Predict the Atlantic Standings

[bert]

You don’t have to pretend to watch Panthers games. We know you sit at a grand total of 0 the last 3 years.

I bet them 21 to 1 to win the Cup last summer. I watched them more than most Panthers fans. I certainly have a better handle on them than any of you do the sens.

 

[Beezeral]

Stutzle scored way more actual points and doesn't get to play with all stars. You can think Lundell is better all you want, keep the charts coming. When stutzle outscores him by 20 points this year we can check back to this thread. He is much more dominant by the eye test as well. His level of skill and creativity is in the upper echelon of the league. I am a big lundell fan I watched 40 + Panthers games they aren't the same level of player.

So the Senators are a deeper and better forward group than the Panthers but Lundell was propped up by getting to play with the all stars on the Panthers.

Lundell played on the 3rd line with Marchment and Reinhart most of the year. Both good players for sure. Reinhart is very good. But it's a bit disingenuous to say that Lundell playing 3rd line minutes and minimal PP time benefitted from playing with the Panthers stars when his most common linemate was Reinhart who according to you, isn't good enough to be part of the reason why the Panthers have a better top 6.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Stutzle scored way more actual points and doesn't get to play with all stars. You can think Lundell is better all you want, keep the charts coming. When stutzle outscores him by 20 points this year we can check back to this thread. He is much more dominant by the eye test as well. His level of skill and creativity is in the upper echelon of the league. I am a big lundell fan I watched 40 + Panthers games they aren't the same level of player.

Well I'd hope Stutzle gets more points if he's playing on the PP, he averaged 2.5 more minutes on it than Lundell.

What a weak argument after I gave you 7-8 things Lundell did better than Tim.

Lundell played with Marchment (noted all star) and Reinhart...
Likely because Florida had some of the best depth in the league.

And I didn't say Lundell was better, I said they're equal if you look at my player comparisons

 

[Beezeral]

You don’t have to pretend to watch Panthers games. We know you sit at a grand total of 0 the last 3 years.

He watches the games. His eye test simply tells him that the player on his favorite team is better than the player on a different team. There is no bias in his eye test even though the numbers say otherwise.

 

[bert]

He watches the games. His eye test simply tells him that the player on his favorite team is better than the player on a different team. There is no bias in his eye test even though the numbers say otherwise.

Well I'd hope Stutzle gets more points if he's playing on the PP, he averaged 2.5 more minutes on it than Lundell.

What a weak argument after I gave you 7-8 things Lundell did better than Tim.

Lundell played with Marchment (noted all star) and Reinhart...
Likely because Florida had some of the best depth in the league.

And I didn't say Lundell was better, I said they're equal if you look at my player comparisons

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Well lets just go make a poll then.

 

[FinlandPanther]

I bet them 21 to 1 to win the Cup last summer. I watched them more than most Panthers fans. I certainly have a better handle on them than any of you do the sens.

Lmao sure you do. Show me your work where you watch more than panthers fans. Oh wait.

 

[Masked]

Well lets just go make a poll then.

Is there really any point to that when you have people voting who know so little about hockey that they believe Duclair is better than Tkachuk and/or Batherson?

Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

Lmao sure you do. Show me your work where you watch more than panthers fans. Oh wait.

Well it appears I am more familiar with their team than you are in this instance. You actually thought they dont run systems.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Well lets just go make a poll then.

Why? You need others to do the work for you?
If you make one, make sure to post key stats, not just your expert opinion.

 

[Beezeral]

Well lets just go make a poll then.

1-12 both team's top 6. GO

 

[bert]

Why? You need others to do the work for you?
If you make one, make sure to post key stats, not just your expert opinion.

Its up, a simple who is better. Feel free to spread your fancy stats around, there will never be a place they are more effective than around here. Unfortunately alot of people actually watch the games and look at the real production.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Well it appears I am more familiar with their team than you are in this instance. You actually thought they dont run systems.

Cute.

Its up, a simple who is better. Feel free to spread your fancy stats around, there will never be a place they are more effective than around here. Unfortunately alot of people actually watch the games and look at the real production.

But you don’t watch the games so I don’t get it.

 

[Beezeral]

Is there really any point to that when you have people voting who know so little about hockey that they believe Duclair is better than Tkachuk and/or Batherson?

Assen na yo!

feel free to make an argument of your own. Maybe you are willing to rank the top 6 on each team in a 1-12.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

feel free to make an argument of your own. Maybe you are willing to rank the top 6 on each team in a 1-12.

What would 1-12 prove?

And before answering, take 2 minutes to think about it...

 

[Beezeral]

What would 1-12 prove?

