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Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

MrNasty said:
The Pittsburgh writer in the Athletic says Penguins tried for awhile to get Petry. Originally offered Peterson and a bottom 6 forward. Did not want to trade Matheson but ultimately moved Marino and the Matheson to get Petry.

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Pretty much what Hughes said. That the Pens didn't want to move Matheson. But that's what it took to get Petry.
 
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Playmaker09 said:
These are Phil's stats in his D+5, same as Poehling this year:

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Chicago Blackhawks[/TD]
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[TD]30[/TD]
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Rockford IceHogs[/TD]
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Montréal Canadiens[/TD]
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So Matheson is the new Petry AND Poehling is the new Danault??

Nothing is as it seems I guess...
 
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Runner77 said:
There’s a lot to like about Matheson the individual. We just need to see if he can play at last season’s level.
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I made a post earlier in the thread (with the pace this thread moves, it's surely now many, many pages ago) showing that offensively speaking, Matheson's career so far has been more productive than Petry's was when he came over from Edmonton.

When Habs traded for Petry, he was 27 years old and was playing in his 5th NHL season. Up until that trade, Petry was producing at a 0.25 PPG pace. And he only had one 25-point season up to that point. He never hit 20 points again until his second full season in Montreal in 2016-17, when he was 29 years old.

It should be noted that Petry's first full year in Montreal in 2015-16, he missed 31 games to injury and he was on a 25-point pace that season. So he would have hit 20-points sooner.

Now, Habs acquire Matheson, who is 28 years old and just completed his 6th NHL season. So far, Matheson has produced at a 0.33 PPG pace. And he's already had 3 seasons of 20+ points and had 31 pts last year.

He had 27 pts in 2017-18 & in 2018-2019. He had 20 pts in 59 GP in 2019-20 (which was a 28-point pace that year).

Petry, to his credit, was able to reach another level and became a consistent 40+ point player. We don't know if Matheson will be able to reach that level. But what we do know that so far, Matheson has been more productive than Petry was when Habs acquired him in March of 2015.

Defensively speaking, Matheson is not going to wow us. It's the area of his game he needs to improve on the most. But again, when Petry came here, he wasn't the most reliable defensively either. He didn't earn the nickname Putrid only last year.

Also, one of Petry's biggest qualities was always his mobility. Well Matheson is even more mobile than Petry ever was.

All this to say that I agree with you. There are a lot of things to like about Matheson.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
I made a post earlier in the thread (with the pace this thread moves, it's surely now many, many pages ago) showing that offensively speaking, Matheson's career so far has been more productive than Petry's was when he came over from Edmonton.

When Habs traded for Petry, he was 27 years old and was playing in his 5th NHL season. Up until that trade, Petry was producing at a 0.25 PPG pace. And he only had one 25-point season up to that point. He never hit 20 points again until his second full season in Montreal in 2016-17, when he was 29 years old.

It should be noted that Petry's first full year in Montreal in 2015-16, he missed 31 games to injury and he was on a 25-point pace that season. So he would have hit 20-points sooner.

Now, Habs acquire Matheson, who is 28 years old and just completed his 6th NHL season. So far, Matheson has produced at a 0.33 PPG pace. And he's already had 3 seasons of 20+ points and had 31 pts last year.

He had 27 pts in 2017-18 & in 2018-2019. He had 20 pts in 59 GP in 2019-20 (which was a 28-point pace that year).

Petry, to his credit, was able to reach another level and became a consistent 40+ point player. We don't know if Matheson will be able to reach that level. But what we do know that so far, Matheson has been more productive than Petry was when Habs acquired him in March of 2015.

Defensively speaking, Matheson is not going to wow us. It's the area of his game he needs to improve on the most. But again, when Petry came here, he wasn't the most reliable defensively either. He didn't earn the nickname Putrid only last year.

Also, one of Petry's biggest qualities was always his mobility. Well Matheson is even more mobile than Petry ever was.

All this to say that I agree with you. There are a lot of things to like about Matheson.
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Hughes said when he was hired that it is a buy low sell high business.

