not dealing Miller unless in a package and Hanifin is the return

I absolutely refuse to watch the Rangers if they acquire Fowler.

concur

I'd rather give up Vesey than Miller.

not after just acquired and we begged him to choose us
he and hayes stays

The Ducks don't need a defenseman coming back.

concur
MAYBE a swap, but def can't add one

Vaatanen isn't exempt for expansion right? Is Montour?
Rangers really can't afford to protect 4 defenseman.

this^
I am amenable to Zuc for Vatanen
unless we can strike something w/Canes for an ELC guy who is cheaper and protected

presumably, Theodore/Montour not available except at a primo overpay

 

[Savant]

It's a question that does't match the actual content. Teams scout other teams all the time. No reason to think it's about a trade.

Clark and Drury went. That's a big deal.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It's a question that does't match the actual content. Teams scout other teams all the time. No reason to think it's about a trade.

Assistant GM's and the Director of Player Personel do not just randomly scout a game without a reason

 

[HanSolo]

Would rather trade Sami.

I absolutely refuse to watch the Rangers if they acquire Fowler.

Now I almost hope it happens. I want to see how true this is.

 

[Remember2004]

More like Tanner Glass for Fowler

I'm pretty sure AV would not let that happen and he would resign if Glass left LOL. Doesn't he have some kind of strange like for Glass?

 

[DavidBL]

I'm pretty sure AV would not let that happen and he would resign if Glass left LOL. Doesn't he have some kind of strange like for Glass?

Everyone assumes this is about the Ducks. Clark and Drury could have been scouting the NYI as well. They don't really have anyone to play the RW with Tavares anymore. It would likely be a salary for salary deal but it's not out of the question.

 

[Kalv]

Rangers have only 1.4M in cap space according to General Fanager. I can`t see how they can help us unless there is some trick how they can give us millions of cap space

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Rangers have only 1.4M in cap space according to General Fanager. I can`t see how they can help us unless there is some trick how they can give us millions of cap space

They have Justin Fontaine on the team, he's sent to Hartford in the AHL, we have ~$2m in cap space to work with. We're also at 23 players so can easily cut one to make a few extra bucks available if really needed.

 

[Kanneda]

I wonder what would they do with the expansion draft if they acquire another Dman. Already have covered the three spots for D with McDonagh, Girardi and Staal (and their NMCs). At least if we acquire another D we'll be able to keep one of Klein or him. Unless they plan to buyout Girardi. But I also see them considering to sign Shattenkirk as a FA.

 

[HanSolo]

A bit, yes. Would like to keep him, but him if it's between Fowler and Vats, Vats is more replaceable.

A bit is generous. He's been garbage since game 1 of the world cup.

 

[Kanneda]

I absolutely refuse to watch the Rangers if they acquire Fowler.

What do you think about this article?

Cam Fowler is a very interesting case, as he is very high event, very efficient exiting the zone both with and without control, and has one of the lowest defensive turnover rates in the NHL, but he is far below team average in shot suppression on the Ducks. Of the top 20 players in this style of breakdown, Fowler does spend the most amount of his effort in the defensive zone, with 65 per cent of his events happening there, but I wonder if he’s more in a bad situation than just poor defensively.

You probably watch Fowler twice a season and base the rest of your opinion about him on analytics so maybe you totally change your mind after reading it

 

[Paul4587]

A bit is generous. He's been garbage since game 1 of the world cup.

As Ducks fans why do we care about what he did in the World Cup? He's looked off for 3 games that actually matter for us. It's a long season, sometimes guys start slow and other times they come out roaring and slow down as the season goes on.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Can't believe Murray put himself in this position, does he even have any leverage in any trade talks?

 

[Vipers31]

Can't believe Murray put himself in this position, does he even have any leverage in any trade talks?

As long as there's good players/assets to talk trade about, there will be multiple teams interested, which is far and away the prime source for leverage.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Arthur StapleVerified account
‏@StapeNewsday
#NYR have Chris Drury and Gordie Clark in attendance here tonight. Could be checking out Ducks' D-men.



It probably has to do with Cam Fowler, but is there any chance whatsoever the Rangers can pry Sami Vatanen from the Ducks? Maybe JT Miller+ for Vats?


If it's Fowler, can he be had for pennies on the dollar?

Ducks won't be trading Fowler for pennies on the dollar and Vatanen being traded so soon after re-signing with us is unlikely.

