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Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

Kimota said:
Weber made much more of a difference on his team than Subban on his. Subban never was better than the third best D in Nashville. And that's because he had already decline before leaving Montreal. He was not the player he used to be. Also Weber made more of a difference in our Stanley Cup run last year than Subban was when Nashville went there. Weber bascially WAS the Habs(he and Price).
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It's ok to say that Nashville and Montreal got similar value out of Subban and Weber. You don't need to spin like a glass bottle surrounded by horny 12 year olds.
 
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Kimota said:
Weber made much more of a difference on his team than Subban on his. Subban never was better than the third best D in Nashville. And that's because he had already decline before leaving Montreal. He was not the player he used to be. Also Weber made more of a difference in our Stanley Cup run last year than Subban was when Nashville went there. Weber bascially WAS the Habs(he and Price).

As far as Suzuki, most of the time as GM, it's about luck. Look at the Nords in the Lindros sweepstakes they really wanted the trade with the Rangers more and the judge ruled in favor of the Flyers and the Nords basically got a king's ransom with Forsberg, etc....They were lucky but they still had picked all the players in the Flyers trade. Bergevin picked Suzuki even though he wasn't his first choice.

As far as MB being a "horrid GM" that's a childish discarding analysis. He was a good GM in my opinion. I say this all the time but to me he was the plummer of GM. It felt like he was good at patching and solving problems but he never had a real plan.
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Subban was a potential Conn Smythe winner if Nashville won the 2017 cup and was literally a Norris finalist in 2018, what on earth are you talking about?
 
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Captain Mountain said:
Subban was a potential Conn Smythe winner if Nashville won the 2017 cup and was literally a Norris finalist in 2018, what on earth are you talking about?
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Subban played better hockey IQ in Nashville. There wasn't "I'm gonna run the show by myself and wow look at me". PK in Nashville played a conventional game, not exceeding his limits. PK was disciplined in Nashville, fitting in the system, something he rarelly did in Montreal.
 
Catanddogguitarrr said:
Subban played better hockey IQ in Nashville. There wasn't "I'm gonna run the show by myself and wow look at me". PK in Nashville played a conventional game, not exceeding his limits. PK was disciplined in Nashville, fitting in the system, something he rarelly did in Montreal.
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He was mostly the same as he was in Montreal, he just had better support. Subban's game only started falling off when his back injuries wore him down to the point that it affected his mobility.

Kimota said:
Doesn't mean I agree with it. I remember going around the Nashville boards at the time and they never think he was their best D either.
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Cool. People have different opinions. But both the accolades and analytics backed it up.
 
Kimota said:
Doesn't mean I agree with it. I remember going around the Nashville boards at the time and they never think he was their best D either.
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I went to their boards often in that playoff run and many thought he was their best player, while others thought it was Rinne. Those names were the most often repeated. FFS Subban got the only Smythe vote on his team, so even some of those who voted for the trophy thought the same.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
Subban was a potential Conn Smythe winner if Nashville won the 2017 cup and was literally a Norris finalist in 2018, what on earth are you talking about?
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Subban played better hockey IQ in Nashville. There wasn't "I'm gonna run the show by myself and wow look at me". PK in Nashville played a conventional game, not exceeding his limits. PK was disciplined in Nashville, fitting in the system, something he rarelly did in Montreal.
Ozymandias said:
I went to their boards often in that playoff run and many thought he was their best player, while others thought it was Rinne. Those names were the most often repeated. FFS Subban got the only Smythe vote on his team, so even some of those who voted for the trophy thought the same.
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I wonder who was the best Subban. The Montreal one early in his carreer when he won the Norris.
Or the Nashville one when they had their SC run.
I prefer the early Hab one because he didn't bulked up some extra muscles and he was lighter and so much faster.
But that's my opinion.
 
salbutera said:
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Petry, Romanov, Ouellet, Poehling et Dea : des départs «politiques»

Ceux-ci (et/ou leur conjointe) ont tous critiqué ou posé des actions contre le Canada et ses mesures en lien avec la COVID-19.
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Very interesting article on perhaps political trades? I hope it's not true in the case of Phoeling and Dea. The fact that Ryan was traded sort of feel like a throwaway as well. And Dea he basically said he would bust his ass for the Habs so they then turn around and not sign him cause of that would be a bad look. Esp. on the year they didn't draft a lot of QC dudes(which I actually don't mind cause it was a weak draft for them).
 
Kimota said:
Very interesting article on perhaps political trades? I hope it's not true in the case of Phoeling and Dea. The fact that Ryan was traded sort of feel like a throwaway as well. And Dea he basically said he would bust his ass for the Habs so they then turn around and not sign him cause of that would be a bad look. Esp. on the year they didn't draft a lot of QC dudes(which I actually don't mind cause it was a weak draft for them).
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I wonder how much is true or how much is fake news with that. Interresting ...
 
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Ozymandias said:
I went to their boards often in that playoff run and many thought he was their best player, while others thought it was Rinne. Those names were the most often repeated. FFS Subban got the only Smythe vote on his team, so even some of those who voted for the trophy thought the same.
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I was talking about more PK during the season and what they were saying about him but OK.
 
