Lol..it’s not going to be one for one and if it is, Buffalo’s GM needs his head examined...We shouldn’t be giving up firsts at this point, so I’ll take my chances with Geno...
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Lol..it’s not going to be one for one and if it is, Buffalo’s GM needs his head examined...We shouldn’t be giving up firsts at this point, so I’ll take my chances with Geno...
Sure, but spending ~$8.5 million on your bottom pairing while both guys struggled mightily the year before for long stretches, and you have multiple options at 3LD who can do the job just fine for a fraction of the cost? That's a different story.
And hell, I'll take a bunch of extra cap into the season next year if we can (my estimates re: salary were on the lower side, so even with that lineup it won't be $8 million or so free realistically). I'm still dying on the hill that we have one more real good shot at a Cup before things start to get all warped by age/injury/cap stuff. Too many guys are getting up in age, and next off-season we're almost definitely losing Rust and Carter. So if you go into next season with that lineup and a bunch of cap, and something comes up mid-season for you to grab a big impact player at the deadline, you've got plenty of room to do so. Ideally it'd be a more long-term guy. /shrug
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a) Pettersson didn't struggle that much outside his return from injury, that's just something I don't see the same as you.
b) Given how topsy-turvy this sport is from season to season, particularly with young players, I'm not that bothered. If they've got talent most times you'll be rewarded if you stick the course and they do have the talent. The topsy-turvy nature also means I wouldn't want to bet too big on the idea that Pettersson or whoever replaces him won't be top 4 - one regression from Matheson, one major injury from Dumo, and you're there.
I'm also not particularly heavy on the idea of trying to get a big impact player at the deadline, I hate the prices and think the odds of them gelling in time make it a big gamble. I do like the idea of having a bunch of cap to do cool things with at the start but, well, I look at the roster you've put together, and there's not a huge need to go wild in the top 6/top 4, at which point I'm looking at getting really good players for the third pairing/third line, at which point I'm kinda back to Pettersson again anyway... who's probably not my ideal choice out of all the players in the NHL, but if he's not taken and we don't need to move him and there's no great trades, I don't see any point in doing so. I'd do it if you could guarantee signing Oleksiak in FA, but that can't be guaranteed, so...
The man with the full NMC says "Ni khrena".
Buffalo's GM probably says no almost as quickly.
Rarely comment on here but it makes no sense to ever consider us trading Geno or Sid(I know you didn’t mention him) but they’re not going anywhere until they retire.
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If ZAR wants anything more than $1.25mil, trade him.
Keep Marino. He's very capable of a bounce back year as he matures.
Trade Pettersson. I think there will be takers especially after the ED. Recoup futures.
Trade Zucker. Recoup futures. I still don't think letting him get taken in the ED is the best use of assets.
Malkin - 3yrs @$7.1mil
Letang - 3yrs @7mil (or hell, 7.25. $6mil would be better)
Resign Ceci as long as it's 2yrs or less or the AAV is what it is now.
I think Freidman is here to stay and will get every chance in the world for the #6 slot. I do fear they will give him the nod over POJ/Riiko/Ruddy rightfully or wrongfully but whatever.
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Freidman-Marino/POJ,Rud,Riiko
Keep Marino. He's very capable of a bounce back year as he matures.
Trade Pettersson. I think there will be takers especially after the ED. Recoup futures.
Trade Zucker. Recoup futures. I still don't think letting him get taken in the ED is the best use of assets.
Malkin - 3yrs @$7.1mil
Letang - 3yrs @7mil (or hell, 7.25. $6mil would be better)
Resign Ceci as long as it's 2yrs or less or the AAV is what it is now.
I think Freidman is here to stay and will get every chance in the world for the #6 slot. I do fear they will give him the nod over POJ/Riiko/Ruddy rightfully or wrongfully but whatever.
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Freidman-Marino/POJ,Rud,Riiko
That's probably no ZAR and no Ceci then, and there might be another player outside of that four taken by Seattle. How much turnover do we want here?
