Playoff Keefe

[WestCoastLeafs]

It bothers me to this day that they decided to go after Tavares for 7 years *first* instead of locking up Marner & Matthews for 8 years. Cap Management 101.

For Keefe, I like the guy - he turned his life around but between last year, this years long powerplay woes that remained unaddressed, and the inability to adapt in the Montreal series… I’m not incredibly impressed. Rather he tried and failed.

Marner and Matthews weren't even eligible to be extended until the day Tavares signed. You think Tavares was just going to wait around all summer for the Leafs to negotiate with Marner and Matthews?

 

[Superstar]

Marner and Matthews weren't even eligible to extended until the day Tavares signed. You think Tavares was just going to wait around all summer for the Leafs to negotiate with Marner and Matthews?

Dubas still shouldn't have overpaid for Matthews and Marner...Dubas should have drawn the line...Tavares was a UFA signing, there were multiple teams bidding for his services, and he still gave a discount to the Leafs...Matthews and Marner wanting big money? Wait until UFA status...the irony here is they didn't even give the Leafs max deals so that they could get to UFA status sooner to get even more money...and Matthews deal is at least 1 year too short for the AAV.

 

[Stephen]

Lou wanted to go and had to go. He was always a temp

His biggest mistake was being too hands off. Especially with coaches and being reactive. New age management is i dont micromanage

Cam Neeley micromanage. If he had seen the pp suck he would have had a talk with the coaching staff

Shannay needed to mandate that Keefe needed a senior assistant coach to run by situations. What does Malhotra really know. Get a Assistant coach that an guide him as well and take pressure of him

Consequence of having so many green people in key positions is if you give them a mentor, usually those mentors can steal their jobs.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Unfortunately I think Foligno was forced into the lineup for optics. Management was preparing for the chance of another 1st round exit and knew that if Foligno played like 2 playoff games for a 1st rounder it would look really bad.

I can't think of any other reason because it was clear from his first shift he wasn't in game condition. Literally couldn't skate

So your theory is that the Leafs management, with the Leafs up 3-2 in the series, felt there was no chance of winning the series, and so they put Foligno in ahead of another player who they felt could do a better job, all because they thought losing a series with Foligno playing was better optics than losing a series with him not playing?

 

[weems]

Consequence of having so many green people in key positions is if you give them a mentor, usually those mentors can steal their jobs.

The mentors can also come in and quickly say this version you're trying to run wont get it done.

Take Boudreau for example. Who knos maybe we could have hired him but did Dubas want to bring in an experienced coach that could potentially dump all over the way they were trying to do things.

Much easier to bring in a inexperienced guy like Malholtra who most likely will just go along with everything and be happy he's got a NHL coaching job.

 

[Stephen]

The mentors can also come in and quickly say this version you're trying to run wont get it done.

Take Boudreau for example. We could have easily hired him but did Dubas want to bring in an experienced coach that could potentially dump all over the way they were trying to do things.

Much easier to bring in a inexperienced guy like Malholtra who most likely will just go along with everything and be happy he's got a NHL coaching job.

Reminds me of when Ken Dryden was brought in the Brendan Shanahan president role in the late 90s, and he hired Mike Smith (skill, European focus) to GM and Pat Quinn to coach. Quinn was obviously the most veteran hockey man with GM and president experience and lo and behold, Quinn was the last man standing a few years later.

If you brought in veteran hockey men like Bruce Boudreau to 'assist' Keefe and a Jim Rutherford to 'mentor' Kyle Dubas, guess who will be running the organization in a few years.

 

[bodechek]

Playoff Keefe is a bust. He was not able to make adjustments when things were not going the Leafs way. Should be on a very short leash like Dubas.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

25 spots too high imo.

Weird that GM voting happens during the playoffs but not coaching. If anything coaching performance in the playoffs should have more weight.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's weird - Keefe seemed to.mix things up quite a bit during the regular season. Except maybe for MM and Jumbo.
Both he wanted to keep happy

 

[egd27]

Playoff Keefe is a bust. He was not able to make adjustments when things were not going the Leafs way. Should be on a very short leash like Dubas.

No, he should have been on a short leash after his disastrous series with CBJ. He should be gone now.

 

[fahad203]

No, he should have been on a short leash after his disastrous series with CBJ. He should be gone now.

This 1000x

He should have been fired after losing to a zamboni driver. So far Keefe has had a lot of bad memories than good ones

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

This 1000x

He should have been fired after losing to a zamboni driver. So far Keefe has had a lot of bad memories than good ones

If Keefe doesn’t do something worthy of note with the Leafs he’ll have one of the most laughable coaching careers of all time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

25 spots too high imo.