Kimota said:
Very interesting article on perhaps political trades? I hope it's not true in the case of Phoeling and Dea. The fact that Ryan was traded sort of feel like a throwaway as well. And Dea he basically said he would bust his ass for the Habs so they then turn around and not sign him cause of that would be a bad look. Esp. on the year they didn't draft a lot of QC dudes(which I actually don't mind cause it was a weak draft for them).
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This article doesn't make sense. The only one traded for "family" reasons was Petry. That's it. Some of the other guys just wish to have time at NHL level at some point. A for Romanov, we will see soon if the rumour that a KHL team offered him a deal that he can't refuse, is for real or not.
 
The Pens got Petry on reputation alone, they obviously didn't see him play last year. They might be in for byers remorse. I suppose he could go back to being A decent D_man, but I'm not convinced. It was a great deal for us.
 
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Ozymandias said:
No, you were responding to someone who specifically mentioned that playoff run and the following year when he was nominated for the Norris.

You said you were there in that time.

Either you're lying or mistaking it for 2017 before the playoffs.
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Alright I'll give you my take once and for all that what I believed at the time and the vibe I got from the Nashville fans that Subban was always third on the totem pole of their best D.

As far as the playoffs, he was great. But what I said and I meant it is that Weber was more important in our Cup run than Subban was in their cup run. Because they were more deep as a team than we were.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...and your Generation should stop being so baby-shyte soft...to each their own, I suppose...:laugh:
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Yea but it's not the case in THIS discussion. ;)

Bro, you sound like someone I would like to take a drink with. It's all cool.

Spring in Fialta said:
You don't need to be a PK superfan to realize your posts regarding the Subban-Weber trade are ridiculous.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
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Kimota said:
Yea but it's not the case in THIS discussion. ;)

Bro, you sound like someone I would like to take a drink with. It's all cool.
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...while I can't drink anymore, I'd have a coffee and shoot the shyte with ya anytime, amigo...we may disagree on certain subjects, but I don't take anything personally, especially here...most of the people here seem like cool shytes I would have had a beer or 20 with in me younger days...now it's coffee for me...:thumbu:
 
Kimota said:
Alright I'll give you my take once and for all that what I believed at the time and the vibe I got from the Nashville fans that Subban was always third on the totem pole of their best D.

As far as the playoffs, he was great. But what I said and I meant it is that Weber was more important in our Cup run than Subban was in their cup run. Because they were more deep as a team than we were.
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Yeah, your spin doesn't work. Subban was Nashville's best player in their playoffs, whereas most will agree Price was the Habs best player, not Weber, even though Weber was really good. Also, Subban produced a lot more in his own run, so he wasn't just the main shutdown pairing with Ekholm, he produced offense whereas Weber's contribution to the run was mostly defensive.
 
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I just read a article from Josh Yohe, who is the senior writer for The Athletic for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and he had this to say about Petry.

"Petry, along with his considerable talent, is a big and fairly nasty defenseman. So, he made sense. The Penguins have targeted him all offseason and finally got their man."

So when did Petry suddenly become a "fair nasty defenseman"? :dunno:

Even though I'm not a subscriber I can still for some reason read the Athletic article below where I just read this.

theathletic.com

Yohe: Unfolding Ron Hextall's plan, reshaped Penguins

The Penguins made a couple of big moves, but they'd better find the fountain of youth between now and next June.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 
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sheed36 said:
I just read a article from Josh Yohe, who is the senior writer for The Athletic for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and he had this to say about Petry.

"Petry, along with his considerable talent, is a big and fairly nasty defenseman. So, he made sense. The Penguins have targeted him all offseason and finally got their man."

So when did Petry suddenly become a "fair nasty defenseman"? :dunno:

Even though I'm not a subscriber I can still for some reason read the Athletic article below where I just read this.

theathletic.com

Yohe: Unfolding Ron Hextall's plan, reshaped Penguins

The Penguins made a couple of big moves, but they'd better find the fountain of youth between now and next June.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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And that's why I don't subscribe, lol. So many clueless takes that I could just read on these forums.
 
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salbutera said:
As a side note - it wasn’t only a Julie Petry issue it seems:

- Romanov’s wife (Sofia Krasovskaya) left Quebec shortly after Xmas for Florida, didn’t want the hassle associated w mandates & never returned

- Poehling’s girlfriend (Jae Borgen) also headed back home to North Dakota same timeframe for same issues

- Xavier Ouellet’s wife (Liz Ann) headed back home to Michigan for same reasons including scathing instagram post on Canadian mandates

All 3-players have moved on from Habs org to US locales…
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3 smart chicks.
 
Kimota said:
Doesn't mean I agree with it. I remember going around the Nashville boards at the time and they never think he was their best D either.
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Bullshit, there were a few that picked Josi, even less that picked Ekholm and even less who picked Ellis, but the truth is, PK was considered their best D by the majority of preds fans. They had a stacked D, so logically some would see it differently. The voters agreed with the pro PK side.
 
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