And before answering, take 2 minutes to think about it...

It’s a pretty good way to figure out which team has a better top 6

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It’s a pretty good way to figure out which team has a better top 6

I guess you did not think about it.

I'll give you an admittedly extreme example.

Let's say Team A has a 9.5 player, and five 6.4 player.

Team B has six 6.5 player.

So 1-12 would be A-B-B-B-B-B-B-A-A-A-A-A.

Would that mean that Team B has a better Top 6?

Your answer to that last question will allow us to see if you're serious about discussing the subject, or simply here to attempt to win arguments at the cost of your credibility...

 

[Beezeral]

I guess you did not think about it.

I'll give you an admittedly extreme example.

Let's say Team A has a 9.5 player, and five 6.4 player.

Team B has six 6.5 player.

So 1-12 would be A-B-B-B-B-B-B-A-A-A-A-A.

Would that mean that Team B has a better Top 6?

Your answer to that last question will allow us to see if you're serious about discussing the subject, or simply here to attempt to win arguments at the cost of your credibility...

I think the best way to do it would be a tier ranking. But I was trying to make things a bit simpler considering no senators fan wanted to put anything in writing outside of Ottawa’s top 6>Florida’s top 6.

For your scenario though. It would depend on the tiers. Let’s use an extreme scenario.

If that situation played out and player one on team A is mdavid and players 2-6 on team A are fourth line plugs while team B is 1-6 2nd liners. Then yea. Team b has a better top 6.

But again. This is why tiers matter in that ranking.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I think the best way to do it would be a tier ranking. But I was trying to make things a bit simpler considering no senators fan wanted to put anything in writing outside of Ottawa’s top 6>Florida’s top 6.

For your scenario though. It would depend on the tiers. Let’s use an extreme scenario.

If that situation played out and player one on team A is mdavid and players 2-6 on team A are fourth line plugs while team B is 1-6 2nd liners. Then yea. Team b has a better top 6.

But again. This is why tiers matter in that ranking.

You completely forgot the the 6.5 and 6.4 ratings and avoided answering the question.

You have a foot solidly in the "not attempting to discuss the issue but simply attempting to win an argument" camp.

So unless I see something more positive, I'll simply not enter in a discussion with you.

 

[Beezeral]

You completely forgot the the 6.5 and 6.4 ratings and avoided answering the question.

You have a foot solidly in the "not attempting to discuss the issue but simply attempting to win an argument" camp.

So unless I see something more positive, I'll simply not enter in a discussion with you.

Imo your example was a bit odd because a top 6 that has 1 9.5 player and 5 6.4 players is clearly better than a team with 6 6.5 players.
The one star more than makes up for players 2-6 slightly being worse than team b’s 2-6.

I used my own example to be as clear as possible to my stance.

 

[bert]

Cute.


But you don’t watch the games so I don’t get it.

Thanks for contributing.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

No dog in the fight. I'd pick Florida's forwards over Ottawa's. Florida is more proven. They scored a boatload of points last year. The swap of M Tkachuk for Huberdeau for me is a lateral move in points. And they were so deep that they'll still be an elite offensive team without Duclair. That's my prediction. I think Ottawa has a potent offense, but I'll need to see it before I can put them in the same tier as Florida.

The bigger question is on defense. I think neither team is strong defensively going into 22-23. I'm not sure who I'd pick. Goaltending I take Florida but I think it's close.

Lastly I want to say that Lundell looks to me like a future top line player. Honestly he could be a top line player this year. He looked excellent any time I watched him last year. Ain't no way Tim Stutzle is a sure thing better player. They both could be all stars. We don't know yet.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Imo your example was a bit odd because a top 6 that has 1 9.5 player and 5 6.4 players is clearly better than a team with 6 6.5 players.
The one star more than makes up for players 2-6 slightly being worse than team b’s 2-6.

I used my own example to be as clear as possible to my stance.

Finally.

It took a while but...

 

[Beezeral]

Finally.

It took a while but...

but what? I answered in good faith. The least you can do is extend the same courtesy.

 

[wintersej]

I think it’s funny that either a Florida or Ottawa fan could say their top six is better with so many big acquisitions that have yet to play a minute together.

I also suspect that both Florida fans and Ottawa fans would much rather talk about their forward groups than their defensive personnel. Both teams are first round fodder if they make it.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I think it’s funny that either a Florida or Ottawa fan could say their top six is better with so many big acquisitions that have yet to play a minute together.

I also suspect that both Florida fans and Ottawa fans would much rather talk about their forward groups than their defensive personnel. Both teams are first round fodder if they make it.

Oh, hey Boston..is that a new skate board?