I absolutely refuse to watch the Rangers if they acquire Fowler.

Not much of a Rangers fan if true.

1)Girardi was already here long before the current regime took over. This would be a move to actively acquire an awful player.

2)Now it would be Girardi AND Fowler in the top 4.

Fowler isn't a awful player you really need to watch the player your talking about.

I bet NYR would want Vatanen

They have Montour chomping at the bit to replace Vats eventually

Montour could possibly replace him eventually but we don't know when that will be or if it will actually happen for all we know Montour might never become as good in the NHL as Vatanen has been.

Could be, we were rumored to trade for him when they were playing cat and mouse with Girardi over his contract a few years ago.

I'd like to trade Vesey for Montour. I think that would be a fair trade for both teams. I think Vesey's the logical odd man out of our top 9, unless they are serious about trading Nash or Zucc.

I would not like that at all.

What do you think about this article?



You probably watch Fowler twice a season and base the rest of your opinion about him on analytics so maybe you totally change your mind after reading it

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

As long as there's good players/assets to talk trade about, there will be multiple teams interested, which is far and away the prime source for leverage.

I guess, he's still in a terrible negotiating position. I think whatever trade is happening will end up with a team completely robbing Ducks blind here.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I guess, he's still in a terrible negotiating position. I think whatever trade is happening will end up with a team completely robbing Ducks blind here.

Other teams have had terrible negotiation position in trades but don't get robbed blind.

 

[gretskidoo]

A bit is generous. He's been garbage since game 1 of the world cup.

World Cup is literally meaningless.

Tatar was good there and he's been **** to start the season.

 

[Vipers31]

I guess, he's still in a terrible negotiating position. I think whatever trade is happening will end up with a team completely robbing Ducks blind here.

Eh, I think you're overestimating. The only option that goes off the table for him is to say "fine then, I'll just do nothing and keep my guy unless you're willing to overpay". That's the one option he doesn't have, other than that, it's a standard situation where the market dictates the value just the same way as always.

 

[YngwieJ86]

Would the Ducks seriously trade Vatanen before Fowler? I like Fowler and to me he's a good second pairing D, but I'm not sure in which category he's better than Vats.
I remember this HockeyPDO cast with one stats guy saying Vats was one of the best in the league in zone exits and offensive categories. I think the guy was Mark Szneijder or something.
I might be biased as a finn but my eye test says the same when comparing these to guys too.

But the Carlyle and Nonis hires leave me quite worried

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I think you guys are underestimating just how bad of a spot Murray has put Ducks in. You have one of the top D-men in the league sitting out because there is no cap space to sign him.

Time will tell, if Ducks manage to get out of this without a BAD (value wise) trade then i'll be the first to give Murray props, that would be one hell of a feat.

 

[Markus078]

Mika Zibanejad would be my choice, JT Miller cones second.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Would the Ducks seriously trade Vatanen before Fowler? I like Fowler and to me he's a good second pairing D, but I'm not sure in which category he's better than Vats.
I remember this HockeyPDO cast with one stats guy saying Vats was one of the best in the league in zone exits and offensive categories. I think the guy was Mark Szneijder or something.
I might be biased as a finn but my eye test says the same when comparing these to guys too.

But the Carlyle and Nonis hires leave me quite worried

Fowler contract is up after next season trading Vatanen instead of him isn't something they should do. Imagine them doing so and then Fowler tests free agency when his contract is up and signs with another team then we are in trouble.

 

[Vipers31]

I think you guys are underestimating just how bad of a spot Murray has put Ducks in. You have one of the top D-men in the league sitting out because there is no cap space to sign him.

We know the situation very well. We don't really know whether he's sitting out because of the lack of cap space or because they still haven't come to terms (and reports say that they indeed have not come to terms). But more importantly, I just explained what kind of influence this situation has, which is pretty limited. Having to do something isn't shaping the market, it's only taking away the "wait until someone meets asking price" option.

 

[Kanneda]

Could be, we were rumored to trade for him when they were playing cat and mouse with Girardi over his contract a few years ago.

I'd like to trade Vesey for Montour. I think that would be a fair trade for both teams. I think Vesey's the logical odd man out of our top 9, unless they are serious about trading Nash or Zucc.

Trading Vesey at this point would be beyond stupid. Not only because he's looking good but also because we won't be able to sign a free agent ever again. He chooses us among the 30 teams and we trade him 2 months after??