Weird that GM voting happens during the playoffs but not coaching. If anything coaching performance in the playoffs should have more weight.

Barry Trotz , 1 third place vote, didn’t see that coming.

 

[Lightsol]

Reminds me of when Ken Dryden was brought in the Brendan Shanahan president role in the late 90s, and he hired Mike Smith (skill, European focus) to GM and Pat Quinn to coach. Quinn was obviously the most veteran hockey man with GM and president experience and lo and behold, Quinn was the last man standing a few years later.

If you brought in veteran hockey men like Bruce Boudreau to 'assist' Keefe and a Jim Rutherford to 'mentor' Kyle Dubas, guess who will be running the organization in a few years.

Except that's not even close to what actually happened... Half the "four-headed monster" took off to run the Chicago Blackhawks (where they didn't have to answer to anybody), and Dryden decided he'd had enough, so all that was left was Quinn and Watters. Putting Quinn in charge was more a move of desperation than anything; they were winning, and the board didn't want to shake things up too much.

 

[supsens]

Barry Trotz , 1 third place vote, didn’t see that coming.

Shows how big of a joke these vote awards are

 

[tronoleaf]

After JT went down, why not try Matthews, Marner, and Nylander on their own separate lines for more balance?

 

[Antropovsky]

After JT went down, why not try Matthews, Marner, and Nylander on their own separate lines for more balance?

Yea let them compete against each other for who is top dog on the team. Each one of them have pretty big egos. Look at how Nylander stepped up once he lost Tavares. I think he relishes the opportunity to have "his own line".

 

[Bomber0104]

After JT went down, why not try Matthews, Marner, and Nylander on their own separate lines for more balance?

Because Keefe's aware of what defying the internet's recommended forward lines can do to a Leafs coach?

 

[Stephen]

the line matching absolutely killed us. even at home keefe couldn't get away from it. why it took keefe until the final 10 minutes of game 7 to switch up the lines is beyond me... and guess what? when Keefe did switch the lines up we looked pretty good

oh well. it is what it is. we need to take this opportunity as a lesson and learn from it.

Keefe didn't even seem like he was aware that line matching is a thing. Plays the first line like "if I play them more, as xGF/60 suggests, I'll get more goals."

 

[Stephen]

After JT went down, why not try Matthews, Marner, and Nylander on their own separate lines for more balance?

Keefe's signature coaching move is to turn the Big 4 into a Big 2 and stack the lines like the internet has dreamed of since 2017, so the idea of balance would just not compute.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Keefe didn't even seem like he was aware that line matching is a thing. Plays the first line like "if I play them more, as xGF/60 suggests, I'll get more goals."

Keefe doesn’t even realize that winning the xGF% battle against a trap team is pointless. He’s an idiot

Montreal isn’t trying to trade chances why are you using possession stats. Mind blowing

 

[Stephen]

Keefe doesn’t even realize that winning the xGF% battle against a trap team is pointless. He’s an idiot

Montreal isn’t trying to trade chances why are you using possession stats. Mind blowing

He also doesn't have a great sense of managing momentum swings. When your big line is dead in the water, the answer isn't more of the same.

The other thing that boggles the mind is how a team that comes back from two sizeable deficits can somehow look snakebit after the tying goal offensively.

 

[Stonehands1990]

He also doesn't have a great sense of managing momentum swings. When your big line is dead in the water, the answer isn't more of the same.

The other thing that boggles the mind is how a team that comes back from two sizeable deficits can somehow look snakebit after the tying goal offensively.

He’s the type of coach who isn’t bright enough to process what is happening before his eyes. He needs to look at the numbers after the fact

 

[hullsy47]

Small sample size, but so far this guy is easily the worst playoff coach I've ever seen for the Leafs.

He adjusts to nothing, fixes nothing. His team has got and held a lead only once in 6 games and if it wasn't for one of the most miraculous comebacks in history their record would be 1-5.

His presence actively hurt the team tonight by overusing Jumbo, something that was called out way before it actually cost us the GWG.

No way tge leafs could play the way Vegas or the habs are playing
Unreal

 

[Superstar]

He also doesn't have a great sense of managing momentum swings. When your big line is dead in the water, the answer isn't more of the same.

The other thing that boggles the mind is how a team that comes back from two sizeable deficits can somehow look snakebit after the tying goal offensively.

The Leafs played in the playoffs like the way they played in the regular season...you'd think in those overtime losses Keefe would have told his players to get the puck out or get the puck deep...don't mess around with it at your blueline or at the opposing blueline...instead we see that pass by Galchenyuk and the "skate the puck back into your own zone to keep possession" by Dermott...and yes, keep playing Matthews and Marner until blue in the face when it wasn't working...I'm not sure if Keefe could coach at the NHL level.