Okay, I missed that. friend of mine said he heard his wife wont step foot in Canada now because of he violations on her freedom due to the Covid restrictions.
Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023
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I think we did pay another pick; wasn't the deal a 6th round pick that would turn into a second if Sergachev didn't play more than 40 games that season? But yeah, a 6th is basically nothing, and a second could be Lehkonen.
I was more just being facetious. I basically meant to say perhaps she did drop an ultimatum down... we'll never really know but I ended things by saying I didn't think it was likely.
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It’s not what insiders have led us to believe. We were told he was worth a mid to late first rounder at least plus a prospect. I don’t know enough about how much Matheson’s game may have evolved.
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Well, all we can do now is get behind Mike and hope for the best.
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It is possible, as weird as this sounds, that no team lost or got fleeced. I know, wild! But one team gets what they want, another team gets what they want, and they go their seperate ways. Not every trade needs to be a subjective W. This trade is an example of that, which is why I don't really think it's a big deal
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People who cross the border regularly have a better sense of the complications. If she crosses with her kids, she can get selected for random testing at the airport and have to isolate for 5 days (AWAY from her kids, while her husband is not available to look after them) even though she is vaccinated and has a negative COVID test and us just WAITING for the random test to be processed.
This literally happened to my daughter. With double-vaccination and a negative PCR test from THE DAY of the flight to Montreal, she was selected for random COVID testing, told she had to self-isolate away from everyone till the results came back despite having the negative test result in hand, and she did not get the government's negative test result till the end of her 5 day visit, when she was due to fly back to the US. She did not have kids that she would have had to find a sudden babysitter for, and then fly home without even seeing her husband. If Petry's wife's mother or mother-in-law has flown up to help her out, and then landed in 5 day self-isolation despite having a negative test, and being unable to help, a reasonable person would be pretty frustrated.
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I would think it was Hughes clearing the forward slot up and the Penguins willing to take the shot.
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I was hoping we would've cleared more cap space in a Petry deal, but I am happy with the trade for the following reasons.
- We got younger and added a guy who can eat up ice time
- We added a guy who wants to be here and will help in the locker room, compared to a guy who didn't want to be here last year and it was noticeable in his play
- We were able to bring back Pitlick who is an upgrade over RP
- Most importantly, HuGo have a vision which includes having a team with size, skill and guys who can skate. They are bringing in guys who fit that vision and who can work with our coach.. unlike our prior management who would just bring in a bunch of players with zero vision and zero compatibility with our coaching staff.
- We got younger and added a guy who can eat up ice time
- We added a guy who wants to be here and will help in the locker room, compared to a guy who didn't want to be here last year and it was noticeable in his play
- We were able to bring back Pitlick who is an upgrade over RP
- Most importantly, HuGo have a vision which includes having a team with size, skill and guys who can skate. They are bringing in guys who fit that vision and who can work with our coach.. unlike our prior management who would just bring in a bunch of players with zero vision and zero compatibility with our coaching staff.
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Of course, everything is about cap space. BUT...
For me, trading Romanov for basically Dach was a huge mistake. At worst, Habs could had gotten a spare centerman to play on the 3rd or 4th line on the UFA market or thru a minor trade.
Petry had to go. They added Poehling. The return would had be more fair if it would had been Matheson + a 2nd round pick.
For me, trading Romanov for basically Dach was a huge mistake. At worst, Habs could had gotten a spare centerman to play on the 3rd or 4th line on the UFA market or thru a minor trade.
Petry had to go. They added Poehling. The return would had be more fair if it would had been Matheson + a 2nd round pick.
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I think Pittsburgh got the best out of this trade as I think Petry can still fit in nicely as a decent 2nd pairing D for a team that has 2-3 years left in their window to contend and Poehling probably has some value to them as a bottom 6 forward who can still improve.
So while the return is far from equal, the Habs had to get rid of Petry. He and his wife gave up on Montreal, and there is no way Habs management would want him being around endangering an atmosphere that management wants where their young players can develop and the team can enjoy playing even though they are going to be one of the worst teams in the league for at least one more year.
Teams rarely get equal return when forced into trades by a disgruntled player, and it also clear from a couple other recent trades (eg- Pacioretty) that current cap situations make it very difficult to get anything close to equal player value when getting rid of expensive contracts that still have a lot of term.