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By trading Rust for a 1st and Kaut.
Also, I'm not sure Kapanen and McCann will get 5 million.
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CapFriendly has the Pens under the cap by $256.6k.
Puckpedia has the Pens over the cap by $944.6k.
And I have the Pens under the cap by $55.3k.
I wonder who is closest to being right. Anyone know of other cap tracking sites?
Puckpedia has the Pens over the cap by $944.6k.
And I have the Pens under the cap by $55.3k.
I wonder who is closest to being right. Anyone know of other cap tracking sites?
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Also if you're moving Zucker and Petts and cutting the combined cap hit for Malkin and Letang by 2.5M, there's 12M in extra space to work with, no?
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There aren't many players I'd hang onto if someone's willing to overpay for them.
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If I am trading Petts for signing Ceci not dollar for dollar but shorter term and say 3 million, I am fine with that. Petts has three players who can replace him to a degree with POJ the LD who makes the most sense. I keep Rust next year and use that money to extend Kap when Rust is a FA. I am projecting Poulin at center in two years as well as Legare at RW. DOC will be a top 9 LW as he adds size and matures as well. Tanev I lose in the ED and Zucker will be hard to move for a like and kind deal but any cap room helps.
As to Letang who know what his condition will be after next year and even if he wants to keep playing. But Pens have to get a decent RD if Ceci and Marino are here. Malkin I just am hesitant to offer anything as his injuries and missing time will be hard to justify with another larger AAV with term. Pens this year and maybe next year with some smart moves can still be a contender but after that, adding to the core of Jake, McCann, Kap, Marino, POJ, Jarry, maybe Legare and Poulin and one of the D men in WB with Ceci who is still in his prime years along with Matheson is not a bad start.
As to Letang who know what his condition will be after next year and even if he wants to keep playing. But Pens have to get a decent RD if Ceci and Marino are here. Malkin I just am hesitant to offer anything as his injuries and missing time will be hard to justify with another larger AAV with term. Pens this year and maybe next year with some smart moves can still be a contender but after that, adding to the core of Jake, McCann, Kap, Marino, POJ, Jarry, maybe Legare and Poulin and one of the D men in WB with Ceci who is still in his prime years along with Matheson is not a bad start.
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Not sure if my earlier comment got overlooked, but Zucker won't be in his final year until '22-'23.
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Jeez, I think Buffalo is going to get absolutely reamed in a trade with Eichel. They're going to want to (understandably) ship him west, and that will narrow the potential teams to a handful. And of those teams, that are "ready" to compete with a star 24 year old, most of them just dont have the assets or motivation to bag him.
The sad thing is despite being linked to NYR alot, and Buffalo wanting to avoid the PR disaster of trading him there, it might actually be the best result. If the Rangers actually pony up and blow Buffalo away (something like Laf, KAndre Miller, +picks) it would obviously sting, but could be a real win win. Sabres get a better return, Rangers get a piece that puts them in cup contention tomorrow.
I'm hoping Seattle somehow arranges a deal, trades back some drafted pieces for futures, and lands him by some miracle. Talk about a franchise opening with a bang.
Maaan, I thought when you posted this in the Eichel thread on the trade board you were just trolling. Cmon now...
The sad thing is despite being linked to NYR alot, and Buffalo wanting to avoid the PR disaster of trading him there, it might actually be the best result. If the Rangers actually pony up and blow Buffalo away (something like Laf, KAndre Miller, +picks) it would obviously sting, but could be a real win win. Sabres get a better return, Rangers get a piece that puts them in cup contention tomorrow.
I'm hoping Seattle somehow arranges a deal, trades back some drafted pieces for futures, and lands him by some miracle. Talk about a franchise opening with a bang.
Maaan, I thought when you posted this in the Eichel thread on the trade board you were just trolling. Cmon now...
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I could see LA making a big push for Eichel. Turcotte + would be a nice package tbh.
