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Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

Runner77 said:
Still seeing some Habs fans on twitter claiming that Hughes “lost” the Petry deal.

I have to believe that it has to do with how they view Matheson and how much they know about him. I’ve even seen some say that Matheson’s season last year was an anomaly.

Maybe too many of them bought into the rosy returns peddled by pundits in the last 6 months.
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Matheson is a pretty rosy return.

Beats what Brent Burns and Max Pacioretty fetched.
 
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Matheson is going to be the same mould as Kulak and Petry, and in terms of effectiveness, he will also be somewhere between Kulak and Petry. I'm just not sure where exactly he will end up lying between them.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...while I can't drink anymore, I'd have a coffee and shoot the shyte with ya anytime, amigo...we may disagree on certain subjects, but I don't take anything personally, especially here...most of the people here seem like cool shytes I would have had a beer or 20 with in me younger days...now it's coffee for me...:thumbu:
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We would laugh about how Bergevin is shit. 😁

BehindTheTimes said:
Except Nashville with Weber never, ever, even had a cup run. Subban was the difference when they had their run. No Subban, no cup run for Nashville like every other year without him.
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I have seen many playoffs where Weber was their best player and he was the reason they went far(along with Rinne of course). But you are right about Subban in a sense that maybe with Weber they would not have gone to the cup. But it may just be a chemistry thing and that Nash needed a more offensive D at this point in time.. It was time for Weber to go. Like it was time for PK to move on from the Habs.
 
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Ozymandias said:
Yeah, your spin doesn't work. Subban was Nashville's best player in their playoffs, whereas most will agree Price was the Habs best player, not Weber, even though Weber was really good. Also, Subban produced a lot more in his own run, so he wasn't just the main shutdown pairing with Ekholm, he produced offense whereas Weber's contribution to the run was mostly defensive.
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Again it's more like you spin your own stories of what I thought in my head at the time. You're not a telepath. I thought what I thought at the time and I believed it. And yes Price was our best player. And defensive play was the big reason we went to the cup. So the fact that PK produced more than Weber in their own playoffs don't mean anything.
 
jrom said:
I’m curious if all the young players that got a Bergevin imposed roster # may seize the chance to change it.

Doubt Caufield changes his, Farrell also used #26. Maybe Xhekaj grabs #8.
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Caufield for 26 was an MSL connection thing. But I could see him change to 13 or 8 aswell.
 
JianYang said:
Matheson is going to be the same mould as Kulak and Petry, and in terms of effectiveness, he will also be somewhere between Kulak and Petry. I'm just not sure where exactly he will end up lying between them.
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Matheson easily becomes our most mobile defenceman. A hugely underestimated player and a player I had long hoped that we could acquire. This will go down quietly as one of the better trades the team engineered over the recent past. Excellent asset management from a management team that continues to display a level of subtlety not seen here since the Carter administration.
 
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Petry will bounce back in Pittsburgh. Getting to play with the quality of players he will, I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a 40+ point season the way he had for 4 seasons before last year.

Matheson will be good for the Habs. He won't be as bad as some think he will. In 2015, Habs got Petry at the same age as Matheson is now and had about the same amount of seasons under their belts, but Matheson has had more success offensively so far than Petry did when he was acquired from Edmonton.
 
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Runner77 said:
Still seeing some Habs fans on twitter claiming that Hughes “lost” the Petry deal.

I have to believe that it has to do with how they view Matheson and how much they know about him. I’ve even seen some say that Matheson’s season last year was an anomaly.

Maybe too many of them bought into the rosy returns peddled by pundits in the last 6 months.
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Agree. Petry didn't help to raise his value with his unmotivated play. Hope for the Pens that he fits their system cause if not, he's not useful at all. They are taking a risk on a 34 d who's now their highest paid defenseman and didn't play like expected last year.
 
JianYang said:
Matheson is going to be the same mould as Kulak and Petry, and in terms of effectiveness, he will also be somewhere between Kulak and Petry. I'm just not sure where exactly he will end up lying between them.
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My guess: below 30-32 year old Petry but above 35 year old Petry, and the gap only widens in the following two years..
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
Matheson easily becomes our most mobile defenceman. Hugely underestimated player and a player I had long hoped that we could acquire. This will go down quietly as one of the better trades the team engineered over the recent past. Excellent asset management from a management team that continues to display a level of subtlety not seen here since the Carter administration.
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Why did Pitsburgh trade him then?
 
