Tetragrammaton
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He played on shit offensive teams. Imagine he was with the Pens all these years..
Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023
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I feel the most important thing is that Petry was worth close to nothing FOR US... While I agree he is still worth his contract and will be very helpful elsewhere he was problematic to keep around for many reasons.
Doesn't fit the vision and timing.
Family stuff.
Attitude was a problem and bad example for the kids.
Takes 20min a night that we can't give to youngsters (split).
Somewhat efficient and wouldn't help the tank.
Limits jersey sales (no one is buying Petry jerseys)
Doesn't fit the vision and timing.
Family stuff.
Attitude was a problem and bad example for the kids.
Takes 20min a night that we can't give to youngsters (split).
Somewhat efficient and wouldn't help the tank.
Limits jersey sales (no one is buying Petry jerseys)
Redux91
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Pens are in for a RUDE awakening bud,
People think petry has a great first pass which he doesnt (the fact he and Chiarot couldnt make a good first pass is a HUGE reason for our transition woes last year)
People (especially other teams fans) think he's this GREAT PP guy,.. which he isn't, awful pass decisions, even worse shot selections, to the point CHRIS WIDEMAN ended up being a BETTER option, which should tell people a LOT
And lastly.. his play in his own zone..... L M A O.
I didnt call him BONEHEAD Petry for nothing, he is one of the worst D behind the net I've ever seen , his mistakes back there continually lead to goals against
Positives? Hes been an ok skater and was always surprisingly up there in hits
But he's turning 35 and we're rebuilding ,
I would of traded Petry over 2 years ago personally.
Tetragrammaton
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He’s been an ok skater? Now you lose almost all credibility. Petry is a beautiful skater, a real treat to watch him skate.
You rightly cite his flaws, but Petry is better than just an ok skater, and he can easily carry the puck with the best of them so far. Will he slow down as he heads toward 37 years old? Probably. I'm happy with the trade. I did not want to just give him away for nothing, and we didn't. We got a good number 3-4D back at a good age and manageable salary.
Whitesnake
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Hughes not wanting retention doesn't mean it was the right think to not want retention. Besides, the whole concept of not wanting retention is actually to be able to use that money for better usage based on our current situation. I have no idea what Matheson can do for a team that is not on the verge of being good. We actually might be close to be good when his contract ends.
Idea of good cap usage is what the Canes did with Teravainen. Of what it made them to to get Pacioretty.
Not to do a hockey trade as if Matheson was somewhat valuable to a team pencilled to finish bottom 5 this year and maybe not even make the playoffs in the next 2-3 years...
Redux91
I do Three bullets.
Reading you spew enough uninformed garbage and panick for 67 pages was plenty thanks
Yes he was a great skater, now what good is that for me when it's all he can do at 35, and even that is going to "go" soon
The only thing that truly bums me about the trade is Matheson actually helps us next year whereas Petry would of helped us STINK for a better pick next year lmao
But if we didnt trade Petry ASAP we risked having him be impossible to move very soon and be stuck, AND on a + side our current right side D just might be bad enough to puck top 5 next year anyway lol
I can see you didn't spend much time actually READING, never mind comprehending the two previous posts I made regarding Matheson and Petry.
Because I CLEARLY wrote that I don't think Matheson is a better player TODAY...what I wrote, and I thought I was pretty clear, was that when they were the same age, they had gone through similar career paths.
The hope here is obviously that Matheson, like Petry before him, has finally started to put things together like Jeff Petry did when HE turned 28.
Here...i'll even quote and for your benefit even bold the specific part of my post that you clearly glossed over.
"For the record, i'm not even suggesting that Matheson turns out as good as Jeff Petry has become. I was just responding to your ridiculous take that Matheson could never be as good as Jeff Petry, considering, he's probably better TODAY...than what Jeff Petry was when the Habs aquired him at the same age."
Hold that second L...
Pretty sure the Habs plan on being good before Matheson contracts expires.
le_sean
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We were a dumpster fire in large part because Petry was the worst defenceman in the NHL last year. I’ve never seen someone so unmotivated and sulky. It was embarrassing to watch.
I also think there is still hope for Poehling. However, he may not make the team and he'd either be the 13th forward not developing so condemned to fringe status, or we lose him on waiver. So instead we sent him to Pittsburgh to convince them to make Petry, who has Matheson-like stats (for the last year) the second highest paid player on their team. (He is making more than Letang and Geno!) A straight swap wasn't going to work because he's a risk (old, big money, bad recent season) and we needed him gone so losing a guy we were likely to lose anyway on waivers doesn't seem like a big deal.