He's certainly trying to find players that are on an upward trajectory in Dach and Matheson.
 
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26Mats said:
Hughes said when he was hired that it is a buy low sell high business.

He's certainly trying to find players that are on an upward trajectory in Dach and Matheson.
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So far, Hughes has been on fire A+

Not sure all of his trades for Kids will pan out but it’s clear he has a plan and is not shy about executing it.
 
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Playmaker09 said:
These are Phil's stats in his D+5, same as Poehling this year:

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[TD]GP[/TD]
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Chicago Blackhawks[/TD]
[TD]NHL[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
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Rockford IceHogs[/TD]
[TD]AHL[/TD]
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Montréal Canadiens[/TD]
[TD]NHL[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
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While there may be similarities in terms of production in their D+5 seasons, what Danault got here was the opportunity to play up the line-up. Credit to him for elevating his game, but he was on a line with Pacioretty and Radulov for a good portion of the 2016-17 season (his first full season in Montreal).

He then formed a line with Tatar and Gallagher (when Gally was putting up 30-goal seasons). So it was right place, right time for Danault.

Poehling is going to a team that has even less room than the Habs do. At center, Pens have Crosby, Malkin & Carter. So if Poehling is a C, he'll be a 4C like he was in Montreal.

And if he's moved to the wing, he will be on the 4th line again. Because Pens have Guentzel, Rakell, Zucker, Rust, and Kapanen on their wings.

Of course, injuries occur and that could be an opening for Poehling to play up the line-up. And he could seize that opportunity. I hope he does because he didn't in Montreal.
 
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We lost in this trade. Got something back but had to give away Poehling to accomodate Petry and move big long term contract on aging player
 
Scorey Perry said:
We lost in this trade. Got something back but had to give away Poehling to accomodate Petry and move big long term contract on aging player
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So by your own words, we did not lose in the trade. The error was extending Petry, or extending him too long, or extending him too high.

We no longer have what you believe is a big long-term contract on an aging player. Over the next three years, Matheson should provide more than the aging Petry would have and even if it is the same on the ice, Matheson is cheaper. In his fourth year with us, he will be only 31, whereas Petry will be turning 37 during his third year with the Pens.

Poehling is a replacement level player. For what he brings on the ice, it is not hard to find others with similar cap hits. In terms of compete level, he is not special either, which led to a disappointingly high number of goals against while he was on the ice, considering he rarely played against top offensive opponents nor had even a fair share of total minutes. Did not get noticeably better under MSL, and basically Evans took his spot.
 
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Scorey Perry said:
We lost in this trade. Got something back but had to give away Poehling to accomodate Petry and move big long term contract on aging player
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What is Ryan Poehling? Is he a budding top6 player or is he a bust circling the drain?
 
CleverContrarian said:
Well spotted 👍 Thanks for point it out.

I get the sense though that even back then Danault was a more well rounded player.
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Danault got to where he is today with hard work in the GYM and and on the ice. It's undetermined if Poehling puts the same amount of work in. I have my doubts on that cause there was opportunity for him last year with MSL and he seems to have stalled. This is deeper than skill and ability. I think it's about will power and obsession to improve.

I think Poehling turns out well but his value is age 25-30 years. He has a bit of a rollercoaster ride to go through yet. Likely feels he was miss managed by the Habs by not being placed in a higher role but you got to earn it. Sounds like Drouin entitlement type thinking to me without putting the work in to get there.
 
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ExpatHabs said:
What is Ryan Poehling? Is he a budding top6 player or is he a bust circling the drain?
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He's middle 6 asset at best but only after the maturity years. I can see him having a few good seasons in the age 25-30 range and maybe into his early 30's.

He's not Lehkonen but look at his game over the last two season. Sakic picked up Lehkonen at the right time and Lehkonen is going to have a very good back end prime IMO.

Poehling is 23 and I expect a few more seasons of maturity before we know who he really is. Pens expecting him to nail down a bottom 2C role but he's not mature enough to carry a line in that role.

