maybe 1-2 million more for more ufa years. I like Hughes but that poster Three On Zero is troll and avid dahlin hater i dont take him serious on this subject.
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While we’re shutting down Hughes is a liability defensively myth…
A lot of people suggest he’s an undersized defenseman as if that’s a knock for some reason.
Adam Fox: 5’11 182lbs
Cake Makar: 5’11 187lba
Quinn Hughes: 5’10 181lbs
Literally 1 inch shorter roughly the same in weight but his size was apparently an issue Lol. It’s funny because he looks taller than Adam Fox.
It speaks volumes how good his defensive metrics are considering the defense around him and the Canucks being dead last in GA.
A lot of people suggest he’s an undersized defenseman as if that’s a knock for some reason.
Adam Fox: 5’11 182lbs
Cake Makar: 5’11 187lba
Quinn Hughes: 5’10 181lbs
Literally 1 inch shorter roughly the same in weight but his size was apparently an issue Lol. It’s funny because he looks taller than Adam Fox.
It speaks volumes how good his defensive metrics are considering the defense around him and the Canucks being dead last in GA.
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Keep Demko, Hughes, Petterson and a couple depth players you deem key to your org or who want to be there and jettison the rest.
With your true established, work to trade and sign players to build around said core and you have yourself a 2 year retool.
With your true established, work to trade and sign players to build around said core and you have yourself a 2 year retool.
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Who claimed that Hughes was worth more than Dahlin? It was simply stated it was bad for Vancouver.
The difference between Hughes and Dahlin does not net a team a player like Pettersson
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Agreed. Except you said “Remove Pettersson and it’s still bad for Vancouver”. So you said that Hughes for Dahlin is bad for Vancouver.
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You want to start from scratch with this management and owner?? Good luck, also good luck drafting players like Hughes and Pettersson without Brackett and others that were part of drafting them.
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We need a Bedard. This owner will never allow a steady enough rebuild to build an A1 supporting cast. We need the A1 superstar.
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Dude Bedard is just a dream even if Canucks end up last. Stop dreaming, they couldn't even draft 2nd when they were the 2nd last team many seasons ago and ended up drafting 5th. Also Petersson is already that A1 superstar. What they need is a better supporting cast around Hughes and Petersson not garbage like OEL, Myers and other crap players. You won't ever get a Stanley Cup team with this management and owner. So forget about it until the top is changed otherwise it will just be the same song and dance.
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So if we both agree that realistically nothing good will ever happen under fatquilini then what even are we doing here?
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We are here just for hope and we are hoping to see an NHL team. We are still more fortunate than other cities like Saskatchewan that don't even have a hockey team. We have one playing in the NHL, just too bad they aren't an NHL caliber team
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Except you need a GM and Owner worth his salt to have patience and also intelligence when targeting players they want to build around that core. They need to be a professional organization first before they think about any plans. I still think Canucks best GM in the past 20 or so years has been Gillis. Gillis took the team far, almost won a cup, presidents trophy and many winning seasons and knew how to build a playoff team aside from a team that is successful in regular season. After his departure, it has been a complete disaster. If Gillis was allowed to rebuild the team, am sure we would be among the elite teams right now.
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Hard disagree. We are cursed to have a fatquilini owned NHL team. It means we are in the league yet can never win. At least Saskies can get behind the CFL to be happy.
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You can lean on the almost entirely made up "officially listed height/weight" of players all you want. You can jump up and down and rave about all 5'10" of Conor Garland while you're at it.
The reality that matters, is that Hughes is visibly very small on the ice, and he plays to that small size. It's an issue. It limits his upside, and the areas of the game that he is able to effectively have a positive impact.You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not a factor, but it's the cold hard reality of what Hughes is as a defenceman. Doesn't mean he's a useless, worthless little runt of a player. But it's a noteworthy limitation on what he can do.
When you watch Makar, he projects himself effectively all over the ice, and his alleged lack of size is never evident. Whether he's that much taller than Hughes standing around the locker room if you get out the measuring tape or not...it really doesn't matter. He plays and projects himself to a much larger size, and doesn't have the same limitations in his game when it comes to engaging physically.
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Go watch Fox play if you think engaging physically makes you inferior. Hughes doesn’t need to throw checks, he uses his body to close gaps, and utilizes his agility to get positioning to close off players. Fox does it much better than Hughes obviously but point still stands.You can lean on the almost entirely made up "officially listed height/weight" of players all you want. You can jump up and down and rave about all 5'10" of Conor Garland while you're at it.
You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not a factor, but it's the cold hard reality of what Hughes is as a defenceman. Doesn't mean he's a useless, worthless little runt of a player. But it's a noteworthy limitation on what he can do.
When you watch Makar, he projects himself effectively all over the ice, and his alleged lack of size is never evident. Whether he's that much taller than Hughes standing around the locker room if you get out the measuring tape or not...it really doesn't matter. He plays and projects himself to a much larger size, and doesn't have the same limitations in his game when it comes to engaging physically.
Makar throws his hip into checkers, but he’s not a physical defenseman at all nor does he engage in physical contact most of the time.
Again you’re proving nothing.
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You can lean on the almost entirely made up "officially listed height/weight" of players all you want. You can jump up and down and rave about all 5'10" of Conor Garland while you're at it.
You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not a factor, but it's the cold hard reality of what Hughes is as a defenceman. Doesn't mean he's a useless, worthless little runt of a player. But it's a noteworthy limitation on what he can do.
When you watch Makar, he projects himself effectively all over the ice, and his alleged lack of size is never evident. Whether he's that much taller than Hughes standing around the locker room if you get out the measuring tape or not...it really doesn't matter. He plays and projects himself to a much larger size, and doesn't have the same limitations in his game when it comes to engaging physically.
Yes, what matters is that despite being on a shitshow of a team with horrible goaltending, Hughes is performing like a franchise player. His offense and defensive metrics are all amazing. Vancouver has lost four of their last five games with a cumulative goal difference of minus 7. Quinn has played about 26.5 mins of each of those games and is +2 with 2G+5A=7 PTS...all while playing with guys who are #6-7 defenseman on contenders. The guy is a monster on a clown show of a team.
He's good at hockey...but he's not big.
If you are a size king, you can have Tyler Myers, he's huge and has won a major individual award. He's got everything that Hughes doesn't.
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Hughes is regularly protected against top competition and has been his whole career. It's truly crazy you think he's a Makar/Fox/Dahlin level player.
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There is no way Dahlin is on another level then Hughes, like holy f***ing bias, nor would anyone say he's the best dman in the world or even in the conversation. Talk about derailing the thread, look at yourself with statements like that.
I'm not saying Hughes is worth more either BTW.
At least two of those guys have had solid partners there whole careers, but yah, there aren't a tonne of holes in your statement, what a bad take.
Hughes is 8th in the league in TOI, he plays against all competition, what’re you talking about
Since he’s entered the league, he’s top 5 in time on ice, only Makar, Doughty, Hedman, and Heiskanen have averaged more.
Dahlin his whole career has been mediocre until half of last season and this season, and one of the worst defenseman in GA in history of U24 who have played more than 100 games.
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