Letang if he is gone after next year due to the Habs wanting him or just the Pens under Hextall are now in a quasi rebuild mode pays for Marino. Look at the landscape of Pens rivals and Isles are one star player team and Lee who may not be the player he was. Rangers are building talent but who knows what they will be eventually. Philly has to many older parts to replace. Caps are close to keeping the gang together as they have to which is a bad move. Carolina is the hands down team to beat even if Hamilton bolts. NJ has some nice parts but are not close to a contender. Pens are not going to full rebuild and has a nice core to add to in FA or trades.
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That would make sense. LA is still on the hook for 21 million on Kopitar and Doughty, and that money clearly aint going anywhere. They might as well attempt to vault themselves back into contention now rather than wait on Turcotte to develop. And they cant throw in a shed load of picks the next two years.
At the same time, they're at 61 million next year, even with alot of buyout money coming off the books. They'd probably have to add a sweetner and fob off Quick or Brown stat to make sure they have space add 10m and take care of their RFAs. But I guess if you're landing someone like Eichel, those deals are small potatoes if you can get the big deal over the line.
Either way, I hope that's the template for how it goes down: Buffalo moves the 24-going-on-25 y.o. star, and gets back a blue chipper from the last few drafts. Add a player like Turcotte to Cozens, Middlestadt and Dahlin, you get a core with a cohesive age group that can maybe turn the page on this failed rebuild in Buffalo. I just feel bad for Sabres fans at this point. Their anointed savior wants out, and honestly I dont blame him.
LA's been the one mentioned most out west and I think it makes a fair deal of sense. I could possibly see them not going as high as other bids due to having a lot of high end C prospects, and maybe thinking they're a better bet than going top heavy.
I think there's a few other teams that'd make sense depending on how ready to go for it they feel - I think Ottawa could be surprisingly aggressive there, I think they've hit the stage of their rebuild where a star 1C would make a huge difference if actually willing to spend to the cap - but I look at Minnesota as a team that looks ready to contend other than their 1C. Not great assets there mind.
I mean, the moment you're trading a guy like Eichel you're losing the trade and starting the rebuild, but I think there's enough teams looking for a 1C they'll get an okay boost. I mean, it's not like there's many other actual 1Cs out there to get, is there?
Big question for me is whether they give it one last shot at making it work, or blow it up now - bye Eichel, bye Risto, bye Reinhart. The next two years do look pretty good years to try a tank...
I think there's a few other teams that'd make sense depending on how ready to go for it they feel - I think Ottawa could be surprisingly aggressive there, I think they've hit the stage of their rebuild where a star 1C would make a huge difference if actually willing to spend to the cap - but I look at Minnesota as a team that looks ready to contend other than their 1C. Not great assets there mind.
I mean, the moment you're trading a guy like Eichel you're losing the trade and starting the rebuild, but I think there's enough teams looking for a 1C they'll get an okay boost. I mean, it's not like there's many other actual 1Cs out there to get, is there?
Big question for me is whether they give it one last shot at making it work, or blow it up now - bye Eichel, bye Risto, bye Reinhart. The next two years do look pretty good years to try a tank...
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That would be 2 million in raises for both of them not crazy to think they would get. Especially if Mccan whose already displaced Zucker on the 2nd line and gets good power play time next season
Burakovsky got a 4.9m two year bridge straight to FA for a 63 point pace season, and Strome 4.5m x 2 for a 69 point pace (nice) - first time anywhere near it for either. Labanc did a Pettersson, and got 4.725m x 4 (a year late) for a 56 point season. Kapanen and McCann are both pacing for 61 points this season. I think that if they're in that neighbourhood again next year then, depending on negotiations and term, a little under 5m seems pretty likely.
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Then it's 8M towards raises for retained players. Point being, if the Pens can shed Zucker and Parts, then they're not in the dire position short or intermediate term that some people may think . . . and long term takes care of itself, I think, once the cap finally starts rising again.
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