BaseballCoach said:
Whether Pitlick or another player is the direct beneficiary of the move, Poehling was occupying a waiver-eligible spot without having any impact.
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Agreed. Poehling had loads of opportunity to shine with MSL and the injuries we had last year too. I personally think he is lazy and doesn't train hard enough. His will power to improve is low
 
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Habs Halifax said:
He's middle 6 asset at best but only after the maturity years. I can see him having a few good seasons in the age 25-30 range and maybe into his early 30's.

He's not Lehkonen but look at his game over the last two season. Sakic picked up Lehkonen at the right time and Lehkonen is going to have a very good back end prime IMO.

Poehling is 23 and I expect a few more seasons of maturity before we know who he really is. Pens expecting him to nail down a bottom 2C role but he's not mature enough to carry a line in that role.



Agreed. Poehling had loads of opportunity to shine with MSL and the injuries we had last year too. I personally think he is lazy and doesn't train hard enough. His will power to improve is low
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He was not making this roster, we would've lost him on waivers anyway.

We have Dadonov, Hoffman, Drouin, and Pitlick as LW and Suzuki, Dvorak, Dach, and Evans down the middle.

And on top of that, we got Slafkovsky who's gonna try to earn a spot on the LW.
 
Belial said:
He was not making this roster, we would've lost him on waivers anyway.

We have Dadonov, Hoffman, Drouin, and Pitlick as LW and Suzuki, Dvorak, Dach, and Evans down the middle.

And on top of that, we got Slafkovsky who's gonna try to earn a spot on the LW.
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Not sure about that but probably right. The one area I am concerned about is the depth after Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak, and Evans. Who's the call up to play center if we get an injury? Or do we play Pitlick at center? Who else? Hoffman?

Poehling was the 5th center.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Not sure about that but probably right. The one area I am concerned about is the depth after Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak, and Evans. Who's the call up to play center if we get an injury? Or do we play Pitlick at center? Who else? Hoffman?

Poehling was the 5th center.
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Agreed but 5th centers are not hard to find. Pitlick and Hoffman have both played center, as has Byron (now injured). We also just signed two depth guys for Laval, one of whom played 27 games for Detroit last year and did nothing offensively but at least was only -8 compared to Ryan's -21 in double the games. In other words, this is all zero impact stuff.
 
BaseballCoach said:
Agreed but 5th centers are not hard to find. Pitlick and hoffman have both played center, as has Byron (now injured). We also just signed two depth guys for Laval, one of whom played 27 games for Detroit last year and did nothing offensively but at least was only -8 compared to Ryan's -21 in double the games. In other words, this is all zero impact stuff.
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I do agree we have options but zero impact stuff? That's stretching it. Personally, I rather have someone better than Pitlick, Hoffman, or Byron to play center but it's rebuild years so I'm content with it for now.

The depth guys singed in Laval was to help Laval. We got to be careful to not gut Laval's progress too!
 
Habs Halifax said:
I do agree we have options but zero impact stuff? That's stretching it. Personally, I rather have someone better than Pitlick, Hoffman, or Byron to play center but it's rebuild years so I'm content with it for now.

The depth guys singed in Laval was to help Laval. We got to be careful to not gut Laval's progress too!
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When we are contenders and need a vet C for a playoff push, options will be thrown at us left and right.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Not sure about that but probably right. The one area I am concerned about is the depth after Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak, and Evans. Who's the call up to play center if we get an injury? Or do we play Pitlick at center? Who else? Hoffman?

Poehling was the 5th center.
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They'll call up Stephens.
 
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Not a bad trade for Montreal considering the circumstances. To me Poehling didn't eat hockey sort of speak and well, Petry wanted out. MM is not ideal in some way but let's hope he grows his game like Petry did.
 
Belial said:
They'll call up Stephens.
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I'm aware of Stepens but I think they prefer to keep Laval strong.

Scorey Perry said:
We lost in this trade. Got something back but had to give away Poehling to accomodate Petry and move big long term contract on aging player
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Depends on what Petry and Poehling do with the Pens and how Matheson does with the Habs. 4th rounder hit? meh, we will see.

I was expecting more yes but the circumstances of the available cap space in the NHL has become worse.
 
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