Golden Serpent said:
Why did Pitsburgh trade him then?
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Because they believed that an even declining Petry gave them a better chance of winning next year than Matheson. To me , it was largely an act tinged with an element of desperation. The Penguins are in a no-man’s land situation with their core players aging rapidly. What were their options? To break up their team and either release or trade their diminishing stars or to double down and try to bolster their stars by acquiring players that can immediately strengthen their team. By resigning Malkin, Letang and acquiring Petry, the choice they made becomes obvious. But with Crosby’s and Malkin’s decline I don’t think that even acquiring Petry at his prime would be enough. Petry, at less than his prime, certainly isn’t. The good ship SS Penguins is about to founder under the weight of numerous large and increasingly unproductive contracts.
 
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Harry Kakalovich said:
I would be happy for Petry to win a Cup in Pittsburgh!
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It's like they don't want to face reality. Malkin is turning 36, Crosby and Petry will be 35, Letang is 35, Jeff Carter 38...
I mean, they're not going to beat younger, faster, better teams. And that is, they need those guys to stay relatively healthy otherwise forget it, it will be first round exit at best again.

I think they're just going to keep Crosby-Malkin-Letang, until they ask out or retire. They'll try to remain competitive but those guys need much better support than they've received.
 
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Kriss E said:
It's like they don't want to face reality. Malkin is turning 36, Crosby and Petry will be 35, Letang is 35, Jeff Carter 38...
I mean, they're not going to beat younger, faster, better teams. And that is, they need those guys to stay relatively healthy otherwise forget it, it will be first round exit at best again.

I think they're just going to keep Crosby-Malkin-Letang, until they ask out or retire. They'll try to remain competitive but those guys need much better support than they've received.
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They're milking the cow as much as possible before she ends up dry for a few years before they draft the next Crosby/Malkin/Lemieux/Jagr.

They need the money above all else.
 
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Kriss E said:
It's like they don't want to face reality. Malkin is turning 36, Crosby and Petry will be 35, Letang is 35, Jeff Carter 38...
I mean, they're not going to beat younger, faster, better teams. And that is, they need those guys to stay relatively healthy otherwise forget it, it will be first round exit at best again.

I think they're just going to keep Crosby-Malkin-Letang, until they ask out or retire. They'll try to remain competitive but those guys need much better support than they've received.
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Pens are reminding me of the early 2010s Red Wings who kept trying to contend with a quickly aging core.
 
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Kriss E said:
It's like they don't want to face reality. Malkin is turning 36, Crosby and Petry will be 35, Letang is 35, Jeff Carter 38...
I mean, they're not going to beat younger, faster, better teams. And that is, they need those guys to stay relatively healthy otherwise forget it, it will be first round exit at best again.

I think they're just going to keep Crosby-Malkin-Letang, until they ask out or retire. They'll try to remain competitive but those guys need much better support than they've received.
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What else can you do? I think when you have players like Crosby and Malkin you want them to retire with your team. Selling guys like Toffoli when you need to rebuild is imo an easy decision. Nobody will remember Toffoli and the trade in 15 years. But when you have a core like the Pens have it's harder to take this decision you want them to retire as a member of your team. I'm still mad at us letting Markov go imagine how mad would i be if it was Crosby ...
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
Because they believed that an even declining Petry gave them a better chance of winning next year than Matheson. To me , it was largely an act tinged with an element of desperation. The Penguins are in a no-man’s land situation with their core players aging rapidly. What were their options? To break up their team and either release or trade their diminishing stars or to double down and try to bolster their stars by acquiring players that can immediately strengthen their team. By resigning Malkin, Letang and acquiring Petry, the choice they made becomes obvious. But with Crosby’s and Malkin’s decline I don’t think that even acquiring Petry at his prime would be enough. Petry, at less than his prime, certainly isn’t. The good ship SS Penguins is about to founder under the weight of numerous large and increasingly unproductive contracts.
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Ok so let’s be clear, the Penguins weren’t happy or confident with Matheson and upgraded to Petry.
 
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