So, I suspect Hughes got the best he could given the circumstances. Looking at the positive side, the Habs dressing room will be better off in a losing season with local boy Matheson instead of Petry and Poehling.
So while the return is far from equal, the Habs had to get rid of Petry. He and his wife gave up on Montreal, and there is no way Habs management would want him being around endangering an atmosphere that management wants where their young players can develop and the team can enjoy playing even though they are going to be one of the worst teams in the league for at least one more year.
Teams rarely get equal return when forced into trades by a disgruntled player, and it also clear from a couple other recent trades (eg- Pacioretty) that current cap situations make it very difficult to get anything close to equal player value when getting rid of expensive contracts that still have a lot of term.
So, I suspect Hughes got the best he could given the circumstances. Looking at the positive side, the Habs dressing room will be better off in a losing season with local boy Matheson instead of Petry and Poehling.
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I agree with everything except the 3 bolded cause it's only true if take the worst year of Petry and the best one of Matheson.
All I'm saying, it's not the reliefs I expected
Oddly enough...when Jeff Petry was the same age as Matheson (28), their careers up to that point looked awfully similar to what Matheson looks like now.
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Hughes didn't want retention. I think you expected way too big of a return for Petry.
I wonder if you're the same poster who said a month or 2 ago about Poehling playing on the top line? Going from in and out of the lineup playing on the 4th line, to the top line this year? You really love him, don't you? Poehling doesn't have the talent nor does he do anything particularly well.
I think we can trust that these guys will clean up the mess MB made.
As for the bolded, I only believe in it because Matheson is entering his prime while Petry is entering his down years. I see them maybe having similar numbers next year but I can envision Matheson surpassing him after, especially as we see the Habs on the rise and I can see the Pens starting to decline after next year!
I was a Petry fan, still am actually, happy for him and his family
I mean...
Both played USHL, both then moved on to NCAA, both then played 50 odd AHL games.
In the season prior to Jeff Petry playing as a 28 year old.
365 games 97pts
Mike Matheson (not including the year that just passed)
343 games 107pts
So yeah...
For the record, i'm not even suggesting that Matheson turns out as good as Jeff Petry has become. I was just responding to your ridiculous take that Matheson could never be as good as Jeff Petry, considering, he's probably better TODAY...than what Jeff Petry was when the Habs aquired him at the same age.
Hold that L...
Poehling was outplayed by Evans and Pitlick.
Pezzetta can play his role just as good if not better then Ryan, we have Dach, Dvorak also at C
no more room for Poehling, was a fan, wish him luck
That's a lot of evidence lol
Case closed
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Not the best trade ever - clearly we were not coming on top in this one - but I'm happy that Petry has moved on to a different team. Family concerns or not, he should never have given up on his team and teamates and regretfully this has tainted his tenure with us - at least in my eyes and I'm sure in the eyes of many fans.
Clearly, moving him without retention required not only to take back a "meh" contract (Matheson) but also adding a little sweetner/reclamation project (Poehling).
At the end of the day, we're in the early stage of the rebuild so it won't change much on that front. Matheson will not make us a better team on the ice but with the young guys coming up, I'm happy that we've brought in a local player who's happy being here and who will be a positive contributor to the team culture the team seems to be trying to establish.
Clearly, moving him without retention required not only to take back a "meh" contract (Matheson) but also adding a little sweetner/reclamation project (Poehling).
At the end of the day, we're in the early stage of the rebuild so it won't change much on that front. Matheson will not make us a better team on the ice but with the young guys coming up, I'm happy that we've brought in a local player who's happy being here and who will be a positive contributor to the team culture the team seems to be trying to establish.
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What you want and what management wants might be completely different. What they wanted was a vet D and a bit of cap clearance, and in the process shipping out 2 unhappy campers with low trade value
I kind of wish we got to see a bit more of Poehling ngl.
I find he never really got an opportunity beyond playing limited 4th line minutes with fringe NHLers. I thought all in all, he was one of the few players who actually showed progression throughout the season (from training camp to end of season).
I don't think he'll ever be more than a bottom 6 forward, but I was kind of looking forward to him competing for one of the wing spots.
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