Whitesnake
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No idea how that will happen when to this day, we still have no idea how the goalie situation will be at. No idea also when we actually have no idea how the core of our D will respond and based on how those D like Guhle, Barron and Co should be better as soon as they reach 23-24 years old. Rarely if not even will you see a great team with your core players all being from 18 to 23.
The ONLY thing you can wish from bringing a guy like Matheson is that he's good enough a teacher for the kids.
So it might be their idea. But there's absolutely nothing that suggest that it will.
Yup. No matter how bad people think this D corps is, NO D corps will ever surpass the 17-18' sewage shyte Bergevin-assembled group of defensemen.
Schlemdog, who was high half of the time, or missing in action because he was high. The only memory I have of him is the pic of his face during an interview, completely spaced the f*** out. Some posters must still have this relic saved somewhere.
Whitesnake
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Some players are shepherds. Some are sheeps. Petry is a sheep. He will be better in Pittsburgh.
admiralcadillac
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Matheson is signed until the conclusion of the 2025-26.
I seriously doubt that the Habs are planning to suck until then. You'd have to be completely inept as a GM to suck for that long.
He wouldn't survive being bad until 2026-27.
I think it's clear from how Hughes has moved so far, that hanging around the basement of the NHL for a few years is not an option, which I agree with.
Yes, they're in a rebuild, but they'll try to capitalize on every opportunity to accelerate that process all while creating financial flexibility, which will come naturally from expiring contracts.
Mikah
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Pretty much this. I think we all agree that at this point, Poehling will always be a fringe NHL player, who will be going back and forth between the AHL and the NHL. The problem is that he was now waiver eligible this year, and is thus stuck at 13th forward. They could no longer send him in Laval without another team likely taking him.
These players are a dime a dozen, and we saw that guys like Evans, Pitlick or even Pezzetta were actually bringing more to the table then him.
The only reason we talk about him is because he was picked in the first round. No one would even mention his name if he had been a 4th round pick.
The frustration is more about another wasted first round pick, then it is about loosing today's Poehling.
Spearmint Rhino
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Hughes was on record many times about wanting a veteran D if Petry moved, everyone assumed that was Letang til he resigned in Pittsburgh. Nothing left on the market so he adapted and went with a solid plan B. Guess he could of sat back and just complained trades are hard and nobody wants to come to Montreal.
BigDaddyLurch
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...and Subban was the better of the two for the first half of that trade; it was Weber coming on near his end that made it a wash at best...Suzuki (and Tatar) FELL into his lap; he wanted Glass and Vegas said no and offered Suzy & Tatar (as a cap dump) instead...Bargain Bin was a horrid, horrid GM...period...
Wouldn't saving cap space to resign Pitlick be "better usage"? Besides, if Matheson works out, then great. If he doesn't, then like I said, who cares? The team is rebuilding. Matheson will be easier to move than Petry in 2 years.
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BigDaddyLurch
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...even blind squirrels find nuts once in a while...the Sun shines on a dog's arse once in a while...should I keep going with the ancient old guy sayings??...
26Mats
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I think plan A was to get good futures for Petry and then sign a veteran for free either of Matheson's caliber or more probably lower quality. But the market just wasn't there.
So we didn't get the futures, but hopefully we got a higher quality dman that can potentially be flipped for good futures if 3 of Guhle, Harris, Xhekaj, Norlinder, Hutson, Engstrom, Fairbrother, etc... pan out on the left side.
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As a side note - it wasn’t only a Julie Petry issue it seems:
- Romanov’s wife (Sofia Krasovskaya) left Quebec shortly after Xmas for Florida, didn’t want the hassle associated w mandates & never returned
- Poehling’s girlfriend (Jae Borgen) also headed back home to North Dakota same timeframe for same issues
- Xavier Ouellet’s wife (Liz Ann) headed back home to Michigan for same reasons including scathing instagram post on Canadian mandates
All 3-players have moved on from Habs org to US locales…
- Romanov’s wife (Sofia Krasovskaya) left Quebec shortly after Xmas for Florida, didn’t want the hassle associated w mandates & never returned
- Poehling’s girlfriend (Jae Borgen) also headed back home to North Dakota same timeframe for same issues
- Xavier Ouellet’s wife (Liz Ann) headed back home to Michigan for same reasons including scathing instagram post on Canadian mandates
All 3-players have moved on from Habs org to US locales…
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